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Post by rekkd on Aug 14, 2017 7:05:17 GMT
Why should we succeed in this test? What is the benefit of becoming an Angel or a separate mind within God? What next? How is that of any benefit for me/us?
I've been thinking about it and I don't see it as motivating or appealing to be honest. Actually I find the heaven described in Sunni Islam to be way better in so many ways.
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Post by cerulean on Aug 14, 2017 8:29:43 GMT
I don't think that you're looking at it from the right angle. If you don't know your true self and don't follow the Consciousness, there is no reason to look for a motivation.
Becoming an angel is not a prize. The test is simple, those who realize their true self and through that realization make their way out of that material world, they will be welcomed to the kingdom of God. The everlasting. Those who don't will remain in the material world.
as Immanuel keeps quoting Jesus, to 'separate the spirit from the flesh', that's the starter of realization. That's when you know who you really are and who you aren't. And you then try to follow who you really are. There is no motivation involved.
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 14, 2017 11:30:10 GMT
Why should we succeed in this test? What is the benefit of becoming an Angel or a separate mind within God? What next? How is that of any benefit for me/us? I've been thinking about it and I don't see it as motivating or appealing to be honest. Actually I find the heaven described in Sunni Islam to be way better in so many ways. You are already in the "Heaven" according to Sunni Islam, but people run amok in there since they are not grateful and seek the desires of their body just as is experienced in Sunni Heaven. If you do not wish to become something better and is satisfied with your Heaven this choice is entirely up to you. Your Heaven is virtually eternal. Do not you understand what you become when you have become an angel after all that has been written by me? Angel in Arabic is Maleika and it means one is in control, like a king rules over a realm. It is an Ethereal reality beyond time and space. You would dictate the future if you reach this mental consciousness, and you will run the universe in the God symbiosis. The Sunni Heaven is an illusion and where you are now is Jannah which is based upon the root Jinnan. You can have that paradise here if you perform well, but there is free will and some people are ungrateful and ruin your and others stay. Ascending persons will gradually gain (to people) "supernatural" powers and the first sign is being able to "affect the time line" through their willpower alone. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 14, 2017 11:48:40 GMT
Just as Cerulean says, becoming angel is not really a reward but it is a condition you realize yourself. If you choose to stay at the bottom you will remain at the bottom, no one is going to develop your mind like a child who has been fed with a silver spoon from birth. There is no "if you choose to believe in a god you will be guided", no the development of your intelligence as a being, sentient being is your own venture.
The world around you is adding stimulus to shape you, but it is also a challenging one because it adds friction. You have to find ways of overcoming the friction and keep moving.
Acknowledging that the drive towards;
1. Hierarchy 2. Materialism 3. Vanity 4. Absorption/Obsession 5. Self-preservation of own kin 6. Domination 7. Promiscuity 8. Greed 9. Exaggeration of truth 10. Jealousy
; is spiritually detrimental is of utmost importance to be able to grow as a soul. It is actually the most important thing to know. The above belongs to the Ten Commandments of Moses and the above is a background elaboration to them. Basically, you should avoid what the body you are in desires on its primitive level.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by rekkd on Aug 14, 2017 15:40:01 GMT
I did not say I prefer this life. Actually I hate it! I am well off compared to most people I know, and I look better than majority of men. I have advantages most people don't but at the end of the day it all seems meaningless.
Going through hardships and chasing meaningless desires.. Is not what I want. I know that I will never be happy in this world/life.
I find not existing to be a much better option.
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 14, 2017 17:57:46 GMT
It sounds though as if you are depressed. That is a stage of development to get past. Personally I like existing, I would not like not to be and I am relatively pleased with my current progress and currently I can sense the increasing universal control coming to me. This is because I acknowledged what I am proposing on this forum and elsewhere and I am paying attention to what causes a person to pursue the traps of the Ten Commandments. Each Commandment as listed is only the extremity, anything which leads unto each path, even lightly, is a mistake.
Contrary to common preconception, abstention from bodily pleasures eventually actually increases life happiness. Of course the world is a tragic miserable place, but with insight you will rejoice in your very progress and it makes you happy despite all worldly adversity. This will make you stable and endure your time.
My ascension has made me superior in many ways, especially mentally. I have certain congestion on my mind, but that is a private matter although this matter will be solved eventually and I am just waiting for the time.
Well, do not go chasing after meaningless desires and just be. Train on your skill of control.
Also you may make yourself unnecessarily worried, but you must have confidence. Quran repeatedly says "(have) Amin!", this is essential for you. Gain confidence, you cannot wander in doubt whether the teacher is right or not forever but be determined to find out and then firmly follow (the meaning of Aqum Al-Salateh). Be firm (in) the following and be (in) pursuit (of) the salvation = Aqum Al-Salateh wa Atoo Al-Zakateh, when translating it quite literally and properly. Choose a path and hold on to it steadfastly.
And remember that I have also been where you are, slightly confused and not feeling I have a place anywhere. You have to realize your alternative reality and that there are two sides of the same coin, simultaneously, I think the same world.
I have taught it several times, but you currently consist of two parts occurring to you as one; body and soul, and your body is not the same as your soul and the soul is not the same as your body. Your soul is beyond the bodily and "the you" is not the body, even if the soul is currently attached to that very body as that you are in control of it like a robot. Sadly, the machine tends to be difficult to control. Considering your body like a robot you are in control of makes it easier to understand who you are.
When you think, it is not an animal (the body) thinking, but the influential impulses (instincts) are affecting your thinking. An animal cannot think and this is something you can. Anyone who argues an ape/monkey can think, think of the wrong aspect of real thinking. It is your consciousness which makes you into who you are and: Consciousness = soul and what makes a person. No animal can be a person, but you can and the more a person the better and then it takes being above the bodily which makes you a mere predictable beast.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by cerulean on Aug 15, 2017 20:46:14 GMT
yes, don't hate life. Maybe you're just insatisfied with your current state, but people improve if they want. This is my mindset: Wake up, it's a brand new day, you have time in your hand, and you have energy, and you have an able body. Follow your purpose and while doing so be on the lookout for the tests that you will face. Seek to overcome them. things will happen and life will happen and you don't have to hate nor love your life, you just live it.
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Post by abdunnur on Aug 16, 2017 6:10:43 GMT
Well aside from the false perceptions expressed in this thread of a god, angels and heaven, the reason the majority exist is various states of misery is purely due to the environment that is collectively imposed, the qur'an was not originally a book of religious drivel, but a guide to anarchic community, these anarchic models no longer exist therefore Islam is no longer practiced. Even the fragments of the original message that can be scrapped from the confusions that form the translations of the qur'an presently, still point to establishing the correct environment of community as the foundation of life, no sovereigns (hierarchy) no riba (usury), just these two simple concepts which are completely ignored would alone transform the earth.
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 16, 2017 17:23:53 GMT
If you say we have false perceptions you do not know what is being said on this forum, what we perceive as "God", angels and "Heaven".
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Post by abdunnur on Aug 16, 2017 18:11:22 GMT
You use terms with defined meanings, a god is an entity for worship and adoration, an angel is an attendant of the god, heaven is the "kingdom" so fuedal dominion of the god.
You have differing views of the common understood meaning of these terms?
I notice the important points of my comment are completely ignored for the trivial.
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Post by seeker on Sept 2, 2017 11:02:56 GMT
Hi Rekkd
I wish to offer my own answer or interpretation to your question - Why become an Angel or part of the Angelic Assembly? Well in my faith tradition we see this life as an opportunity to transcend the corporeal life and begin our return to God. We start this journey back to God because we do not wish to suffer anymore - it is our own suffering, and our wish to escape therefrom, that intiates our journey and it is the desire to relieve the suffering of others that enables us to continue. We have come to this world to work, and we have an innate purpose. Finding this purpose, which is to reunite with God while still in the world, and our unique calling is the goal. So in short, the reward is except finding your true self and helping the world and others in the process. While it might not seem like much at the outset the process brings a sense of peace to your life, a happiness that all other pursuits have failed to provide.
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 2, 2017 11:42:40 GMT
Good explanation, seeker. You have found virtually the identical path or reason for existence as I have and I have had help by paranormal/supernatural writings of old written in an archaic language. Well done with your mind, it shows ascension.
(and I have experienced paranormal events including communiques with the supernatural too)
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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