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Post by abdunnur on Aug 16, 2017 6:20:13 GMT
Faith is an emotional belief without evidence, reason or any need of perceptual support, it is simply a baseless emotional belief held, especially if religiously, as if it has some value. Faith is defended using emotional dissonance, when emotional investment is rendered worthless upon the realisation of a truth that conflicts with a firmly held emotional belief; those with dissonance will maintain the emotional investment of the lie, their mind will invalidate all evidence and reason, simply to maintain that false belief. Would it be possible they could be persuaded to grow past their faiths with reason so easily; then no God would ever have risen to worship. Minds so conditioned to inherited beliefs, conform to coercions demands, self-imposed through bind acceptance; what’s even worse, lies once socially entrenched, are often maintained through the fear of violence, coercion or extortion.
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 16, 2017 19:13:59 GMT
Faith as a coin has two sides if speaking about linguistics. Faith may imply belief in something and this is true regarding your observation. But, faith can also imply confidence in something, e.g. you can say "have faith" to tell someone that they should be patient and have confidence.
I have deliberately chosen to favor "confidence" instead of faith for my translation and interpretation project of Quran for the reason you just highlighted though, that faith may have a negative connotation to people, just as "belief" may have.
On the other hand, I am not as sterile concerning my stance on the words belief and faith as I used to be, although I used to call myself 'Man of Faith' on the Free-minds.org forum. More knowledgeable and wise I may have become in the roughly five years I have had an account there however, so I may have used a different nickname today if I registered. Yet Man of Faith is not a mismatch, it suggests that I am with confidence (or amen) and this was my original thought when choosing it. It was an attempt at a loose translation of the Semitic root word Amen and my name Amenuel. Amen has more to do with integrity and security of the soul though.
The antonym to faith is insecurity and who wishes to be insecure? Of course one wishes to have faith in something which brings a sense of security, but true is that false security is not good security. This is when I strongly propagate that each person must employ heavy logic in everything they consider and not just faith because it feels good. The emotions may play a trick on your mind.
If something does not to add up logically it is not worth believing in and it is important to trust one's own intelligence. Logic, wisdom and confidence must all be part of your reasoning.
Many people reject science in favor of mere religious doctrines despite that the science may be proven empirically and thus highly difficult to refute. People even refuse to believe in empty space above us, all to fit their religious book into their perception of the world. They know satellites "miraculously" float around the globe for many decades and yet deny something holds the satellites without falling to the ground or they deny satellites and claim they are just trickery to fool people by the governments. All to fit their flimsy religious doctrine into their world perception despite the logic of a sound person would not deny that there indeed are objects orbiting the planet which can be seen using a decent amateur telescope.
I propagate that one should heavily embrace all science which make sense and instead try to make sense of their belief in a higher state of existence based on that science. For example, observation of the space above has revealed that space is expanding, this is empirical science and cannot be refuted except by a fool in delusion. Logic says, something which has begun to expand once must also have started from nothingness if looking linearly. So time and space is a creation. Scientific experiments have also shown everything is relative, thanks to Albert Einstein and much of that is testable, so it would be difficult to refute.
The universe is fundamentally built by atoms except the empty space and splitting an atom does what? It releases energy. What can we then conclude? The atoms are a source of energy. What they then are is a real phenomenon. One thing is for certain, they are energetically charged. One could say the universe is shaped by energy, seemingly stemming from nowhere, they are our "Integrity For Foundation" or Nuur and if you cause friction and thus heat an object will ignite and burn (Naar). Naar is a result of a condition of the Nuur when charged. This phenomenon will cause an object to self-disintegrate as long as there is material and a reactivate substance, e.g. air, the same substance which sustains life can also destroy it if the heat goes up sufficiently. It is about heat actually. Heat is how we experience the energy and this is what the root Nuur fundamentally refers to. The Nuur is what sustains us and our surroundings while we cannot see it directly except through animated objects which are actually just a pile of atoms forming molecules and which surface illusively makes us render physical objects having surfaces with our eyes, and which force and density may prevent us from passing through them. Your world is actually just an illusion because your eyes are designed to construct the world around them the way they do. If your eyes had been different it would look much differently and you could even see the world based on heat (like insects).
This is not faith/belief but thinking based on facts. We can confirm it.
So, the "faith" propagated on this forum is bound quite much to the above scientific evidence. The inferences are based on logic when it comes to mind and body, and with enough contemplation it is possible to see this is the only feasible explanation of our existence. I have not exactly conjectured when I delve into saying the mind is unaffected as long as stimuli is not offered to it, i.e. feelings or emotions. This is where one has to think really carefully about themselves and their own being. Are you the body in which you are or can you control it beyond its wishes? It is semi-answered if you answer you can control it beyond its wishes while e.g. the body is very interested in a certain hormone rush you may discover yourself to be in a hard-to-control mood swing and have trouble understanding why you are so low. By that you have already answered that you are not the body and the body became depressed because you did not give it its treats.
The question is whether it actually is faith to believe in a distinct soul / self apart from your body. I would say you can through reasoning logically prove no other explanation/hypothesis is possible which is more probable. So despite not testable through conventional means, you can put up theories which can point towards less probable or more probable. Probability is a wonderful tool in reasoning and it complements logic very well.
It is equally improbable that a whole universe would be created linearly without any underlying intelligence beforehand, so disbelief in a "higher realm" is an illogical assumption. It is more logical to assume that the universe itself has an innate intelligence which guides evolution. So "atheists" or "disbelievers in the supernatural" are actually thinking irrationally.
I find it nearly stupid to think a massive amount of atoms bombarded the universe and then did the atoms form life in the shape of cells "just because". It is like saying something which has not even life forms out of barren rock and eventually becomes an animal. The cells cannot guide themselves into what they should become without a drive to become something, a model or so. So bearing that in mind, it is not faith or belief to acknowledge there is something supernatural to our existence and more than what the eyes can see. If someone calls me religious, superstitious or unsound in reasoning, it is they who are delusional and have problems.
Perhaps it is not particularly modest to say you KNOW there is a kind of "God" force, whatever now "God" is as a phenomenon, but it is very intellectual and standing by your own confidence firmly. In ways one should ditch that kind of modesty if it means being dishonest intellectually.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by abdunnur on Aug 16, 2017 19:56:12 GMT
Faith is belief that is not based on proof, it is purely a belief with no foundation at all, religions use faith as their basis to exist as every religion requires a strong or unshakeable belief in something, without any proof or evidence.
Reason is the mental power concerned with forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences based upon the examination of evidence, this is a skill that must be mastered, without the study and mastery of the skill of reasoning then logical fallacies will dominate, reasoned conclusions will be replaced with the "faith" of the lazy and ignorant.
Presently mainstream science is corrupted and that corruption is ever increasing, it began with the Ashkenazi Jew Einstein and his nonsensical or plagiarized concepts, designed to stagnate physics, this was imposed by the bankers on the universities and so mainstream physics has not progressed since the 1930's.
Consciousness is the foundation of all reality.
The antonym to faith is disbelief, and disbelief in something that is not based on proof, but purely a belief with no foundation at all, is good, you should not believe in anything with no proof or foundation.
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 16, 2017 22:03:34 GMT
Once again I have to bring forth the dictionary to help us:
faith S3 W2 / feɪθ / noun
1 trust/confidence in somebody/something [ uncountable ] a strong feeling of trust or confidence in someone or something have faith (in somebody/something) I still have faith in him. ‘Have faith, Alexandra,’ he said. lose faith (in somebody/something) The public has lost faith in the government. destroy/restore sb’s faith (in somebody/something) It’s really helped restore my faith in human nature. 2 religion a) [ uncountable ] belief and trust in God : deep religious faith faith in my faith in God b) [ countable ] one of the main religions in the world : People from all faiths are welcome. the Jewish/Muslim/Hindu etc faith members of the Jewish faith 3 break faith with somebody/something to stop supporting or believing in a person, organization, or idea : How could he tell them the truth without breaking faith with the Party? 4 keep faith with somebody/something to continue to support or believe in a person, organization, or idea 5 good faith honest and sincere intentions : He proposed a second meeting as a sign of his good faith. The woman who sold me the car claimed she had acted in good faith (= had not meant to deceive me ) . 6 bad faith intentions that are not honest or sincere 7 an act of faith something you do that shows you trust someone completely : Allowing Ken to be in charge of the project was a total act of faith.
COLLOCATIONS
verbs have faith The public no longer has faith in the government’s policies. have every faith in somebody/something (= trust them completely ) We have every faith in your ability to solve the problem. put/place your faith in somebody/something The Conservative party put its faith in the free market. show faith in somebody/something The club have shown faith in the young goalkeeper by offering him a permanent contract. lose faith Local people have lost faith in the police. destroy sb’s faith in somebody/something Terry’s lies had destroyed Liz’s faith in men. restore sb’s faith in somebody/something (= make sb’s faith return ) His kindness had restored her faith in human nature.
adjectives great faith He had great faith in his team. enormous faith Ford placed enormous faith in the new model. complete faith The owners have complete faith in Sam as manager. blind faith (= trusting someone without thinking ) He believes that our blind faith in technology is misplaced.
So is it now impossible for you to understand "faith" as a word is not inappropriate? Believing is weaker and more towards guessing something is correct, out of a linguistic perspective. Religion is listed as secondary concerning "faith". Etymologically the word appears to stem from latin and mean trust.
Faith can refer to a person's belief in God, but this belief is not the primary connotation but having confidence/trust is. However:
be‧lieve S1 W1 / bəliv, bɪliv / verb
1 [ transitive not in progressive ] to be sure that something is true or that someone is telling the truth :
You shouldn’t believe everything you read.
I believed him, even though his story sounded unlikely.
believe (that)
I don’t believe he’s only 25.
I don’t believe a word of it (= I think it is completely untrue ) .
2 [ transitive not in progressive ] to think that something is true or possible, although you are not completely sure
believe (that)
Detectives believe that the victim knew his killer.
it is believed (that)
It is believed that the house was built in 1735.
believe so (= think that something is true )
‘Have they arrived yet?’ ‘Yes, I believe so.’
be believed to be something
At 115, Mrs Jackson is believed to be the oldest person in the country.
The four men are widely believed (= believed by a lot of people ) to have been killed by their captors.
Did you honestly believe that I’d be stupid enough to do that?
I firmly believe that the business will be a success.
3 it’s difficult/hard to believe (that) used when you are surprised that something is true :
Sometimes, it’s hard to believe we’ve been married for 50 years. SPOKEN PHRASES
4 can’t/don’t believe something used when you are very surprised or shocked by something :
I can’t believe he’s expecting us to work on Sunday!
I couldn’t believe it when he told me what had happened.
can hardly/scarcely believe something
I could scarcely believe my luck.
5 believe it or not used when you are saying something that is true but surprising :
He enjoys school, believe it or not.
6 would you believe it! ( also I don’t believe it! ) used when you are surprised or angry about something :
And then he just walked out. Would you believe it!
7 believe (you) me used to emphasize that something is definitely true :
There’ll be trouble when they find out about this, believe you me!
8 you’d better believe it! used to emphasize that something is true
9 don’t you believe it! used to emphasize that something is definitely not true
10 can’t believe your eyes/ears used to say that someone is very surprised by something they see or hear
11 if you believe that, you’ll believe anything used to say that something is definitely not true, and that anyone who believes it must be stupid
12 seeing is believing ( also I’ll believe it when I see it ) used to say that you will only believe that something happens or exists when you actually see it
13 [ intransitive ] to have a religious faith :
Believing is worse than having faith per definition, it gives a sense of uncertainty.
Anyways, I understand that what you are trying to say. I agree that believing in something blindly, something which is inconsistent with logic and just does not make sense to sound reasoning, is madness. You can have faith (confidence) in something erroneous too.
I have nothing direct to object against. But it should be pointed out that the mental awareness/strength (the consciousness) grows stronger by avoiding the most primitive of ventures in life (the instinct) and exercising the mind as you already pointed out.
Yet no one has managed to disprove Einstein, but many people have managed to use his relativity theory in their research and development. You cannot say physics has not progressed since the 1930's and today they are into quantum physics. "Plagiarized", if you mean he used current research and continued on a thread of that to himself make sense of physics is "plagiarizing" I support it anyway. The physics of the universe is a complex subject and I understand it is difficult to progress, but advancements cause a great leap forward technologically. I agree Einstein is overshadowing many other great thinkers though and is the stereotype for a genius. Many people refer to Einstein comically though because of a funny German accent and crazy hair.
When you speak like this I sense an emotional irrationality due to Arab descent and cultural inheritance. You are so inborn with your obsession about despising Jews, someone must merely be related to Jews in order for you to intentionally reject anything no matter what.
Anyways, that you say physics has not progressed since the 1930's does not seem logically consistent. They are however dealing with the most advanced level of our universe and close to the secret behind it, so if research is not fast could be the complexity of the subject.
That is not an argument which conveys anything useful. You will have to write something substantial and specify what you wish to convey.
In the case of the "consciousness" we have been discussing here, I am referring to our experience of the universe around us irrespective of the dimension. Then beyond our personal consciousness there is a collective called 'Those Who Are Being' and those are in plural, i.e. it is several identities in one (high) community, but that stage of existence is the next step and not relevant to our discussion here even if it may be interesting. But you are in a body. And your perception of the world that is you who behold the world and no one else. You are you, I am I.
Correct.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 1, 2017 8:54:41 GMT
The OP of this thread is essentially being correct, religious belief without a logically consistent foundation is only delving into something being emotionally, sensory, instinctively satisfactory.
However, the person is too obsessed with the conviction of resistance towards religion that he is unable to distinguish between people who adhere to logic and who adhere to mere belief.
I move this thread to the Random Rant (Off-Topic) section because it lacks substance on the aim of the thread.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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