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Post by yes on Mar 5, 2018 14:12:56 GMT
So from what I gather is that there was a South Arabian writing system, which was different from Quranic Arabic. South Arabia had languages used from ~1000BC-600AD in regions like Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Languages like the Sabaean language was native to Saudi Arabia where it became 'extinct' in the 6th century. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_South_Arabian_scriptInterestingly, when it became extinct is when they found the Quran. So from your picture Amenuel, the language used in the Quran was not native to Mecca in the 6th century AD, and may have actually been a language used in the North Arabian region.
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Post by yes on Mar 5, 2018 14:25:10 GMT
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Post by Immanuel on Mar 5, 2018 16:35:44 GMT
Good idea for a thread.
I have been thinking quite much about the origin of Quranic Arabic and why it suddenly became implemented and that first in the northern part of Arabia. That the South Arabians did change to the Quranic scripting language in the 6th century is obviously suspicious, and South Arabic was quickly extinct and few people are able to decipher it today and it seems they are not always certain about it.
What is noteworthy is that it seems to deviate quite a bit from Quranic Arabic to the point they do not appear to be the same language.
The Nabeteans used Aramaic as their language up until a point in history, then suddenly they rapidly began to adopt Arabic through what is more similar to Quranic Arabic than South Arabic. Scholars argue that it was the Nabeteans who developed the script Quran uses.
Worth paying attention to is that scripting languages are not something which comes from a society which is not interested in academic studies and so generally it is only empires from back in history who make it so that languages are developed. The desert Arabs were not sufficiently educated and academic, which is usually following how wealthy a society is and since they used the South Arabic it is unlikely they developed the "Modern Arabic" script (or Quranic), if it even was naturally developed which I doubt.
It goes without saying that Quran was not written in Mecca and Medina because they did not use the scripting language and only gradually replaced it for it, and by the 7th century it was the prime language while South Arabic had become archaic.
South Arabic reminds me of a development from hieroglyphs and it seems to originate from Egypt.
A reason to change to the Quranic script would be easy to see, Arabic looks more eloquent and esthetically appealing, and it is easier to read fast because of very distinct designs for each letter. Whoever designed the Arabic used in Quran reflected much upon design.
Have you ever reflected upon the design of Arabic letters?
How they look somehow reflects how they are pronounced with the tongue.
ل look at the shape, it seems like the tongue is positioned while pronouncing it.
م mmmm
س friction against the palate, ش is similar but more intensive
ن ت ث, each dot marks same position but different intonation
د which means give looks exactly the opposite of ع which means gain, for Ayn it seems like you bring the tongue inwards, it is a glottal sound, the Dal seems more offensive.
Etc.
The design of each letter is easy to learn and they have names.
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Post by question2 on Aug 29, 2020 1:52:35 GMT
Hi Immanuel, you had the Testament (Quran) that you were working on google drive, and it is now in the bin, do you have an updated one that you're working on somewhere. Also do you have a grammar book available which has an explanation of the roots etc. thanks
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 13, 2020 7:33:11 GMT
Hi Immanuel, you had the Testament (Quran) that you were working on google drive, and it is now in the bin, do you have an updated one that you're working on somewhere. Also do you have a grammar book available which has an explanation of the roots etc. thanks Someone or a bug has moved it to the Bin. I have moved it back from there.
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