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Post by rekkd on Mar 17, 2018 1:19:43 GMT
Hi Immanuel,
I know I’ve asked this question several times but still need some help understanding more.
lately I’ve gone hardcore seeking to satisfy my worldy desires. I’ve become obsessed with money and women, I think about them day and night. I quit meditation and haven’t been thinking much about our purpose or trying to be in control of myself.
I feel horrible, depressed, lost. I feel like there’s a fog over my mind where I can’t really think clearly anymore.
Honestly life is hard.
I decided I want to give it another try. I just need some answers.
When we become Angels, what will be our purpose? What will we be doing? What is the spirit of Jesus doing now? If we have no desires similar to the physical world then why should we exist? When we sleep, why are we not conscious? Does that mean when we die, we are not conscious?
Why does this Rabb want us to develop. Everything is created for a reason, what is the reason then? Why does Rabb want to expand? Does Rabb have a mind? A personality? How does it work?
Thank you.
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Post by Immanuel on Mar 17, 2018 10:28:23 GMT
Why do you do that? It appears that you have not understood what is a deception?
Once you have reached a mental perfection you step unto another challenge and control entire worlds, but you are not corporeal and exist as pure force. Your role is being leader and in control over the course of existence.
The reason why you are not externally conscious while you sleep is because your window towards the world is closed as the animal is in hibernation. It is occasionally dreaming and then you may appear conscious in those to various degrees. You are in 'attachment to the bodily' (Jehenom) and therefore you experience the world from the perspective of this creature.
"Rabb" means to develop and it is the sole purpose of why to exist. You want to develop, but you are to materialistic so you only think in those terms and seek development in that which is futile. This is something that you confessed yourself, but you are tainted by the instinct so you think development means material gains. You were talking about becoming successful, but what you do is not leading towards success.
I have told you what success is and that is understanding what Being is and aiming for what is better. Everything is about the mind and you can let go of material obsession right away if you heed my advice. Think in abstract terms and focus on everything of which makes you develop/evolve and avoid that which does not. Instinctive pleasure and stimuli do have clear adverse effects on the mental maturity and these pull in the wrong direction. The mind has difficulties growing while the force of it is not used, it is like a bodybuilder who is lazy lying on a couch instead of exercising his muscles. If you are not using your mind, it does not grow in Being, it is as simple as that. What develops is the offered resistance to stimuli, so if the body pulls toward something and you mentally aggressively repel its driving/force, then this makes your mind stronger. This means, the only way to master this challenge is active resistance to the bodily and any other method is delusional and ignorant.
And you know I have told multiple times, even many times that the remedy is:
1. Be devoted to Being/being existent 2. Be not submitted to images/stereotypes 3. Do not take the word of Being in vain 4. Maintain contemplating (Sabbath) 5. Consider your neighbor like yourself (and also your enemy as per the elaboration of Eysua) 6. Do not dominate/seek to win 7. Do not greed 8. Do not commit redundant sex (and do not even look upon a woman with desire as per elaboration by Eysua) 9. Do not incorrectly represent the truth 10. Do not covet your neighbor's ... things/conditions (e.g. his brand/model of car or smartphone, his job career, his partner's beauty and any other instinctive desire)
That is what makes you develop and get to the maturity expected of you and if you sneer at this as extremism you do not understand the importance and why. The body offers you resistance which is not from you, it is autonomous and if you do not respond by rejection then you accept this condition and subjection and your mind which is something else does never grow because you accept to be the beast. Essentially this is failure and you are not interesting to the supernatural Elahem who expect new life.
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Post by cerulean on Mar 18, 2018 12:41:30 GMT
no matter how many times you get told something or how many books you read, it doesn't really effectively benefit you unless you think about it yourself and formulate it in your own manner.
You have to build your own principles, build them with honest thoughts free of sense- perceptions and bias.
Contemplate your thoughts, and the consequence they have on your actions.
Women, for example, any male craves them. Think about them differently, try to view them beyond the view of your eye. Think about why they are here (same reason you are here) and think about all the life they lived, and all the pain they've been through and all the sacrifices made by their families to raise them. And all that life offered to raise this woman. And for that, you have to refuse to reduce them to something you can simply use to get pleasure from, because they are worth more than that although many of them do not realize it.
Ambition, think about all those who had ambitions, just like you, and are gone now. Think about those luxurious castles that are now empty, or even in ruins. Think about what really matters. do you prefer to live by your own principles, or do you prefer to live enslaved by the idea of a goal that everyone has ?
Jehennom, to mean 'attachment to the body' is a pretty accurate one. The more you follow it, the more you dig yourself deeper, and the more you do not follow it, the more it loosen up it holds on you. But the impulses will still be there. Human instincts will still kick in every now and then.
And if you mistake, or sin, forgive yourself. Start over as soon as possible. Don't let guilt hinder you from trying again. Last thing you want to do is to live the present based on past actions. Forget it and move on.
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Post by maveli on Mar 18, 2018 13:12:46 GMT
Being rich and powerful in hierarchy is a deception. I really feel pity for those astray by all the power and luxury. In reality, these are just as ordinary people. The king dies just as the beggar. And one of the most powerful people in the corrupt Russian regime slips just like any other ordinary person: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5505739/Russian-Foreign-Minister-Sergei-Lavrov-falls-public.htmlI wish every public figure or a political slipped like that on a daily basis because I pity them, not because I wish them harm. They should and the public should realize they are just as ordinary people as everyone else, they should understand the deception. It is a notable example and it is foolishness to laugh at it, it is a sign of development if one analyzes it from metaphorical and metaphysical points of view. It is our instinctive perception, which portrays these people as 'gods' similarly as people used to perceive the Firaun as a God, not as someone who is. In reality they are just as miserable as ordinary 'serfs', but if serfs only knew that they are Beings just like everyone else and it is but a level of development which differs people, not hierarchy. But someone who is developed will not look down upon less successful people, in fact he/she should evade luxury of hierarchy and comfort of being socially higher than others. Everyone is subject to Earth thus the resources here and the energy such as electricity are technically free for all the inhabitants. But the human nature is a beast which is in its essence a warrior, an exploiter, a parasite, whose goal is to satisfy ones instinctive behavior and sow corruption on earth. Women and men are meant to deceive each other, this is how the world works. Men are subject to constant submission to the bodily beauty and women are subject to being 'supported' and exploited by men. Diamonds, gold and jewerly are worthless if it was not for deception and sex. Women use jewerly to show the status of their males, some males use jewerly to show their alpha primate, say boxing or rap stars. Rap stars and many sport figures are essentially animals who lack any soundness. Muhammad Ali was acting like an animal, he was not holy as they portray him to be. So is the Tyson and heck, even my 'favourite' Tupac Shakur was acting like an animal, but the latter was actually a smart guy, although VERY deluded. Delusion was what destroyed him in the life. Namely, his deception was a belief in being able to change something while adhering to the path upon which he was. His former friend Napoleon is now in Islam, he is on a better path albeit he is still deluded, though not as much as he was deluded during his rap career. The hype around the boxing events is but a show, which I would compare to the fight of beasts in the cages in a zoo, or gladitor fights. They are outcomes of animalistic human nature hence why they are so popular. The same can be told about the soccer and other global sports. The soccer is also the symbol of a fraud of national sovereignity, the ball symbolizes how the power jumps from one party to another while the deluded crowd watches ad cheers their party. In reality, one has to escape the submission to the bodily so that a female is no more and a male is no more, as apocryphal saying goes. Being driven by women is essentially animalistic and as long as one does not understand the purpose of a mind over body one may not understand the point of 'expelling the primate'. It is like trying to make a child understand of what is wrong but never explain 'why'. A child then grows confused and questions the parental teachings. The person has to realize it for himself why pursuing money and women is vanity. There is nothing sacred about women just as there is nothing sacred about the males. The myth of sacredness of women comes from their child-bearing natural ability, but no-one believes males are sacred for all the temples, bridges and inventions they made. The reality is that a person is subject to Adam which is human beast, and is made to exploit each other. Without sexual cravings people would not invent that much and shed blood, because sexual stimuli is what makes a person driven towards power, comfort, greed and pretty much anything else related to CIVILIZATION. Being driven by instinctive behavior means your suffering will never cease. I know, I can relate, I have changed in some ways (still tremendous change compared to years ago) and know the difference. And no, karma does not operate in a way some imagine it, it DOES NOT punish those that sow evil in this life. What it is instead essentially is a law, which binds you to the bodily due to defect, badness, flaws, that everyone has to deal with and he/she has a lifetime for this. Do never wish harm to those that sow dissent among others, they are made for this. Why people falsely believe in karma as something, which should punish others for the pain that they cause it is because of emotional output towards those that harmed them, but remember the saying that Jesus spoke that anyone who is angry with his enemy will subject be subject to judgment, this is because world is essentially, in its essence not a 'good' place and it is naive to expect others to act with kindness towards others, but if you happen to meet those who realize this then stick to them and it is best to treat those as a part of your community. I would prefer it to be locally in real life, and I happen to know such people in life, but today's world is globalized...
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Post by rekkd on Mar 20, 2018 2:24:23 GMT
You guys make great arguments. If you truly believe without a doubt what you’re saying then commit suicide.
There is no other ultimate evidence or proof to the “high community” or “Rabb” that you want nothing from this world and you are not driven by instinct.
No animal kills itself! Everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die.
If your excuse is that you are not developed yet and there is much to learn. I argue against it by saying you are just making excuses just as the believers of other religions. You are going against our strongest instinct! To survive.
Kill yourselves as proof and once you are among the high community, then start communicating with me.
What you guys write are based on logic but the later parts are not. There is no such thing as becoming part of God, or becoming an Angel. This just does not make sense and it shows flaws in your interpretations and point of view.
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Post by cerulean on Mar 20, 2018 5:00:51 GMT
Makes no sense. I want to live a righteous life, and that is not about hating life and loving death, on the contrary, it is about taking life for what it is, and living it. And I want to do that, not because of a reward I want to earn, but rather because I genuinely believe it is the right thing to do.
Everything starts with the knowledge of the self. If you cannot tell when you are acting purely out of the animal in you then you cannot really see anything. And to try to believe in something after death is just beating around the wrong bush.
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Post by Immanuel on Mar 20, 2018 8:46:49 GMT
You guys make great arguments. If you truly believe without a doubt what you’re saying then commit suicide. There is no other ultimate evidence or proof to the “high community” or “Rabb” that you want nothing from this world and you are not driven by instinct. No animal kills itself! Everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die. If your excuse is that you are not developed yet and there is much to learn. I argue against it by saying you are just making excuses just as the believers of other religions. You are going against our strongest instinct! To survive. Kill yourselves as proof and once you are among the high community, then start communicating with me. What you guys write are based on logic but the later parts are not. There is no such thing as becoming part of God, or becoming an Angel. This just does not make sense and it shows flaws in your interpretations and point of view. I do without doubt know what I am saying is correct, but I also know that the reason why I am in this world is because I am not mature/full-grown and committing suicide before I can consider myself absolutely flawless would be counterproductive and stupid. Nevertheless I absolutely look forward to the day I die, but I do not hasten it either, and that is because I am not looking for anything in this world, it does not impress me and I abstain from the bodily stimulus and this gradual distancing has rendered me able to see how meaningless the world is, and if you cannot see this it is because you do not even try it and therefore speak with a biased mind in a deluded attempt at refuting this. What is it that does not make sense from the perspective of logic? I cannot see anything which is not plausible from a perspective of logic. And we would never talk to you if we pass away from this world, especially with your aversion and doubt, because life here is an intelligence check and with your rejection you prove that you accept the world for what it seems to be and therefore cannot understand that there is more to it and if you choose that path you are not interesting as a person to 'The Being Ones'. And you are too quick to judge in saying we do not wish to survive. On the contrary I never wish to die, it would be illogical unless I was a broken soul, but I would very much appreciate not having to stick around with a lowly animal when my mind is much more advanced. For this reason, I have little reason to commit suicide, but I also have no reason to desire to stick to this body of mine and the meaningless activities of this world which are driven by an instinct I do not need to be part of because it is not me and I can prove it by my way of Being, so you cannot say it is illogical. I know I am not mentally ready to depart from this world and I use every minute in it to reflect on what makes me better and that you should too instead of showing this aversion to what is obvious, and therefore I have no time to hasten it by doing as you say "commit suicide" and I do not loathe living, but I have no strong attachment to requiring a body and there is little of interest with this limited world for me. The instinct is inclined on these things: Group identity, stereotypes, vanity, preoccupation, self-preservation (including of kin), domination, sex, greed, exaggeration and jealousy. The remedy I wrote about in my previous post is a way to counteract it and it has been there for thousands of years but covered in lies about worship. So no, we are not making any excuses at all and there is nothing illogical about the concept. My primary interest is becoming better and the only way I can truly excel is if I throw away the instinctive affection, that is logical and the argument for the supernatural existence is also derived from logic and it is irrefutable that the world has to exist in some supernatural manner as per my elaboration I have already given multiple times in the forum, so it is very probable that also things can be eternal/infinite given the right conditions and if the supernatural phenomenon determines it to be like that.
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