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Post by James on Sept 26, 2018 12:37:24 GMT
Hi,
Is Elohim indifferent to the suffering(s) of others? All the sicknesses, pain, I know it on my own experience.
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Post by James on Sept 26, 2018 12:56:35 GMT
Hi Immanuel, as you said earlier why would someone as enlightened/intellectually advanced as Elohim, demand/crave physical worship. Because as you said it yourself, this kind of satisfaction, it is instinctually based, like dictators who demand praise and approval. My questions would be then, what do Elohim get from suffering(s), pain, sicknesses, disease etc. that humans experience?
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 26, 2018 13:58:27 GMT
Hello James,
This is a valid question and undeniably the world is innately evil by human standards and it is based on the literal consumption of another organism to live, which can feel quite grotesque.
And then the question is: "Are the Elahem emotionally insensitive?"
Well, the Elahem have an agenda and it appears they go to great lengths to carry out their mission, including tests meant to be psychologically burdening to humans and which act to break down the subject unless they strengthen their willpower and gather mental strength. Everything we encounter are mere illusions but we experience pain which very well feels real and so it acts to delude man from thinking there is anything beyond the immediate reality.
Do we accept the world for what it is? No, we do not, if we are wise and think longer than our eyes can see. Everything you see in nature behaves the way it does because it only acts to preserve its own kind at the expense of other specimens. Is there any beauty in it? No, there is not, absolutely none at all.
Social animals including the human bodily race act the same but on species level, that is the only real difference. If another group of humans acts and behaves a different way, the human separates them into sub-races, which is entirely instinctive.
The Elahem did create a world which is driving its subjects to be destructive, dominating and in every way primitive and that is like another entity in every human pushes the person to do bad things and this misguided or misunderstanding people have referred to as "Satan as a person, who originally was an angel". This imposition is not in any way helpful and proceeding down the path leads to destruction. So that means the Elahem have acted in a most deceptive way towards the subjects in this world and let people spread disinformation for millennia.
So do Elahem have a malevolent intention?
No, the purpose is meant to lead to something good, but as it appears moral standards which man has made for themselves do not exactly apply. They do bad to get good in the end. People who defend this, saying "God is not doing evil", are not sufficiently objective in their approach to logic and they do not reflect upon the fact that the Elahem made it all to act the way it does, it cannot be defended saying it is not unfriendly. People are too emotional, and gullible and idolizing to accept the fact that the Elahem did not create a wonderful lovely world like a paradise but the world is more like Hell, and in fact the Semitic term "Gehennom" is meant to refer to the valley or burrow of Earth but people made it into some punishment, a punishment the advanced Elahem have no need of.
The Elahem do not get anything from your suffering and pain, they are not emotionally satisfied but they are not emotionally affected like with a bleed heart either.
What I do think in the matter is if humans would be 100% logical they could take measures in order to remove a lot of the pain. For example people do not live i healthy way, they hug other people and stay close to them, expose themselves to contamination hazards and they are not clean and let the world pollute them. They pollute the world causing new health hazards to affect everyone.
However, no matter what precautions you take, the world is out to get you and diseases are lurking everywhere and if you seek to fight them with something like antibiotics they only evolve to get around your remedy and then harm you again.
No, you are not meant to love the world in which you live, but many people are slaves to it and in their barred consciousness they claim to love it. There is little to love about this world when you are in it.
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Post by James on Sept 26, 2018 14:19:05 GMT
Does that mean that the people who are regarded as psychopaths by the common folk, might be just too advanced for human "emotions" ? However, Immanuel, again, what would be the reason to put such things/variables as disease into this earth reality?
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 26, 2018 14:26:55 GMT
People who do not believe in a supernatural phenomenon often say "if there is a god in the world the why is there so much misery?" as an argument why they believe so.
They reason based on their own perception of right and wrong, without reflecting on whether they "God" have any intention of doing good. Wars roam on Earth on and off for millennia with no apparent end, if what people perceive as "God" wished, the wars could easily end, so why do they continue? The easy answer is, "It is not meant to end" or the model in which the world was created is supposed to do as it was "programmed"
Yet logic tells it cannot be that there is no supernatural background to existence.
Humans do not need to behave according to how the world drives them to behave, this resistance is looked upon by the Elahem and that is what is truly commendable. The integrity of an independently controlled individuality is exactly the result the Elahem are expecting out of the chaos. Each human is in an animal body, but in each human there is at the same time a kind of seed and the hardship of the world is supposed to lead to a hardened seedling which evolves into a tree alike the mustard tree, a very grandiose thing. The extremely aggressive and unfriendly world is supposed to lead to a hardened offspring, and this is what the man who was named Jesus meant by referring to "Children of God" (at least in translation).
So do the Elahem aim for a wide quantity of ascended souls? No, they do not, as it appears failures will be purged eventually.
The Elahem aim for quality and they do not consider undeveloped souls to be commendable and this can look very cold and unkind. Do they want people to fail on purpose? No, they do not, all they look at is the result and the notch is set high.
The Elahem do not guide or assist anyone, people are meant to take on the true image in which they were created and by that they are helped. Every human has what they need in themselves, if they discover their true identity mixed in "a pile of misleading flesh".
I was not guided to what I have learned until now, I had to actively search for it and look very hard. It took a good many years until I got even a faint paranormal sign from the Elahem of their existence after digging hard for the truth about existence and I refused to believe in primitive half-truths, about worship and such as according to established religions, and this discovery is what I am teaching to others here on this forum. I am not beguiling anyone when I say I have had a paranormal communication with the supernatural intelligence above.
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Post by James on Sept 26, 2018 14:40:44 GMT
I see you what you mean Immanuel, however at the same time, what is the point of creating and manifesting diseases such as multiple sclerosis and etc. into this reality? If anything by making the animal sick, the animal which the soul/seed is controlling, the soul/seed loses its chances of development.
Hormonal diseases, for example, tend to affect people even psychologically, in other words, the animal starts failing/malfunctioning, and how can the driver (soul), reach the desired goal/destination if the car (animal-body) is malfunctioning in the first place, in other words, the souls who get to have properly functioning cars (healthy-bodies, in other words working as it was intended to work/non malfunctioning) have an unfair advantage.
To give a parable you give two computer programmers a task in which they need to write a specific code, however, you give the programmer # 1 a fully functioning computer and you give the programmer # 2 a half-functioning computer, which lags, stutters, freezes etc.
And if the test is about control and the development of control, especially on oneself, it sounds weird that the soul seed which is attached to the host body, cannot affect the body itself, which is again is just on the mercy of Elohim it seems.
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Post by James on Sept 26, 2018 14:45:15 GMT
Immanuel, regarding the paranormal communication you are speaking about, how do you know if who you are communicating with is Elohim? Is it because of the message, the tone of communication or something else?
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 26, 2018 15:27:57 GMT
Does that mean that the people who are regarded as psychopaths by the common folk, might be just too advanced for human "emotions" ? However, Immanuel, again, what would be the reason to put such things/variables as disease into this earth reality? On the contrary, psychopaths are hollowed souls who have no substance, they are driven by the more raw of instincts with no resistance as their consciousness is completely void.
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 26, 2018 15:40:28 GMT
I see you what you mean Immanuel, however at the same time, what is the point of creating and manifesting diseases such as multiple sclerosis and etc. into this reality? If anything by making the animal sick, the animal which the soul/seed is controlling, the soul/seed loses its chances of development. Hormonal diseases, for example, tend to affect people even psychologically, in other words, the animal starts failing/malfunctioning, and how can the driver (soul), reach the desired goal/destination if the car (animal-body) is malfunctioning in the first place, in other words, the souls who get to have properly functioning cars (healthy-bodies, in other words working as it was intended to work/non malfunctioning) have an unfair advantage. To give a parable you give two computer programmers a task in which they need to write a specific code, however, you give the programmer # 1 a fully functioning computer and you give the programmer # 2 a half-functioning computer, which lags, stutters, freezes etc. And if the test is about control and the development of control, especially on oneself, it sounds weird that the soul seed which is attached to the host body, cannot affect the body itself, which is again is just on the mercy of Elohim it seems. Psychologically permanently affected individuals have not ascended and if the body is damaged they are merely driven by it according to its force. A soul (mind) may also lose its attachment to the body and the body roams free of control. If the mind grows it gains a separation or distinction from the body it is attached to and the mind's thoughts grow independent from it, but the body may malfunction outside of the control of the mind. Although, if the mind is sufficiently powerful it can override the weakness of the body and it can have mental permission by the Elahem, even support, to maintain this despite that the body falter. The mind or soul is completely a different thing compared to the body and they are not related to each other. A powerful mind can refuse to be affected mentally by the body. The illusion of this world is that the human is the human in which it resides. If the mind is not affected by the body this is all that matters.
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 26, 2018 18:36:23 GMT
There are many factors to take into consideration. For example, humans do reincarnate with their mind seed, and there may be a reckoning system, meaning horribly disadvantageous people could potentially in a way deserve the negative situation they have ended up in. The world appears to be growing in chaos and it does also reflect the fact that the world is approaching its final phase of its current cycle, there simply are mostly failed subjects in the world currently, the ones showing the greatest potential have already made their way towards an ascension.
If you see a suffering person you have no clue about the history of that one. Many people live in the mayhem of their own doing.
Another factor, which I already wrote about, is that the world in itself is supposed to act in such a way that it breaks down its inhabitants, and the strongest remain. The saying "survival of the fittest" may as well be true for, they give a very hard stimuli to overcome that the end product is very firm and superior. It is like you put an iron sword through fire in order to shape it into the sharp weapon it is supposed to be. Without the harsh treatment it is not suitable for what it is meant to be suitable for.
Compare that to the fact the human is in an extremely fierce environment, very hostile and mean, tearing down on the psyche and requiring willpower and mental strength. It is the mind which is being developed here and to take shape. The way a mind is being shaped most efficiently is if it is exposed to fire (parable) and yet stand firm. The Elahem community is comprised of very advanced and intensively mentally superior beings, to even fit in you have to have a very potent mind. I mean, they have minds so strong they can project a perceived reality for a multitude of subjects and if you cannot show potential worthy of comparison it is uninteresting to them.
Taking how the world looks like and the intense deception, you obviously see the Elahem are not concerned about emotional difficulties, a bleedy heart as one may call it and it only gives more questions whether one actually even want to join the Elahem communityity, as Elahem appears innately like bad guys who are malevolent in their intentions.
But, like I suggested in the beginning of this post, if you take into account that there is an established system, like game rules, over how this world simulation is supposed to be carried out, then the Elahem must not look as bad as it seems, if they created a system where you damage yourself by your doings and if you do not damage yourself by your doings and nurture your mind you do progress. Yet the deception might seem like malevolence, and that is true that you are subjected to a forced environment which you could not help yourself, this does not seem fair. But you are indeed equipped with the most potent of mind seeds, you do have the mental processing capability potential required to master the challenge and be successful.
Understand that there is an intelligence check in this.
1. Intelligence 2. Willpower & Integrity
They are testing that with you. This is part of being a Being, an independent creature... which is not dependent upon anyone. The part about becoming a completely self-sufficient lifeform is the completion. This is why you are left to guide yourself with yourself as a tool.
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Post by cerulean on Sept 27, 2018 13:21:31 GMT
Hi, Is Elohim indifferent to the suffering(s) of others? All the sicknesses, pain, I know it on my own experience. We are only experiencing pain and pleasure because we have a body. It's a very limited line of sight. And the ideas that are induced by this body, how it makes us conclude certain things instinctively, rooting for pleasure and fearing pain. "Reality" could be much more different if we use a more appropriate instrument to experience those things. conclusions could be different. People who say "if there was a God he wouldn't let kids starve in Africa" and stuff like that need to consider this. And there is also this, how the body, the instrument by which pain/pleasure are experienced, is going to decompose into the earth, into dust. Worth thinking about.
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Post by hftwo on Sept 29, 2018 10:16:59 GMT
We are only experiencing pain and pleasure because we have a body. It's a very limited line of sight. And the ideas that are induced by this body, how it makes us conclude certain things instinctively, rooting for pleasure and fearing pain. "Reality" could be much more different if we use a more appropriate instrument to experience those things. conclusions could be different. People who say "if there was a God he wouldn't let kids starve in Africa" and stuff like that need to consider this. And there is also this, how the body, the instrument by which pain/pleasure are experienced, is going to decompose into the earth, into dust. Worth thinking about. Cerulean. I have to disagree with your logic if the truth is what we are after. Of course, we feel pain and pleasure because we have a body, that's why we are able to share the same reality and be able to communicate with each other right now through the internet. The body is a necessary vehicle/avatar to interact in this world, it is also your ID, Your face your body, that is how others identify you in this place.
The idea that the body roots for pleasure and fears pain, - do you really think it is only the body? Let's say something happened to you, and now you are very embarrassed/ashamed, thus, consequently you are feeling a lot of pain and shame, is that the body? The body could care a damned, animals procreate right on the streets and they feel no shame, they eat another animal alive right in front of everyone, they don't care. Pain and pleasure/bliss goes beyond the body, it is something that drives the being also, a sane being would not want to experience something negative. The talk about everything being relative, it is pretty unwise, for certain, there are things which are positive and negative. Is freedom better than being enslaved? Is health better than sickness? Is intelligence better than being dull? If Elohim got to control this reality up 100 %, could it be near perfect, well better than it is right now, right? Why? Because people think differently, they think not healthy/sane.
And the argument about that the body, the instrument by which pain/pleasure is experienced, is going to decompose into the earth, into dust. does not mean that what you are experiencing right now in this body while it is functioning/alive is real to YOU. That's all that matters actually, what is real to YOU because it is YOU who experience it. Even if thinking by the logic that this reality is a created reality and that there is an outside reality from this which is the real one, however, that does not make what you experiencing, being experienced by You. The reality outside of this reality might also be a created reality, and it might go like that in layers, who said that the reality after this, is the source/origin/original reality. The source "place" might even be a no-reality, an absence of reality, of time and space. Even if the way our being/mind works right now is limited by the fact that the bodies we are controlling are bound in a time-space environment, does not mean that what you are experiencing is realty to You and that what it all matters in the end. In the end, arent You, the center of your own existence?
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 29, 2018 20:51:36 GMT
The mind and body are two different entities, although the human (we) experience it as an illusion of this being one and many humans believe that the consciousness of the mind sits fixed inside the body. There is a phenomenon where the consciousness (your mental perception) is attached to the body and you control the body in a way that it seems it is who you are.
Compared to an animal, you do have the option of free-willed control and you can execute that will to the level of your mental strength. The body imposes tension on your mind to do various activities which we have discussed quite a lot on this forum and it takes some willpower to resist this call of nature, but you can virtually resist anything of it.
The enslavement is the search for constant pleasure which also causes the person to enter into repetitive behavior and which in return leads to mindlessness, when there is no conscious awareness of what is being done. The mind is becoming healthy when it is being used particularly for abstract thinking and not stuck to habits. Relinquishing the personal being is the worst kind of thing someone can do, when they just get soaked up in daily life and where the pleasure-seeking nature of the body does determine what they do.
The first step for someone who understands this is true is to distance themselves from it, and not for social reasons accompany lesser fortunate acquaintances who are still stuck in the evil circles of unconscious living.
But like I say, it is the surrender which is the main hazard, when the mind is not even attempting to resist the calls of nature to indulge. When you do think twice, always intensify your efforts to resist and contemplate your days, then it will stimulate the mental health. To delve into deep logic is absolutely perfect, to sink into thoughts about the existence and seek answers from within using the mental processing. The answer can be understood by thinking deeper into the matter.
So do not go with the flow; do not accept stereotypes, no vain repetitive living but frequent contemplation, care for your neighbor and no domination, no sexual thoughts, no greed, no strategic deception and no jealousy.
Strangely enough the "do nots" are seven in that list. That weird old number always come up no matter what kind of Semitic old lore I get into reflection over. And then I am referring to the classical so-called 'Ten Commandments'. If we consider them ten then there are seven do not parameters.
And what is their reason for being? They are a help for resisting the human bodily urges, including what to to do symbolized by the three remaining parameters:
1. Adhere to Being (original phrase "Yehowaheh Elohem"*) 2. Frequently contemplate 3. Care for your neighbor like yourself
1. Do not take an image of anything and adhere to it (stereotype) 2. Do not take the call to being in vanity 3. Do not dominate 4. Do not commit "sexual excess/vanity" 5. Do not acquire items dubiously 6. Do not carry false testimony 7. Do not covet your neighbors... things
(I know I sort the commandments a little differently from tradition)
* Yehowaheh is not a name but it is a descriptive phrase meaning "to be someone who" and Elahem means "being ones" or "them being". The phrase refers to gaining an individual person for oneself. The word Yehowaheh contains the pronoun هو but it is constructed in a particular manner ي هو ه ("to be whose who" is the literal translation).
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 29, 2018 21:14:34 GMT
It is not a coincidence that the lines come in the order as they do in that "law" but they are very related, especially when you translate the lines for what they are supposed to say compared to tradition, e.g. the "do not murder" line is translated as intended as "do not dominate".
Then if you read it together with the fifth one you see a connection:
Care/treat for/consider your neighbor like yourself, do not dominate. You see the relevance, when told to be equal to your neighbor it immediately says "do not dominate" thereafter.
This phenomenon of relevance is also found earlier on the third and forth line where it say:
3. Do not take the call of being vain. 4. Maintain/uphold the contemplation (Sabbateh)
You can see the relevance they have together.
First and second say together:
1. Adhere "to be one who is of the Being Ones" 2. DO NOT take an image* of anything/anyone and adhere to it
* The word here means model, it implies the image of someone and to just imitate that one. It is the most critical commandments there is, it is what I aim for the most in this forum when directing my focus on you in my persuasive attempts in order to help you help yourselves.
But there are no more tells to after;
5. Care for/consider your neighbor as/like yourself;
only do nots and they are related to your rapport to others;
6. do not dominate, 7. do not acquire dubiously, 8. do not commit/seek sexual activity, 9. do not fare with falsehood 10. and do not covet your neighbor's worldly features
I.e. do none of these things in relationship to your neighbor. They are clear instincts and exactly what you like to do instinctively. It is clear as glass.
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 29, 2018 21:22:13 GMT
The one about sexuality is highly related to the saying of Eysua/Jesus when he said: "If you even look upon a woman with desire you have committed the sexual activity in your mind" in response to the old decree saying that one should not enter into sexual acts, things of that nature.
It is clear as glass that it is related to the instinct of reproduction in the human body.
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 29, 2018 21:43:18 GMT
I will research more on the ninth commandment. It ought to say "do not slander" as this is even more relevant to what humans do everyday against others. People do spread false OR unfair information around them often to gain an advantage and it is connected to that of the underlying thought of domination, another commandment. For example, someone at a workplace might slander about a colleague in order to be held in a higher esteem, they do exaggerate about themselves at the expense of others.
So it might not necessarily be a lie, but it is tailored as slander in order to win.
Eysua spoke about not cursing or condemning your brother, and this could possibly be related in the lore. You can walk around forcing a bad opinion about someone and make them look actually worse than they are and they are demonized. This thing will usually backfire though and so Eysua said you will be condemned too. This often ends up in you not having any friends somewhere, when they see how full of it you are and they realize it was you who spoke all that garbage and the demonized person was not at all that bad.
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