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Post by Alex on Oct 18, 2018 12:31:18 GMT
Turning the other cheek?
Ok, let's say you are standing with your friends on a bus stop, someone with his group of friends comes up to you and slaps you and spits you on your face, will you give him also the other cheek? Or let's say this person asks you for your jacket will you give him it?
Really?
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 18, 2018 15:54:31 GMT
Hello,
What the man who spoke those words was trying to say was symbolic and a way of seeing things.
He did mention the old "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" rule and added his opinion about it, that even if the rule says you should not punish for more than you were hurt, it is better to not punish at all but just let it be.
When it comes to someone's wise sayings uttered in a way of parable you have to think shrewdly too. You have to think about the reason why the person in the example wishes to hit you and that is probably because you did something which did enrage the person and so Eysua says to take that beating instead of igniting your anger and beat the person who did beat you, so he said "turn the other cheek and offer it too", so the other person lets go of his/her anger towards you. It is about compassion and understanding how people feel.
Eysua continued by saying if someone wishes to sue you, probably meaning to take you to court, you had likely done something bad in order to first get hit on the cheek and the person wishes to report you to the authorities, allegedly over your shirt which might seem like a bad translation as it seems a bit odd and does not fit the context as who would go and sue you over your shirt. It could have to do with your compensation to the offended person, to not grumpily repay what you need to compensate but readily heal the relationship by offering more than required as a goodwill.
Eysua does in another sentence say that if someone asks you to walk a mile with this person, then go two miles, and you had probably not done anything wrong but what he means is do not just the minimum required from you by people but be kind.
Everything this man spoke of is related to not falling victim to the instinct of the mammal in which man resides. If you do twice as much to resist what is negative on the list of the Ten (the Ten Commandments/Directives), then you will have extra development. Like he said himself, he came not to abolish anything of what had been said but specify it more clearly and give better guidance on the principles of it.
Eysua said that the fifth commandment was the most important except the first one, and it is what he often spoke the most of. The fifth commandment tells to care for your neighbor as yourself, as a remedy to the instinct which is driving a man to self-preservation and egoism. A way of fighting it is to go over board and do exactly the opposite of the instinct, to not be selfish at all but do more for others than yourself, and that way you have less tendency to show instinctive behavior.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 18, 2018 16:00:00 GMT
Concerning your quote: Turning the other cheek? Ok, let's say you are standing with your friends on a bus stop, someone with his group of friends comes up to you and slaps you and spits you on your face, will you give him also the other cheek? Or let's say this person asks you for your jacket will you give him it? Really? You can start by asking why this person did that for. The rest is common sense, but your comments regarding this is out of context with the original statement, as I suppose you were referring to Jesus in the New Testament Gospels. Eye for an eye is a justice principle and this is what Jesus did refer to. If this was something we talked about afterwards in a court, then it seems better from your side if you did not escalate the situation but remained humble and at court when the person wants to sue you, you offer more to repair the damage. It is about not growing hostility between people.
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Post by Alex on Oct 21, 2018 9:41:51 GMT
I see your point. But what if people are passive aggressive towards almost all the time even if You did nothing wrong to them. And when the reason for the behaviour they are showcasing is their limited/undeveloped consciousness/thinking ability and narrow/stereotypical worldview. Wouldnt you get effed-up too? Woudlnt you want to react to it and put them in their place so they would stop acting this way which is disturbing to your inner peace?
If it is not my fault and I do not deserve it. I understand your point if sýou did something to the person or a group of people, then yes.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 23, 2018 7:17:55 GMT
I could get upset yes, but it is important to maintain control in all situations and handle them wisely.
One should not be arrogant, but it may help that in an empathic way consider people to be undeveloped fools and not worth getting upset over. When people cause friction to your peace then understandably it is difficult, but it is good to see people as confused, disoriented victims who while acting aggressively or offensives outwards are terribly "colored" by this world because they did not have a consciousness to be better.
It is very condescending, but a parable of seeing it as getting angry at an animal for how it is acting. That does not make any sense because it is never the animal's fault and the same applies for all the underdeveloped humans on Earth. The Elahem did evolve the human body and animal species this way and it is intentional and natural in that manner. However, it is food for thought whether one actually want to accept this arrangement or if they rebel against it, and understand the human mind can override this bodily nature.
I have written philosophically about many arguments of why there has to be something supernatural concerning the human mind and why the human mind must be another entity and not one and the same, identified through the physical brain.
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