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Post by hftwo on Nov 10, 2018 18:52:31 GMT
My wishes of health and sanity to all reading this post.
There is something on my mind that I need to put in order. As people who read this forum can see Jesus is a person who is talked about regularly, atleast more than any other person, as to my own knowledge/memory. However, lately Ive been doing thinking.
First of all did Jesus from Nazareth even exist? If we think objectively, are there historic accounts of this person? If the stories in the gospels, the stories of mircales, cures, the ressuraction from death after 3 days, etc. are indeed true to their testimony, then wouldnt there be historic accounts from the historians, educated people from that time and place?
If there are none, than isnt that true that the only text(s) that show light to existance of such person, are the texts known as the the Gospels today? And if we think 100% objective wouldnt that mean that if today in 2018 someone for example someone writes a book about a person, with extraordinary story and events. And after some time people start talking about this person as 100% being a real person, (hovewevr again there is no proof, it could have being a made up charcter from the imagination of thw writer(s))
Please do not take my example right now as a joke, or insult or anything evil of this sorts, but honestly speaking we cant just say for example that Harry Potter existed just because there are many books written about him, with stories, details etc.
My post is driven 100% by curiousity and wilingens to be 100% truthfull to the truth, Ill be honest a part of me wishes that Jesus was a true story, because it is inspiring, however as we knows wishes and reality do not always match.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 10, 2018 22:01:01 GMT
Hello, It is always good to look at things in an objective way and if it holds up to scrutiny. On the matter of Eysua (Jesus) there exists few historical documents, besides the multiple allegedly written accounts of his followers. You have this link opusdei.org/en/article/what-do-roman-and-jewish-sources-tell-us-about-jesus/ampOn the other hand, if we look at it logically from the perspective of the authorities and that propaganda machine, the "intellectual elite" did probably not account much for his existence seeing he was just an impostor according to the Jewish clergy and who held onto this belief even into his death, and according to the Jews the Messiah is yet to come and these people have been waiting for 2000 years since then. Ironically, they missed that prophet and wonder if they will acknowledge the next and who is not the Messiah but someone else. All I can say is I am a Son of Man (Son of Adam). The Roman occupation power was probably not sufficiently involved with the working wonders of Jesus to have any significant historical accounts and Jesus might have considered them Genns, which would be translated "worldly humans" or similar. Jesus followers were relatively few at the time of his death and they were not exactly free to speak freely and they might have fled, possibly why they seem to end up having written in Greek. Jesus was not convincing enough for the clergy, he died like a human without Elahem intervention and because they would expect a grandiose prophet and not one dressed in rags, sackcloth. They expected someone like Solomon, not some broke maniac who did also not confirm but oppose their religious doctrine. People were very superstitious during this time, they did actually believe it was the works of Satan as with many other things which happened. This made his miracles go unacknowledged by many as they refused to believe in them and those who did believe were silenced by the clergy. Do not underestimate the silencing power of authoritative clergymen.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 10, 2018 23:29:49 GMT
If you read my historical research about the Persians, the Pharisees might have been the Parthians or Persians and Herod (Herodes) might have been the Persian king Orodes of which there is historical evidence of. Apparently Herod in the stories seem to have been located quite a journey away. In the birth story, the "wise men" or "Magi" travel from East to West and coincidentally the clergymen of Zoroastrianism are called Magi actually, which is quite peculiar.
Herod did listen to the Magi, meaning he did believe in them enough to be religious in their faith, possibly indicating he accepted Zoroastrianism and possibly adhered to it. This could be a reason because he is Orodes, king of the Parthians who was a real and existing king to have ruled.
A few centuries before that time, 300s if I remember correctly, Persia had become conquered by Alexander the Great and so they did not completely stand on own legs but the Parthians were controlled like a satellite state and not entirely independent. For us who have studied ancient history from the Middle East know the Persian Empire (Achemenid dynasty) included Jerusalem and so Jerusalem used to be controlled by the Persians. During Jesus alleged lifetime this was not the case but Persia was weakened and may have had to please Rome in order to maintain stability. So Herod was most likely Orodes of the Parthians, and the Pharisees were most likely the Persians.
The word Persian comes from the district of Fars (Pars) which also hosts the ancient city of Persepolis. This was a religious Hotspot, prior to the Macedonian invasion, for the whole region, they controlled much of what people believed and they were a superpower, and they did sure influence the faith of people in Jerusalem.
The Semitic ethnicity use Fars to refer to Parsians for they do not have "p" in their vocabulary or phonology.
I always wondered about the term Pharisees and their sect in the Gospels but this later led me to bind both them and Herod to the Parthian empire and Orodes. On top of that there were multiple Orodes, meaning it might have been a family name tradition for the title of kings, much like many Egyptian kings were called Pharaoh, and in the Gospels it indicates there were multiple Herods.
In terms of the difference of spelling between Orod and Herod this is likely just a matter of language. Apart from that this fits perfectly. On top of it, the kings called Orodes lived around the same era, albeit it would indicate Jesus might have lived even earlier than what historians indicate, possibly 50 years earlier.
It also means there might not have been a country but a province called Judah which might only be a reference to the fact the Jews live there as a group. Israel is also a mere codename for something else, e.g. the Children of Israel.
Furthermore, Herod might not even have been identifying himself as a Jew but only as the ruler of the Jews although under pressure from the Romans. He may have wanted to keep a low profile in Jerusalem in order to keep Persia safe from any further invasion being reminded of the Macedonians. You clearly see he lets the Roman prefect Pontius Pilates be tbe judge.
Some time later, the Romans are thrown out of Persian territory and the Persians have another "golden era" with the Sassanian dynasty 224 - 651, until the Muhammedans overthrow it, probably by undermining the empire from within rather than a direct military conflict with the superpower. I prefer the explanation the empire fell apart from political turmoil rather than being conquered directly by technologically inferior people. This is reinforced by the fact early Islamic Imams were in fact of a Persian descent (you can Google it for references). These Imams did logically exercise some religious pressure and did probably convince many people by playing on the feelings and superstitions of people, about bringing back "the true faith" from all the corruption in the legacy.
That said, Islam is just a cooked together religion, invented by power hungry deluded clergymen who just used the mysterious book Quran to extract a context which has nothing to do with what the book really proclaims. It was just a political and religious game. It is supposed (by them) to be a successor to the Jewish corrupted religion because ""God" says so", according to them. It was a direct attack on the Pharisee faith of Persia and a fatal blow to the name but it was changed into being called Islam instead. A "beloved" baby has many names, as it can be said.
This is why Persia is among the first bigger countries to become an "Islamic country" as it is not a coincidence but Islam's creators were Persians. These people used others to conquer Persia, some uneducated, primitive Arab nomadic people who embraced Islam, which they believed was an Arabic religion, but the creators only made it an illusion of being an Arabic originated religion.
And when Persia was taken, they had all the riches and technology required to conquer anything in the world almost. They did get quite far with the so-called Caliphates as historical accounts show. They were quite ruthless according to some accounts, but it might have gone up and down like in the rest of human history.
It is quite funny to think people believe Islam to be an Arab religion but it is just a shrewd continuation of the Persian domination. The doctrine Muslims adhere to is just a Persian invention from religious tradition.
Muhammed might not even have existed, it could be staged stories from something they derived falsely from Quran. He could have taken the name Muhammed after falsely understanding something of the book, if he lived he is an impostor who illegitimately called himself prophet and that I can tell being a prophet myself which Semitic word Nabi means insightful, just as the Sanskrit word Buddha does.
The Muhammed coming forth through the so-called Hadith is a blatant lie and a prophet does not behave in such a manner and would hardly have multiple wives if they even have one wife at all. Having multiple wives is an instinctive call to proclaim material superiority and social standing and not befit a prophet of caliber.
A true prophet does not portray a most hateful god which is not superior at all mentally but acts like a lowly human. The real Elahem do not bother when people turn away from their origin, it is meant to be a bunch of losers who fail to achieve what is expected. What is the point in punishing the losers in an eternal hellfire? What is the gain for Elahem? The only reason is emotional pleasure but Elahem do not have that kind of emotional experience. The truth is, people who fail endlessly are just cut off, they are deleted when the time comes, the apocalypse as multiple religions have prophesied (correctly) when the world is retracted into itself and which depicts the opposite of the "big bang" or rapid expansion of the universe albeit there will be a rapid retraction. The depiction of crumbling mountains etc are true, it is a little like it will happen since the atoms become more and more compacted into the available space. In the end, the universe will exist in the same spot and have no time and space.
A true prophet can also tell what will happen and is wise enough to understand what has happened. Thankfully some wise person wrote the Isaiah, so I know quite much of what will happen soon and if you laugh now you will probably not laugh when the prophecies come true, probably sooner than later, taken they are supposed to occur during my lifetime as a prophet.
I do not know everything by cheating or so i.e. Elahem have not spoon-fed me with information, it is not usually how a prophethood works, this is a test of my intellect and mental development too and so I have derived most of my knowledge from ancient texts and by learning the secret behind the mysterious Semitic symbols and letters.
That said, I have received paranormal communiques from Elahem, but the majority of my information has been gathered by me independently and can be gathered by you too. It is all in the ancient writings, if you stop letting yourselves be fooled by what people have made it look like it says in their ignorance. Only because I am not fooled by that, is why I am Emanuel or Immanuel depending on the spelling, the name of mine means "the understander-like" and I have thus fulfilled the meaning and prophecy of my very own name.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 10, 2018 23:45:17 GMT
Also, Immanuel when you are saying about the future unpleasent events foretold in Isaiah, can you share which parts of Isaiah are speaking about our future now?
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 10, 2018 23:50:52 GMT
It starts at Isaiah 7:13.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 10, 2018 23:53:10 GMT
I will take a look at it right now.
In addition, I see what you mean Immanuel, you believe to be the Immanuel in the prophecy of Isaiah. I do not think that I can disprove what you are claiming or approve it, because I don not think I have that authority. However, I need to ask what is your mission/goal that you would like/will to achiave while your mind is here on earth? In addition, how do we know if people such as Isaiah or Jesus on the moment of their bodies`s physical death that their souls/minds entered Elohim? Because as to my knowledge it is not for certain, what happened to their minds/souls when they died. What if at the moment of their death Elohim decided to make them go through one more human-life/cycle to perfect them even more? Isnt that correct that we cant just say/claim that those personalities/souls/minds that occupied the bodies of Isaiah and Jesus from Nazareth are right now in Elohim and do not participate in this human-life/cycle. What if these individuals/minds are here amongs us inhabiting some bodies amongs the 7 billion, but just having no memory of their past human-life? Because if to be correct didnt Jesus say that he will come back?
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 0:01:58 GMT
This is me quoted: And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men (the body), but will ye weary my God (Being) also? Isaiah 7:13 KJV bible.com/bible/1/isa.7.13.KJVCorrected translation: "You not only wear down the body but also wear down my very Being" It speaks of the phenomenon that I complain over how tired I am of life due to mankind. This world really sucks the power out of me, by having to see it all and its chaos. You will probably not find a person who complains so loudly about how tedious it is to live in this world. Yet I cannot commit suicide because there is some kind of lock. Well, Jesus did also complain about how little people understood, but hardly on this level. He was not so given up on people in general.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 0:03:38 GMT
While reading the Isaiah starting from 7:13 as you told so, I found something interesting.
Isaiah 9:6-7 seems to conitunie telling about the child, (Immanuel-child?)
Isaiah 9:6-7 King James Version (KJV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this
So if Im reading correctly this Immanuel individual will have a government upon his shoulder and he will be called "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." as to quote the scripture. And with his governence there will be no end to peace. So a leader who will bring peace and juctice? So does it mean that this is the Immanuel-individual`s goal/mission? According to Isaiah?
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 0:06:39 GMT
This is the original text of this part of the text :
9:6 כִּי־יֶלֶד יֻלַּד־לָנוּ בֵּן נִתַּן־לָנוּ וַתְּהִי הַמִּשְׂרָה עַל־שִׁכְמֹו וַיִּקְרָא שְׁמֹו פֶּלֶא יֹועֵץ אֵל גִּבֹּור אֲבִיעַד שַׂר־שָׁלֹֽום׃
9:7 למרבה הַמִּשְׂרָה וּלְשָׁלֹום אֵֽין־קֵץ עַל־כִּסֵּא דָוִד וְעַל־מַמְלַכְתֹּו לְהָכִין אֹתָהּ וּֽלְסַעֲדָהּ בְּמִשְׁפָּט וּבִצְדָקָה מֵעַתָּה וְעַד־עֹולָם קִנְאַת יְהוָה צְבָאֹות תַּעֲשֶׂה־זֹּֽאת׃ ס
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 0:08:51 GMT
So many questions, and my very being is hungry for knowledge. When do you say that you cannot commit suicide because there is some kind of lock, can you elaborate what do you mean when you express yourself by saying "some kind of lock" ?
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 0:31:03 GMT
Rest assured I am involuntarily doing any kind of "mission", this is the rebel kind of Jonah, but from what the prophecy says I am supposed to "put the record in order and place the instruction among my disciples", if to quote it directly from Isaiah.
The record itself to be put in order is the ancient old legacy. This is something you already see me doing, I am collecting the pieces of the puzzle and putting it together into what it really says beneath all the lies and misconceptions.
Or you perhaps meant literally about my mind itself. Well, the mind is an "organ" apart from the body and there are many arguments I have put forth of why the mind must exist independently of the body, probably as many as why something supernatural has to exist as the origin of the universe.
I prefer to focus on the mind, which is constant, rather than on a temporary body which means virtually nothing. My mind as a force has a bigger likelihood to continue to exist than a body, which I empirically know it does wither down and turn to dust.
If I remember correctly Jesus says "the son of man" will be back and not necessarily himself. The reason everyone believes Jesus will be back is because everyone assumes Jesus is unconditionally the "son of man".
What he could mean is that someone is born and who is just "son of man" or "son of persistence" as the word Adam means. It might as a code name indicate a person who born through persistence to have an elevated mind sufficient enough to find their own way through the legacy. For example, I began to find myself in the mid 20's and then I had already felt I did not exactly fit in for many years before, to the extent I thought I was an alien, further reinforced by the "light experience" I had when I was 12. I had early feelings of not being human because I was conscious on another level. Early logic led me to think I was like a space alien, but I grew wiser with information and contemplation.
The thing with me is I have such a sharp consciousness, being very present with my mind and aware of what goes on. And that is without any intention to brag at all, just revealing how it is. I often wished in the past that I was like other people, but I abandoned that later when I saw I was gifted with something and not cursed.
Well, if Jesus is actually back it might be me, but I would think he is he and I am I.
People are to reach a certain criterion during the life on Earth and once over the threshold they will not be left to endure this environment anymore. This is not a pleasant place to be for a conscious being, it is more like a nightmare.
The saying "through pain there is gain" is perhaps true for what they expect, but this part of it I dislike. At least I stopped to suffer as much when I figured everything out about the origin of our existence and now I only seek to endure and have patience, which is not easy in the turmoil which is now.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 0:34:35 GMT
So many questions, and my very being is hungry for knowledge. When do you say that you cannot commit suicide because there is some kind of lock, can you elaborate what do you mean when you express yourself by saying "some kind of lock" ? It is as easy as that I wish I could lay down on a rail track and let the train run over my head, but I simply am unable to do it even if I know it is a quick way out and there would be virtually no pain during the death scene as the head would be crushed in milliseconds.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 0:38:56 GMT
Wouldnt that be the instinct of survival at play? However at the same time in your Quran translation does it say the following : <2:34> And tell that for [the] leadership [the] subjection [is to] persist through subjection which is handicapped upbringing, [to] become mature and [this] being [in a] delusion.
So one should persist through, so no suicide or giving up so to speak, no?
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 0:41:45 GMT
While reading the Isaiah starting from 7:13 as you told so, I found something interesting. Isaiah 9:6-7 seems to conitunie telling about the child, (Immanuel-child?) Isaiah 9:6-7 King James Version (KJV) 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this So if Im reading correctly this Immanuel individual will have a government upon his shoulder and he will be called "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." as to quote the scripture. And with his governence there will be no end to peace. So a leader who will bring peace and juctice? So does it mean that this is the Immanuel-individual`s goal/mission? According to Isaiah? That is past the end of the prophecy of Immanuel, it speaks of another prophet.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 0:43:02 GMT
Wouldnt that be the instinct of survival at play? However at the same time in your Quran translation does it say the following : <2:34> And tell that for [the] leadership [the] subjection [is to] persist through subjection which is handicapped upbringing, [to] become mature and [this] being [in a] delusion. So one should persist through, so no suicide or giving up so to speak, no? By persistence is meant to persist through not being consumed and hollowed out by the indulgence of this world.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 0:43:18 GMT
Ill be honest, I never considered suicide myself too and always thought it is just stupid to do and that I will never even think about doing it. However due to sickness I started tot hink about it, and seeing me suffer will God interfere and miracoulasly heal me? I dont know. Is God capable of doing it, Yes, God can do anything right? But Im not sure, maybe it is a punishement.
Because indeed I gave a word to God and in that deal/agreement I told God if I break my vow than God can punish me. And than after some time I felt worse ever since. Is that just a conisdence? Or did God really punish, or is it just a randomness, I do not know.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 0:46:06 GMT
An animal's fight for survival is a metaphor for what the human is exposed to. A human mind persists through against what kills it and it is not always obvious about what is killing.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 0:48:49 GMT
In addition after doing heavy thinking due to the sicknes making me "left out" from the ordinary life, I came to the conclusion that the human-life is very hypocritical, and it is as if people are just playing stage-roles. Men trying to be men, females tyring to be females. Fathers, father,, mother mothers. People usualy act the way they look. Big strong man act confident and intimidating beacsue they know they are physically strong than the rest of people. The small and weak people act submissive because they feel not powerfull. Good looking people are popular and almost worshipped by others, ugly people are repulsed from society due to their ugliness. Etc. It is as if people are merely actors of their body.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 0:52:39 GMT
Yes, the less a person is influenced by the body`s autmatic desires, the more concsious the person is. If the body wants to drink a not so healthy sugary drink, and yet the mind tells that it is not a good idea and he/she should not be drinking it but in the end, ends up drinking it, than it means that the body`s will overrides the will of the mind. So in this samm "fight" the body wins over the mind and the score is 1-0. And this fight is always happening and there is no escape becasue the mind is attached to the body.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 0:54:11 GMT
Elahem tend to be more forgiving than what your common religionist wish to portray God. Punishment is not really a norm. If people suffer they did themselves cause it. However, "what goes around comes around" is true, because reincarnation is a true concept.
Actually, if reincarnation was not true, then the different birth situations would be heavily unfair, if you have ever contemplated about it. Some people are born blind and lame.
Furthermore, when Jesus heals people in the tale he often says "your sins are forgiven" implying their condition is a consequence of something.
If you are ill-natured, this will have a consequence.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 0:56:15 GMT
In addition after doing heavy thinking due to the sicknes making me "left out" from the ordinary life, I came to the conclusion that the human-life is very hypocritical, and it is as if people are just playing stage-roles. Men trying to be men, females tyring to be females. Fathers, father,, mother mothers. People usualy act the way they look. Big strong man act confident and intimidating beacsue they know they are physically strong than the rest of people. The small and weak people act submissive because they feel not powerfull. Good looking people are popular and almost worshipped by others, ugly people are repulsed from society due to their ugliness. Etc. It is as if people are merely actors of their body. You are absolutely right. People are unaware actors in something they are not really being.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 1:00:36 GMT
However, I will say something that after this realization I rather not be part of this "circus" people usualy call as the "circle of life" The only thing that reminds me that I am still human is the annying sexual lust, craving for food and feeling tired, and the need of sleep. Funnily enough , a time ago I thought these things were gifts of life hehe. The cows going around chewing grass, laying under the sun might also think that it is gifts of life. However, if atleast one Cow realizes its lowly condition than what will happen to it? Will it still be a cow?
It must be all about realization, the more realization you get the less human you become, the more you wake up from the slumber so to speak.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 1:01:14 GMT
Yes, the less a person is influenced by the body`s autmatic desires, the more concsious the person is. If the body wants to drink a not so healthy sugary drink, and yet the mind tells that it is not a good idea and he/she should not be drinking it but in the end, ends up drinking it, than it means that the body`s will overrides the will of the mind. So in this samm "fight" the body wins over the mind and the score is 1-0. And this fight is always happening and there is no escape becasue the mind is attached to the body. Yes, everyone has to be on guard at all times. Not even me as an enlightened one can be caught off guard. But the body is meant to give stimulus, add weight to the mind, like the weights to a weight lifter, and for the mind to get exercise from the control and push away of the instinctive impulses. It means that someone who does not even try, grows by 0% too. People who accept everything about the body and their identity to it, they do not grow much at all, often very marginally.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 1:03:56 GMT
However, I will say something that after this realization I rather not be part of this "circus" people usualy call as the "circle of life" The only thing that reminds me that I am still human is the annying sexual lust, craving for food and feeling tired, and the need of sleep. Sleep is a biological necessity and it is something I need right now for this body, as it is required by the "game rules". So I will answer any further questions later. Good night.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 1:06:26 GMT
In addition to this, if we ask the question what makes us unique to other animals and it must be our thinking capability. So the more thinking one does, the less animaistic one is. However the thining should not be about again, animalistaiclly driven things such as sex,food, entertaiment etc. The thinking should explore strange/unnatural levels of thining for the body/animal.
If speaking jokingly, one should surpise his/her own body/pet/animal by his/her own originality.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 1:07:17 GMT
I agree, sleep is important for the body`s health, night.
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 11:38:22 GMT
Immanuel Hi,
Ive been reading more of Isaiah and it seems to talk a good amount of things such as "Gods wrath" "Gods judgment" and etc. It seems to have a good amount of hate and willingnes to punish from the side of God. When you read Isaiah one gets a sense of a hateful God, no?
Isaiah 14
A Prophecy Against the Philistines 28 This prophecy came in the year King Ahaz died:
29 Do not rejoice, all you Philistines, that the rod that struck you is broken; from the root of that snake will spring up a viper, its fruit will be a darting, venomous serpent. 30 The poorest of the poor will find pasture, and the needy will lie down in safety. But your root I will destroy by famine; it will slay your survivors.
31 Wail, you gate! Howl, you city! Melt away, all you Philistines! A cloud of smoke comes from the north, and there is not a straggler in its ranks. 32 What answer shall be given to the envoys of that nation? “The Lord has established Zion, and in her his afflicted people will find refuge.”
Isaiah 14 “I will rise up against them,” declares the Lord Almighty. “I will wipe out Babylon’s name and survivors, her offspring and descendants,” declares the Lord. 23 “I will turn her into a place for owls and into swampland; I will sweep her with the broom of destruction,” declares the Lord Almighty.
24 The Lord Almighty has sworn,
“Surely, as I have planned, so it will be, and as I have purposed, so it will happen. 25 I will crush the Assyrian in my land; on my mountains I will trample him down. His yoke will be taken from my people, and his burden removed from their shoulders.”
26 This is the plan determined for the whole world; this is the hand stretched out over all nations. 27 For the Lord Almighty has purposed, and who can thwart him? His hand is stretched out, and who can turn it back?
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Post by hftwo on Nov 11, 2018 11:41:03 GMT
Isaiah 1 Hear the word of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the instruction of our God, you people of Gomorrah! 11 “The multitude of your sacrifices— what are they to me?” says the Lord. “I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. 12 When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? 13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies. 14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. 15 When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood! 16 Wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight; stop doing wrong. 17 Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.
18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,” says the Lord. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. 19 If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the good things of the land; 20 but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword.”
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 11, 2018 19:54:33 GMT
Yes, I know about that. The writing style occasionally seems to change too in Isaiah and so it might be a corruption, the original seems to even change Semitic language between Aramaic and Hebrew according to sources.
In some sections of Isaiah the "God" is calmer than in others.
The funny thing is, when Semitic languages refer to "God" it is what I have been speaking of, that the word refers to someone's being and not a person called God. This is the inference of ignorant clergymen too incompetent to deliver a proper translation.
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