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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 10:02:23 GMT
When does one know if He/She is Totally Complete already? Does it become so that one day one just wakes up and thinks to himself/herself "I think I'm a Totally Complete being already"
So one can have peace of heart when one is at the verge of death knowing that one is totally Complete and one's fruit/spirit is ripe/mature and thus/consequently is ready to be picked up by Elohim from the garden/Earth.
However, even the term that the spirit is mature/in total completion/fully ripe makes no total sense. Does it mean that the spirit reached its 100% potential of Maturity/development/Potential-Advancement?
Shouldn't it make more sense - to think that The Individual/Spirit Can and Will advance further by his/her own choice/will of course because at the end of the day nobody is forcing the individual to advance.
Or does it imply that the individual is complete/ripe from the point of view of earthly-existence/the garden, but it does not imply that the individual cannot ripe further in the next existence?, Because, that what makes the most logical sense, does it?
At the same time, I see the Immanuel and the people in the forum try to use as perfect logic as possible to understand the mechanisms of matters such as like these, however here is an important question, Is it always what is the most logical reason/sense - explanation that is the true one? Do you not think that there is a bias in this kind of thinking, and the bias is that in order to find the truth of the matter we are trying to find the most logical explanation to the things, which means that we imply that that, that what makes most logical sense is the true explanation, always. However, how true and bulletproof is this idea?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 13:59:54 GMT
When does one know if He/She is Totally Complete already? Does it become so that one day one just wakes up and thinks to himself/herself "I think I'm a Totally Complete being already" So one can have peace of heart when one is at the verge of death knowing that one is totally Complete and one's fruit/spirit is ripe/mature and thus/consequently is ready to be picked up by Elohim from the garden/Earth. However, even the term that the spirit is mature/in total completion/fully ripe makes no total sense. Does it mean that the spirit reached its 100% potential of Maturity/development/Potential-Advancement? Shouldn't it make more sense - to think that The Individual/Spirit Can and Will advance further by his/her own choice/will of course because at the end of the day nobody is forcing the individual to advance. Or does it imply that the individual is complete/ripe from the point of view of earthly-existence/the garden, but it does not imply that the individual cannot ripe further in the next existence?, Because, that what makes the most logical sense, does it? At the same time, I see the Immanuel and the people in the forum try to use as perfect logic as possible to understand the mechanisms of matters such as like these, however here is an important question, Is it always what is the most logical reason/sense - explanation that is the true one? Do you not think that there is a bias in this kind of thinking, and the bias is that in order to find the truth of the matter we are trying to find the most logical explanation to the things, which means that we imply that that, that what makes most logical sense is the true explanation, always. However, how true and bulletproof is this idea? The word logic means knowing, it is a Greek word originally and when you have sound logic it is because you knew how to be wise about something. In order to be logical you thus need to have the understanding of something and the more understanding you have the more logical you are. There is always only one logic, there cannot be multiple logics, one can only have a flawed logic and it means lacking knowledge. You are good in pointing out, asking what total completeness really is and if it is really achievable. The phrase is mentioned in the first chapter of the Manifestation scripture and it mentions the title is entitled to the person who learns to develop. But can you ever reach a point you cannot evolve any further? Perhaps the phrase in the first chapter speaks of a way of describing a true, real Being is only that if he or she learns to develop. The whole point is existence, to exist and Totally Complete Being is probably better to perceive as completely existent as a Being. So I think you might have understood the term incorrectly, it was never about becoming complete, reach a point where you cannot evolve but reaching a status of being totally conscious, existent.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 14:05:34 GMT
I think I can see what You mean, Immanuel. However, thus one day, one just realizes that one has achieved the status of a being totally conscious, existent, as in your own words? Because as it seems the Elohim do not spoon feed and do not just directly communicate and tell things to folk down here so to speak allegorically. So again it seems the being itself must do and realize. But when does one get the amenu that one has reached that condition, thus one is ripe so to speak?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 15:02:07 GMT
You probably notice it yourself.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 16:00:32 GMT
Do You?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 16:21:26 GMT
Yes, I do.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 16:22:36 GMT
But it does not mean I cannot evolve mentally any further.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 16:29:41 GMT
You find out about yourself when you learn about developing your being, and do so, it comes along the way. You only must be heading that way.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 16:36:07 GMT
The remedy is quite simple, or rather very straightforward, it involves losing that part of yourself which is not really you but something you may believe is you and is the animal Homo sapiens, and its drive influences on your being, and to be not Being so to say.
The only solution is to refuse being what it is but decide to be what you can be, and what you were destined to become if successful. The life of this world is only short and you have no use to collect what you have to some temporary joy, it is quite meaningless. You live to die to then be reborn to die again. That is quite the curse in my opinion.
What is so excitable about being this primitive creature anyways? Get some distance and it often disgusts you on the other hand.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 16:37:40 GMT
I think I can see what You mean even though it might sound "vague", and by that I mean it might sound not specific enough for the random passersby on this thread. However, I think I see that it is about finding oneself, while the world does its best to make you lose yourself, and funnily enough, it does it through both the happy-times and sad-times which both are just part of the spectacle to make sure you get carried away by the main-stream.
So in this sense, when people try to understand the Elohim, by calling them angels, aliens or Gods, or try to identify them as another type of race as like the human-race for example. But the truth verily might be that the Elohim, each individual who makes the Elohim are not part of any race because each individual in Elohim is a totally unique individual who himself/herself created himself/herself, thus do not need to associate with a race, in order to copy and imitate a particular race`s characteristics. How great is the creativity of such development, where the master does not shape the character like a sculpture, but the sculpture itself shapes itself whatever it wishes itself to BE, and thus it transforms itself into a master itself, first and foremost a master of itself.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 16:55:07 GMT
Do you think existence has any boundaries as you look for an answer which is within a box?
You need to think outside of that box and see it is not concrete but rather abstract. If you see this as vague it is because you expect a typical human answer and why so many humans cannot accept a paranormal and supernatural cause for their existence as they always need something physical to relate to. But perhaps the truth behind existence has no physical source related to it?
Quantum Physics experts have already begun to grasp the universe is just a projection of some energetic source which gives shape to matter and this source is unexplainable, simply there. That is also the answer to why the answer must be that the universe has no physical form but that is only a projection and so an illusion for mankind to experience it as such.
Behind the barriers of the world, beyond that energy source, lies another world where matter does not exist but mere Existence. This is why you ought to strive to exist since if you do not exist completely and independently, you have nothing there to be for. Do you see the connection to why you are expected to exist as an independent being and not as Homo sapiens, which is remotely controlled like a robot?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 16:57:06 GMT
Jesus knew more 2000 years ago than those Quantum Physics professors today.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 16:58:43 GMT
And interesting question is for Me, did Jesus get his knowledge by thinking/contemplating-alone?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 17:23:28 GMT
Well, the way I understood it the man was exceptionally successful in a cycle and reborn so close to the goal, you found him in the shape as according to the stories. He was born Being so to say, so it was easy for him to see everything as it is.
His mother was Miryem, Jesus did not have a biological father and so apparently was born Being to some extent supernatural. In old tradition you would NEVER refer to a child directly to the mother unless there was no father, so this reference is a sign in itself. The Manifestation (El Qaraan) does not mention Jesus without saying "ibn Miryem" (the child of Mary), this is an exaggerated marking of his nature. It both invalidates that he would be "biological son of God" and that he would have a father at all, Jesus had no biological father, it is as plain as that, he was born to a woman who miraculously had a fetus in her womb with no male part involved. It is arguable whether the man had a gender at all. He was no normal child.
Nevertheless, the tales about Jesus seems to hint to that he had a foster father who was the fiancé of Miryem at the time and who was embarrassed because she had become pregnant as he thought she had been unchaste as was the custom at the time. If we are to believe the stories, Jesus grew up and matured into his role with time and not like some tales say about him being mature from being a baby. The stories reveal he was very impressive in understanding though, as a child he went to the synagogue and people were impressed by his unexpected knowledge of the scriptures at the time. So he was a wonder-child in many ways. At the same time he appears to have been mocked because "he was the son of a carpenter" since they seem to have indicated towards some kind of belief in a caste system in the stories, placing Jesus lower than themselves among the clergy.
Apparently, one was measured by one's riches and fame, as it has always been. A poor carpenter's son had no chance of being acknowledged as a spiritual man because of the origin. Not to mention the clergy was expecting some sort of warrior, powerful and glorious champion and not the simple man Jesus.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 17:35:25 GMT
What is interesting is in a case of becomes a very Developed/Strong Being and if one wanted one could become strong and powerful if one wanted, no? Because the man whom the Clergy saw as strong and powerful had genes which in turn gave them high levels of Growth-hormone and Androgenic hormones which in case of their body's puberty gave them the strong and big bodies. However, who created this world, with its genes and hormones, and all these biological mechanisms which in turn we perceive through our human eyes as someone being strong/manly/majestic-looking etc. The Elohim? If by growing the being one become an associate with the Elohim, one, in theory, should be able to affect the body on a cellular level, no? It is quite interesting as to how much-limited control an individual has in this world and this human-body. As Jesus said in the gospels if it, of course, true in its sayings: Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 17:41:21 GMT
So it seems some things are never under control of the being even though the being might already be a part of Elohim, although still on earth connected/bound to one of the homo-sapien bodies. Or one does become a part of Elohim only when one is freed from the bond of the homo-sapien body?
In other words why wouldn't a spiritual man with the power of the Mind (the origin of Elohim) transfer himself into a perfect looking/physical manifestation of beauty and strength and use this in order to make the earthly/simple minded individuals on earth at least pay attention that they might at least finally awaken their minds and start to think.
Why must it have been so sad in the case of Jesus or if we take his disciples for example who which in my best knowledge all were executed Why do people who represent The Elohim here on earth be persecuted and go through the humiliation from the hands of the humans who are objectively lesser minds. Why not at least once in the timeline of earth, make not a humiliating timeline for an insightful person(s) but a glorious one, to show all the unbelieving and simple-minded humanity what Elohim is and what Elohim can.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 17:43:18 GMT
Jesus and I were born in two vastly different cultures and situations. Jesus was born in an utterly religious society (even if hypocritical) and where virtually everyone had some sort of belief in the supernatural, whereas I am born in the straight opposite environment, I am born in an atheist society where very few are religious and believe in the supernatural, and many do not dare to even admit they believe in such without being afraid of being mocked.
My path to a spiritual understanding was through denial all around me, no one believed or even cared about any supernatural existence besides what you see and I was told to not even spend my time to contemplate about life questions, although which I never followed anyways but I always thought regardless of what I was told. I was led astray due to ignorance although temporarily in my childhood and youth, I did certainly not live a developmental life prior to my great realizations I made over the years to come.
Fortunately my attempts to live a "normal" life made me depressed so I was wise enough to seek a way away from that and that was my ignition we can say. It is basically over the past 10 years of my life where things did truly accelerate, I did live in fog before that.
We can say Jesus and I were born in a similar condition mentally, only that it was in two vastly different communities and I did not have the same helpful surroundings to realize things before later, whereas Miryem was actually a quite spiritual woman and she had contact with John the Baptist and a good cleric. Jesus had all he needed around him. That does not say I am jealous, but the vast difference is a typical Elahem story part, the contrast of two lives can be a sign.
In ways it is a greater accomplishment for me to take myself out of where I am than for Jesus to achieve what he did, it is depending on the perspective. You need to compare our lives wisely to understand.
Jesus was brought to study Aramaic scriptures early in life, had a cleric for a teacher and could see things as a child early whereas I did not set my eyes into Semitic scriptures until adulthood. Jesus was smart, clever, I am not much worse, but I did never have the right outlook, no motivation for the similar purpose.
Furthermore, Jesus never had a taste of luxury, milk and honey for his whole life whereas I grew up in a life of milk and honey, I had to learn to abstain in a world engrossed in milk and honey, and this is quite an achievement since the human body is prone to just imitate blindly and lose the mind.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 17:48:16 GMT
Immanuel, so being an insightful one, what do You want to accomplish, what is your mission? Do you decide yourself or is it different? If as an insightful one you want to spread Your teachings in order to help others get closer to their real-selves, do You think this website/forum is sufficient enough in order to get to a relatively good portion of humanity?
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 17:53:25 GMT
According to a google search: "As of June 2018, 55.1% of the world's population has internet access. In 2015, the International Telecommunication Union estimated about 3.2 billion people, or almost half of the world's population, would be online by the end of the year"
So in theory, almost half of the human population has access to the internet. You are spreading your message(s)/teachings on the internet, although on a singular-dedicated/website/forum as to my knowledge. What percentage of the 3.2 billion internet users do You think will come across to this website/forum? Do you plan to keep the same strategy-(ies) or do You plan to use/add other strategy-(ies), if I may ask?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 18:05:56 GMT
So it was easier for Jesus to abstain from something he never had than me for something I had.
But I have realized I always had a detachment from the bodily drive from childhood, I never had the common motivations and dreams of my brethren and why I never succeeded at school but was driven depressed by it because I saw no purpose of really doing what everyone did. Yet I am mentally far superior to most people, I just have no interest in improving what the body can do.
Alike Jesus, that realization has driven me to be a "nobody" as many people would call it in a condescending way. I see no reason in becoming famous, it does not interest me. Most things in life bore me, I become bored very easily, in fact I have to fight myself in order not to fall into boredom. People tire me, it is in fact my key signature, I am prophesied to say "Not only do you people tire me mentally, but you only tire me down to my mere existence" (meaning you tire me so much I do not want to live). Anyways, I did not write the prophecy, it only foretold my way of feeling not only fed up with but fed up into wanting not to exist. The prophet writing it was insightful, he wrote my words exactly, I appreciated reading exactly how I feel, it was a relief actually ironically enough.
Now not exactly you do tire me mentally, but mankind overall, so do not take it negatively. I am tired to living in an unspiritual, aimless world, which is nearly worse than the one during the life of Jesus, even if they were sure primitive! People are closer to knowledge that the world is in essence supernatural yet deny that fact before their very eyes and live in some kind of delusion rather, that tires me so badly and I many days feel careless about being a so-called prophet at all, for a crowd who care less or want a typical stupid religious prophet who teach nonsense, Muhammed in the 7th century for example. Who gets more spiritual by living like him?
In fact I do not have a responsibility of being your prophet nor do I need you to acknowledge me as such, and I could care less about the title. Even how I feel towards it should raise some suspicion of who I truly could be. At least 2000 years ago I would get a group of genuinely interested people even if they were fools, now people listen and just get back to their lives, so if they perhaps look at it from my perspective they perhaps understand my reluctance and nonchalance.
Sometimes I wonder if the world has progressed over the past 2000 years or gone backwards, despite all the technology all around. The average person is a fool, and excuse me for saying it, living in their own bubble unaware of their own existence, working for some man or people they do not even know. People are not much freer than in ancient times, the slavery is just on a more subtle level, even worse in my opinion. People want to have so many things they do not need and put themselves in debt.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 18:20:23 GMT
Now if I share a bit of my own Being, I too, I would say was not very "earthly" from as long as I remember, the only commandment which I had a trouble with I would say is the commandment of sex and trying to become famous or recognized, even though these two issues arose when I entered puberty and still give challenge, which again shows how the body effects the person/individual/the self.
And I understand how things work here on earth, it seems like people do not care more about the substance of things but the "aura" around it. For example, people give "magical" attributes to titles and etc. , which in fact are just roles and duties/responsibilities. When you say You are a prophet, I have enough development to realize it does not mean that You are putting a magical title/aura around you to make yourself an object of worship for example. I understand that when you say that there are more logical explanations/reasons. When you interpreted it as You being an insightful person in to the matters of the spirit to speak, I genuinely want to know wouldn't it be great/praiseworthy if You could share and teach the knowledge You have with others, who are willing to listen, well at least I can speak for myself and I am hungry for knowledge. And by looking at the individuals who are regarded as being Prophets in past history, I think we can agree that they all had some sort of mission to carry, well at least to the best of my knowledge, who really knows, there might have been prophets who we in this time don't even know existed but they did and maybe not all prophets were active in teaching other humans or/and doing a type of mission while they are here on earth.
And I am genuinely/sincerely wanted to ask You if You have plans for some sort of prophet-like mission so to speak.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 18:21:25 GMT
According to a google search: "As of June 2018, 55.1% of the world's population has internet access. In 2015, the International Telecommunication Union estimated about 3.2 billion people, or almost half of the world's population, would be online by the end of the year" So in theory, almost half of the human population has access to the internet. You are spreading your message(s)/teachings on the internet, although on a singular-dedicated/website/forum as to my knowledge. What percentage of the 3.2 billion internet users do You think will come across to this website/forum? Do you plan to keep the same strategy-(ies) or do You plan to use/add other strategy-(ies), if I may ask? Compared to Jesus 2000 years ago this is an upgrade definitely, but he used a similar strategy reaching out to a few. It is you who I have contact with who have the responsibility of spreading it further and not me alone, or do you expect me, a human-tired near-suicidal man, to meet with argumentative people who do not even care to listen or contemplate? Like I wrote in the previous post, I barely care about what I am doing, I need you to show some kind of interest and sort of push me into taking this seriously. Is it not unfair to force me to talk to people who make me depressed? This does not say we cannot expand the channels outwards, but is that the responsibility of one man alone? They did not even expect more out of Jesus 2000 years ago so do you expect that from me? I felt it strong enough to launch this forum and somehow maintain and fill it with content. But I wrote what a man needs, I do not know what else to know. Furthermore, you will not be able to guide the majority of the population, barely a minority either, they are too sheepish to even bother with. Not saying you cannot try, but it is not worth going for quantity over quality, this is also why Elahem put it up this way. You cannot recruit the masses, you need to put out the bait on a string on a pole and throw it into the sea and see what you get, that is better and why I run this forum. The intelligent will find their way here. You can on the other hand do the same, but you need to understand what you have learned here and not let your body rule over you and get into superstition and foolishness. If we are fishing for 3.2 billion people, be not surprised that even with the best of effort we only get a dozen people in the end. It is arguable if Jesus even got one in immediate conjunction who were ascended even if they wrote down what he said.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 18:31:02 GMT
Immanuel, it sure commendable what you are trying to do in the forum-if we look at your teachings of showing that the homo-sapien instincts make men alike-each other and do not let persons become real unique-individuals. It makes sense. How could someone claim to be a conscious Being, if one does things by automatically listening to the instinctual-impulses of the body. And I see you do not promote these realizations/ideas by saying, I'm an authority/prophet and just accept what I say as a mere fact just because of my authority. On the contrary, I see you are trying to find the Truth and at the same time put forth your realizations here for everyone to see.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 18:36:54 GMT
Now if I share a bit of my own Being, I too, I would say was not very "earthly" from as long as I remember, the only commandment which I had a trouble with I would say is the commandment of sex and trying to become famous or recognized, even though these two issues arose when I entered puberty and still give challenge, which again shows how the body effects the person/individual/the self. And I understand how things work here on earth, it seems like people do not care more about the substance of things but the "aura" around it. For example, people give "magical" attributes to titles and etc. , which in fact are just roles and duties/responsibilities. When you say You are a prophet, I have enough development to realize it does not mean that You are putting a magical title/aura around you to make yourself an object of worship for example. I understand that when you say that there are more logical explanations/reasons. When you interpreted it as You being an insightful person in to the matters of the spirit to speak, I genuinely want to know wouldn't it be great/praiseworthy if You could share and teach the knowledge You have with others, who are willing to listen, well at least I can speak for myself and I am hungry for knowledge. And by looking at the individuals who are regarded as being Prophets in past history, I think we can agree that they all had some sort of mission to carry, well at least to the best of my knowledge, who really knows, there might have been prophets who we in this time don't even know existed but they did and maybe not all prophets were active in teaching other humans or/and doing a type of mission while they are here on earth. And I am genuinely/sincerely wanted to ask You if You have plans for some sort of prophet-like mission so to speak. I was prophesied to "put the record in order and keep the instruction among my disciples", the text explicitly tells it that way. That is the essence of how far my prophetic mission goes. I am Immanuel which word means in Semitic ILM (Innate Letter Meanings) simplified "understander-like". What do you expect of me except teaching? I have tried to overwhelm people with the depth of my insight, perhaps I try too hard even sometimes and people miss the point. Moses name is in Semitic (Arabic) letters موسى and his name is very simple and straightforward. م (mii) is a grammatical prefix in the context, وس (waas) is a word actually and it means model or image of, and ى (uu = unsubstantiated ي) is once again a grammatical ending. Semantically it means "Thereof (its) model/image". Wrong is that it means "taken out of water or whatever else has been said by people over the years. Jesus name actually builds on Moses name, they're linguistically very similar, if you understand the linguistics. Jesus is actually pronounced Eysuu and it is built on the letters عيسى. It means "Gained the Model/Image" plainly written. Immanuel on the other hand is not alike but it means "who has understood".
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 18:41:03 GMT
Logically in order to get to people listen and take these realizations seriously, it seems that the strategy must be to explain things in scientific ways without any logical fallacies, such as Argument from authority and etc. If one thinks clearly, Truth can be only one, no? So if one has the mind to see Turth for being truth, One should just tell things in ways that makes the most sense, and when things make most sense than they don't need any hocus-pocus in order to let people listen to and contemplate upon it.
But again realizing that the human body and its autmatic drives/the instincts are something that should not be accpeted as being a natural things of order, but something that should be resisted against, seem to be the easiest part of the challange. The hardest part is to take the matter into the hands and fight any instinct as much as possible, as often as possible and as long as possible and find oneself. This is the hardest challenge because it seems that at the end of the day everyone is alone in his/her own battle with his/her own body.
But when people await a Messiah so to speak, they wait for Him to fix the issues for them. But again it seems that this is not how things work, if one wants one should self work on it, because at the end of the day the battle between the mind and the body is a personal battle.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 18:50:38 GMT
So at the end of the day, it is about becoming truly alive and not just a biological-machine with its biologically-programmed wants/needs/seeing way of things. However at the same time here arises some sort of a conflict, the biological-machine/the human is part of this earth and its reality. It seems like the more the person grows in mind the more of a "home" earth seems to be., which again might be so because of the lack of like-minded people. If for example, a black person shapes his/her identity with his/her colour of skin and national culture than if this person will at some point of time live in a pure caucasian neighbourhood, He/She will try to find like-minded people of his/her own ethnicity. However a person who in general cannot relate not to one or many cultures, but the humanity and human way of thinking in general, the person might find himself/herself lonely so to speak. But again question is, is "loneliness" an instinct and do Elohim feel/can feel ever lonely?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 18:57:23 GMT
By the way, Eysua could also mean "who adds to model", it is quite symbiotic with the message called Enjeel that he came with which means "elaboration".
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 19:09:42 GMT
So both Moses and Jesus were insightful ones, and at this part of history, people regard them as Prophets. However, does one become part of Elohim only by being an insighful one? Or if one has an enough developed mind to be considered a member of Elohim, one is automatically/also can be called and refer to as being a part of the circle of the insightful ones.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 19:30:47 GMT
Logically in order to get to people listen and take these realizations seriously, it seems that the strategy must be to explain things in scientific ways without any logical fallacies, such as Argument from authority and etc. If one thinks clearly, Truth can be only one, no? So if one has the mind to see Turth for being truth, One should just tell things in ways that makes the most sense, and when things make most sense than they don't need any hocus-pocus in order to let people listen to and contemplate upon it. But again realizing that the human body and its autmatic drives/the instincts are something that should not be accpeted as being a natural things of order, but something that should be resisted against, seem to be the easiest part of the challange. The hardest part is to take the matter into the hands and fight any instinct as much as possible, as often as possible and as long as possible and find oneself. This is the hardest challenge because it seems that at the end of the day everyone is alone in his/her own battle with his/her own body. But when people await a Messiah so to speak, they wait for Him to fix the issues for them. But again it seems that this is not how things work, if one wants one should self work on it, because at the end of the day the battle between the mind and the body is a personal battle. "Scientifically correct" is just a man-made term which is often very biased by people who believe they know something, it must not be true logic. In case you have not noticed I try to bring this deeply into logic on the forum and I connect everything to science, as far as it goes, it is an abstract topic after all where science have problems relating to. Logic is the key where science cannot touch the subject itself. Even without a touchable entity you can through logic reach very far, and you can even in this logical theorizing prove the supernatural to be a necessity to exist for the world to exist. It is illogical to claim the opposite actually, those who are atheists (if we say it means disbelieve in a supernatural existence) cannot reason on a rational level because of societal bias and a stereotype of what is rational reasoning and a painted picture of what the divine is (an angry old bearded man on the Moon). Ancient Greek philosophers were more intelligent than that in many ways and that is in prehistoric times. They did accept a supernatural background to their existence but reasoned fairly well in what the divine is. It is not my responsibility to fix who you are, it is up to yourselves. Just alike the image of "God" that people have, we are not to spoon feed you as long as you believe in us or some illusion like that. You are yourselves independent if you choose to work on that side of yourselves. All I can ever be is sharing of my understanding and through that help you understand enough to take action in proper ways. With no religious activities, worship, rituals or "deeds in the name of God", I really have nothing to lead you into, it is your future. Religion is an invention of man in order for selected (self selected) people to feel important. Only a man who does not seek that attention is a true spiritual teacher. And I am only a teacher of who sees me as teacher, I do not require the title for the sake of it, it is just for the purpose. I dislike titles anyways. Be who you are to be. "God" said "I am being (the one) who am I". And Genesis said: "God created man in HIS IMAGE", what kind of other illusion have people tried to teach it? You are a copy of "God", very Genesis, the first existing piece of lore, says you are created in his image! And like written a couple of sentences before here, "I am being who AM I", as was allegedly told to Moses. Also Jesus spoke of "I AM in the Father and the Father is in ME", he referred to the same thing. He did not say he is separate, he said I am in God and God is in me" literally, he talked about the symbiotic existence in Elahem. Jesus said "do like me and you will all be children of the father", that contradicts the Christian belief of "the only son" bla bla. That is nonsense! So what now do you think about the supernatural? Do you think you are supposed to show divine traits or be "God's" slave? If you are truly understanding you understand you are just like a clone of God (if to use modern terms), very potent and can be very mentally powerful. Only that body makes you primitive! Stand firmly above the flesh spiritually, and you are fulfilling your purpose. The body was meant to be a stimulus to develop you but it can also be your doom, you need to accept the guidance which says the body is your enemy, just like the religious people say "Satan is an avowed enemy" without knowing it refers not to a person but the body's instinct. You do not fight a person, you are fighting against a poor animal which does not know better, you need to be its master, not kill it because it is your host. Rule over your body like a master rules over his dog, pat it on the head and smile, not slap it and tell it firmly "no!" and it will obey when it feels it trusts the master. Just like with a dog, it will help to be shrewd.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 19:43:07 GMT
Immanuel, what you say makes sense, at least I can speak from my own. However I would like to very much ask You, how does one get to talk to Elohim? Because the more I develop and the less human I become the more lonely I am in the company of humans with human-like agenda`s. So I will be honest with You if I say that to talk To Elohim would be a big willingness of mine, and I'm sure they can hear my thoughts now that I'm thinking this. Because for example when I read The Bible, there are instances in where, when Prophets talk to Elohim, it is very specific. For example in the case of the prophet Elija. Where Elijah was told to go and stand on the mount before the Lord and was then talking with the Lord. Or for example when Moses saw a burning bush but he noticed that the bush was on fire but it was not burning up so He came closer and started to talk to God. What is interesting to note is that at first the text says "There an angel of the Lord appeared to him from a burning bush." and than later the text says "When the Lord saw Moses coming near the bush, he called him by name, and Moses answered, “Here I am.” " So by this we can conclude that one of persons of Elohim talked to Moses that day. 5 God replied, “Don’t come any closer. 1 Kings 19:9-18 English Standard Version (ESV) The Lord Speaks to Elijah 9 There he came to a cave and lodged in it. And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, and he said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” 10 He said, “I have been very jealous for the Lord, the God of hosts. For the people of Israel have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword, and I, even I only, am left, and they seek my life, to take it away.” 11 And he said, “Go out and stand on the mount before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore the mountains and broke in pieces the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 And after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire the sound of a low whisper. 13 And when Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his cloak and went out and stood at the entrance of the cave. And behold, there came a voice to him and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” 14 He said, “I have been very jealous for the Lord, the God of hosts. For the people of Israel have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword, and I, even I only, am left, and they seek my life, to take it away.” 15 And the Lord said to him, “Go, return on your way to the wilderness of Damascus. And when you arrive, you shall anoint Hazael to be king over Syria. 16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall anoint to be king over Israel, and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah you shall anoint to be prophet in your place. 17 And the one who escapes from the sword of Hazael shall Jehu put to death, and the one who escapes from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha put to death. 18 Yet I will leave seven thousand in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.”
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