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Post by iscariot on Sept 18, 2015 5:19:47 GMT
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 18, 2015 9:27:12 GMT
There is also a passage (cannot remember which) where it says that in "Hell" people will be given new skins every time the old one has burned away - Mainstream translation. Jahannom (traditionally Hell) is actually where we are now, so there may be a connection. When our Body dies and we fail to be fit for harvest, we are given "new skins" and have to experience this attachment to the Body all over again. The perfected/successful persons are released from the World (Al-ardh) through the Door (Al-Asema) and reside with the Sustainer/Rabb and they become angels. What prevents them to enter through the Door is the amount of weight they have (metaphorically) and only those who travel lightweight will get through or they will have to remain. The one who loved being the animal they were attached to will also have that weight around their neck.
The truth is that the Sustainer/Rabb harvests/picks up people due to their Spiritual growth and that the "separate that Spirit from the Flesh", i.e. from this World and its Outer Layer (Jan جن)
God uses much allegorical language through the prophets and is important to recognize that the above is one way of perceiving this. Seldom has someone given people such intricate elaboration of how things work, but it was prophesied that in this age everything was going to be black on white.
Be safe Emanuel
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Post by iscariot on Sept 18, 2015 10:06:19 GMT
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Post by yusuf on Jan 26, 2016 16:18:15 GMT
There is also a passage (cannot remember which) where it says that in "Hell" people will be given new skins every time the old one has burned away - Mainstream translation. Jahannom (traditionally Hell) is actually where we are now, so there may be a connection. When our Body dies and we fail to be fit for harvest, we are given "new skins" and have to experience this attachment to the Body all over again. The perfected/successful persons are released from the World (Al-ardh) through the Door (Al-Asema) and reside with the Sustainer/Rabb and they become angels. What prevents them to enter through the Door is the amount of weight they have (metaphorically) and only those who travel lightweight will get through or they will have to remain. The one who loved being the animal they were attached to will also have that weight around their neck. The truth is that the Sustainer/Rabb harvests/picks up people due to their Spiritual growth and that the "separate that Spirit from the Flesh", i.e. from this World and its Outer Layer (Jan جن) God uses much allegorical language through the prophets and is important to recognize that the above is one way of perceiving this. Seldom has someone given people such intricate elaboration of how things work, but it was prophesied that in this age everything was going to be black on white. Be safe Emanuel Indeed there is a connection. My next question is, what exactly is Jannah and what is its relation to Jinn and Jahannom? If Jinn is the bodily and we are meant to get not indulge in it,why is there a relation between Jinn and Jannah? If our reward is Jannah, is that where angels reside? I also have trouble understanding what exactly angels are because the current understanding is very silly. Bright beings made of light, wings to fly with, no free will, take orders like soldiers. If we are angels in training, what is the next step after becoming an angel or is that final form a soul takes after being harvested from earth? Also, what is the job of an angel? Yusuf
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 28, 2016 22:51:04 GMT
There is also a passage (cannot remember which) where it says that in "Hell" people will be given new skins every time the old one has burned away - Mainstream translation. Jahannom (traditionally Hell) is actually where we are now, so there may be a connection. When our Body dies and we fail to be fit for harvest, we are given "new skins" and have to experience this attachment to the Body all over again. The perfected/successful persons are released from the World (Al-ardh) through the Door (Al-Asema) and reside with the Sustainer/Rabb and they become angels. What prevents them to enter through the Door is the amount of weight they have (metaphorically) and only those who travel lightweight will get through or they will have to remain. The one who loved being the animal they were attached to will also have that weight around their neck. The truth is that the Sustainer/Rabb harvests/picks up people due to their Spiritual growth and that the "separate that Spirit from the Flesh", i.e. from this World and its Outer Layer (Jan جن) God uses much allegorical language through the prophets and is important to recognize that the above is one way of perceiving this. Seldom has someone given people such intricate elaboration of how things work, but it was prophesied that in this age everything was going to be black on white. Be safe Emanuel Indeed there is a connection. My next question is, what exactly is Jannah and what is its relation to Jinn and Jahannom? If Jinn is the bodily and we are meant to get not indulge in it,why is there a relation between Jinn and Jannah? If our reward is Jannah, is that where angels reside? I also have trouble understanding what exactly angels are because the current understanding is very silly. Bright beings made of light, wings to fly with, no free will, take orders like soldiers. If we are angels in training, what is the next step after becoming an angel or is that final form a soul takes after being harvested from earth? Also, what is the job of an angel? Yusuf Hello Yusuf, First of all one has to relearn what they have learned. There are lots of misconceptions concerning the words you mentioned in your one paragraph. The main word that has any sort of resemblance with "Heaven" is the Arabic word asema اسما, but yet then the word does not really translate well into "heaven". The word asema does share the same root that you use to say a name/attribute in Arabic and you could say it means "correlation" or attribution. In a way I would say it means 'origin' (from where you have come). Many select scholars in the past used the same root to refer to "a small hole besides a bigger one" (perhaps because it is a special attribute rather than in general). What is most important is that this word is basically the same as when you say "b ' ESM Allah". "Jannah" traditional scholars first of all mispronounce as it is spelled جنة Jannateh. ة is a valid Semitic origin letter and it is indeed pronounced "TEH". What it does is to make the pronoun/noun an fixed object in itself compared to if it has been جنه (Jannah or rather Janneh) when it had referred to an external object, if you get what I mean. The relationship of 'Jannateh' (as is usually improperly transliterated and mispronounced jannah) to 'Jinn' (actually 'Jann') is that Jann - ateh uses the same root. I am sad to tell you, but Jannateh is your flesh and bone, i.e. the Body. Al-Jann refers to "the Bodily" and the 'teh' ة of the word makes it an object of itself meaning it simply means 'Body' as Jannateh. There you have your paradise? Not sure how it happened that it was inferred a paradise using this word but the word could perhaps be twisted into meaning "where you can indulge". If you ask me, the interpreters of Quran were only conjecturing and found a word they could tamper with. I am sure they already knew it stems from Jann as a root but many sectarian scholars claimed that it is because this place is "invisible". However, Jann does not even mean invisible whatsoever. That word means "the external layer" of something, even morphologically. Logically, a 'jannateh' is an object that has "external layer", e.g. a human body. It is also the dress of the World and I suppose there are some ancient interpreters who translated it as "the Flesh". Jahannom also uses the same root of Jann and is a kind of acronym because each letter has their own innate meaning in Arabic as well as Aramaic. The letter 'heh' ه refers to attachment and basically morphologically the word Jahannom refers to your attachment to the Flesh (the Bodily). And what is Jahannom by Rabb's own description? Jahannom is a testing ground or development environment. It has been called Purgatory by some Christian sects. They are not far off. Ancient Jews who said they stay in Hell for a counted number of days were not wrong but the lost clerics who tried to interpret Quran did not understand the concept of Hell and they derived a counterargument by merely guessing. If you only knew how little they understood of Quran. Angels (Maleikat) is another misconception. They have no physical form or hence they have no wings and such as they are ethereal. And in fact your ultimate goal in life is to become an Angel. Of course 'al-asema' (what Muslims think is "Jannah") is full of Angels, and you could be one yourself if you are successful. Only the successful ones will enter Heaven and the reward is actually being Angels. There is no middle-way. Either Jahannom or Heaven (asema). There is no physical shape in Heaven but everything is abstract and you are not a primitive animal there. If you have heard of a "light scene" when it comes to Angels this is because that is their raw originating force which surrounds everything in the World and if that is concentrated in one location then you will have a kind of "light show". That is only because they are interacting with the World, but they are not really visible at all. The Arabic word that we use to say Angel is Maleikateh and it means "manager". That is your "job" if to call it that. You manage everything in the Rabb's image. The Rabb exists in you. You can accomplish becoming an Angel before you leave this World although you have to drag along with your Body until its interim is over and the Spirit is released. The way you feel that you are becoming an Angel is that you know and can do things you could barely imagine previously. It is mainly on the mental level that you sense it. As you heard me stating, the word means 'manager' and you obviously see that you can with the increased influence determine events. That would be blasphemous in the doctrine of Muslims to say, but this is how things really are. And Muslims have no first-hand right on "religious lore" but Jesus knew Aramaic and taught well and his legacy is decently preserved in the Biblical Gospels. Your first objective in life is to realize that you are deceived by the World in which you live. Rabb created it as a contradiction and is part of testing of potential. Be safe Amenuel
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Post by yusuf on Jan 28, 2016 23:38:22 GMT
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Post by yusuf on Jan 28, 2016 23:48:37 GMT
Hello Yusuf, First of all one has to relearn what they have learned. There are lots of misconceptions concerning the words you mentioned in your one paragraph. The main word that has any sort of resemblance with "Heaven" is the Arabic word asema اسما, but yet then the word does not really translate well into "heaven". The word asema does share the same root that you use to say a name/attribute in Arabic and you could say it means "correlation" or attribution. In a way I would say it means 'origin' (from where you have come). Many select scholars in the past used the same root to refer to "a small hole besides a bigger one" (perhaps because it is a special attribute rather than in general). What is most important is that this word is basically the same as when you say "b ' ESM Allah". "Jannah" traditional scholars first of all mispronounce as it is spelled جنة Jannateh. ة is a valid Semitic origin letter and it is indeed pronounced "TEH". What it does is to make the pronoun/noun an fixed object in itself compared to if it has been جنه (Jannah or rather Janneh) when it had referred to an external object, if you get what I mean. The relationship of 'Jannateh' (as is usually improperly transliterated and mispronounced jannah) to 'Jinn' (actually 'Jann') is that Jann - ateh uses the same root. I am sad to tell you, but Jannateh is your flesh and bone, i.e. the Body. Al-Jann refers to "the Bodily" and the 'teh' ة of the word makes it an object of itself meaning it simply means 'Body' as Jannateh. There you have your paradise? Not sure how it happened that it was inferred a paradise using this word but the word could perhaps be twisted into meaning "where you can indulge". If you ask me, the interpreters of Quran were only conjecturing and found a word they could tamper with. I am sure they already knew it stems from Jann as a root but many sectarian scholars claimed that it is because this place is "invisible". However, Jann does not even mean invisible whatsoever. That word means "the external layer" of something, even morphologically. Logically, a 'jannateh' is an object that has "external layer", e.g. a human body. It is also the dress of the World and I suppose there are some ancient interpreters who translated it as "the Flesh". Jahannom also uses the same root of Jann and is a kind of acronym because each letter has their own innate meaning in Arabic as well as Aramaic. The letter 'heh' ه refers to attachment and basically morphologically the word Jahannom refers to your attachment to the Flesh (the Bodily). And what is Jahannom by Rabb's own description? Jahannom is a testing ground or development environment. It has been called Purgatory by some Christian sects. They are not far off. Ancient Jews who said they stay in Hell for a counted number of days were not wrong but the lost clerics who tried to interpret Quran did not understand the concept of Hell and they derived a counterargument by merely guessing. If you only knew how little they understood of Quran. Angels (Maleikat) is another misconception. They have no physical form or hence they have no wings and such as they are ethereal. And in fact your ultimate goal in life is to become an Angel. Of course 'al-asema' (what Muslims think is "Jannah") is full of Angels, and you could be one yourself if you are successful. Only the successful ones will enter Heaven and the reward is actually being Angels. There is no middle-way. Either Jahannom or Heaven (asema). There is no physical shape in Heaven but everything is abstract and you are not a primitive animal there. If you have heard of a "light scene" when it comes to Angels this is because that is their raw originating force which surrounds everything in the World and if that is concentrated in one location then you will have a kind of "light show". That is only because they are interacting with the World, but they are not really visible at all. The Arabic word that we use to say Angel is Maleikateh and it means "manager". That is your "job" if to call it that. You manage everything in the Rabb's image. The Rabb exists in you. You can accomplish becoming an Angel before you leave this World although you have to drag along with your Body until its interim is over and the Spirit is released. The way you feel that you are becoming an Angel is that you know and can do things you could barely imagine previously. It is mainly on the mental level that you sense it. As you heard me stating, the word means 'manager' and you obviously see that you can with the increased influence determine events. That would be blasphemous in the doctrine of Muslims to say, but this is how things really are. And Muslims have no first-hand right on "religious lore" but Jesus knew Aramaic and taught well and his legacy is decently preserved in the Biblical Gospels. Your first objective in life is to realize that you are deceived by the World in which you live. Rabb created it as a contradiction and is part of testing of potential. Be safe Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 31, 2016 12:05:12 GMT
Hello yusuf,
It seems you have issues with the quoting which works differently on this forum platform. If you quote anything you have to write your reply beneath the bubble that contains the quote. Its line-out can be a bit vague I can agree on certain monitors.
Otherwise I find that this platform is much better than the one on Free-Minds. I also installed some add-ons I found useful such as "quick quotes" making it possible to mark a segment of text and it immediately is made a quote if you push the button *quick quote*.
If you prefer code over design you can choose code mode on your posts, the default is graphical. Then you have the usual [.quote] tags visible (do not use the dot).
Be safe Amenuel
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