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Post by hftwo on Jul 14, 2019 14:33:53 GMT
Hope can be bad when One is doing nothing to bring change but just hopes that things will get better.
But what is "better", really? To do this question justice we must think from the outside. Is being faster better than being slower? Depends on the occasion and situation. Isn't better to be faster when You are participating in a 100m Olympic Running-Race? But what if one lives on a planet where there are an endless multitude of holes on the ground spread across randomly, running faster would be a risky endeavor, but having the ability to transport oneself slowly would be better no? Is being better-looking better or worse? Depends on the occasions and situation. Isn't it better to be the worse-looking-female when there is a serial rapist roaming on the streets nearby?
So as we can see the idea of something being better than the other thing, can also be polar-opposites due to a change in circumstances and situations.
What makes us our situation unique here on earth is that We can realize these things if we want to it seems we can many things, but most people lack confidence in themselves. That's why material attachment or any kind of attachment is a useless endeavor if One is 100% confident in themselves, which doesn't mean that one cannot progress in his/her evolution further, it just means that one is content with themselves at all times. However, for most people, it seems to not be the case as people seek external things all the time, which shows that they lack confidence in themselves.
If anything We can be certain that it is the unshakability we are after, becoming like a statue made of a such withstanding/unshakeable material that nothing could throw it off balance, no positives and no negatives. This it seems what being a "Completely Complete Being" is about, or one aspect of it at the least.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 14, 2019 14:59:03 GMT
I don't think it is a coincidence that in the Nag-Hammadi scripture by the name "The Secret Book of John/The Apocryphon of John". It says of Jesus speaking these things :
Where Jesus says to John this : Understand my lessons; Share them with any others who have received the spirit, Who are from the immovable race of perfect humanity.”
The Inexpressible One
The One rules all. Nothing has authority over it. It is the God. It is Father of everything, Holy One The invisible one over everything. It is uncontaminated Pure light no eye can bear to look within.
The One is the Invisible Spirit. It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God. It is more than just God.
Nothing is above it. Nothing rules it. Since everything exists within it It does not exist within anything. Since it is not dependent on anything It is eternal.
It is absolutely complete and so needs nothing. It is utterly perfect Light.
The One is incomprehensible Perfectly free from corruption. Not “perfect” Not “blessed” Not “divine” But superior to such concepts.
Neither physical nor unphysical Neither immense nor infinitesimal It is impossible to specify in quantity or quality For it is beyond knowledge.
The One is not a being among other beings It is vastly superior But it is not “superior.”
It is outside of realms of being and time For whatever is within realms of being was created And whatever is within time had time allotted to it The One receives nothing from anything. It simply apprehends itself in its own perfect light
The One is majestic. The One is measureless majesty
Chief of all Realms Producing all realms
(...)
immovable /ɪˈmuːvəb(ə)l/ adjective 1. not able to be moved.
Jesus talks about the Immovable Race of Perfect Humanity in many occasions in this specific text and this what this reality/project is about, it is about of bringing forth a Immovable Race of Perfect Humanity/Beings/Deities.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 14, 2019 15:01:36 GMT
It seems that This reality of ours is like Durability/Quality stress-test of Being, it is like some people on the Internet make videos where they take different Brand-Smart Phones and do stress tests on the phones, throw them from tall distance, run hardware/software intensive software, etc, in the end, to see which phone is the most stress-resistant.
The Creator(s) have no moral obligation because this reality is 100% figment of The Creator(s) imagination/simulation, the only thing that is real in this imagination/simulation that we part of is Our Minds/Being(s) if one even has a conceived one already, if not then one is not more worthy then a rock which is made of the same atoms/matter like anything in this reality. That's why The Creator(s) has no need of anything that is part of this matter/reality because He/They himself/themselves created it if they wanted it they could just create it, what would then they "want" from this matter/reality of ours?
Do they need creation? They don't need anything that they could create themselves for themselves, that's why the logical answer is that they need LIFE! They Need A Truly Living Independent Being/Deity/Person. That is something that is truly worthy because it is its own Being.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 14, 2019 15:17:01 GMT
Yes, I see that I might have written things off-topic of this thread, but still useful in understanding the overall image, it is something that I need to work on, because I tend to go off-topic if I catch an curious/interesting chain of thought in my Mind. Yes and I agree that emotion is a program which hinders ones Mind-Life/Being, makes one slave to feelings, be it sad or positive ones. Apparently Jesus calls the succesfull Personas of this project/reality of ours, The Unmoved Race I asked the Savior, “Lord, will every soul be saved and enter the pure light?”
He replied, “You are asking an important question, one it will be impossible to answer for anyone who is not a member of the unmoved race. They are the people upon whom the Spirit of Life will descend and the power will enable them to be saved and to become perfect and worthy of greatness. They expunge evil from themselves and they will care nothing for wickedness, wanting only that which is not corrupt. They will achieve freedom from rage, envy, jealousy, desire, or craving.”
“The physical body will negatively effect them. They wear it as they look forward to the time when they will meet up with those who will remove it. Those people deserve indestructible eternal life. They endure everything, bearing up under everything that happens so that they can deserve the good and inherit life eternal.”
Then I asked him, “Lord, what about the souls who didn’t do these things even though the Spirit of Life’s power descended on them?“
He answered, “If the Spirit descends to people they will be transformed and saved. The power descends on everyone and, without it, no one can even stand up. After they are born, if the Spirit of Life increases in them, power comes to them and their souls are strengthened. Nothing then can leave them astray into wickedness. But if the artificial spirit comes into people, it leads them astray.”
Then I said, “Lord, when souls come out of the flesh where do they go?”
He replied, smiling, “If the soul is strong it has more of power than it has of the artificial spirit and so it flees from wickedness. With the assistance of the Incorruptible One that soul is saved and it attains eternal rest.”
I then asked him, “Lord, what of the souls of the people who do not know whose people they are? Where do they go?”
He responded, “In those people the artificial spirit has grown strong and they have gone astray. Their souls are burdened, drawn to wickedness, and cast into forgetfulness.”
“When they come forth from the body, such a soul is given over to the powers created by the rulers, bound in chains, and cast into prison again. Around and around it goes until it manages to become free from forgetfulness through knowledge. And so, eventually, it becomes perfect and is saved.”
Then I asked, “Lord, how does the soul shrink down so as to be able to enter its mother or a man?
He was happy that I asked this and said, “You are truly blessed because you have understood. The soul should be guided by another within whom is the Spirit of Life. It will be saved by that means and accordingly will not have to enter a body again.
And I said, “Lord, what happens to the souls of people who achieved true knowledge, but who turned away from it?”
He said to me, “Demons of poverty will take them to a place where there is no possibility of repentance. There they will stay until the time when those who blasphemed against the spirit will be tortured and subjected to punishment forever.”
- "The Secret Book of John/The Apocryphon of John".
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 14, 2019 16:12:39 GMT
The clarity of language is apparently lost in the translations you present, but yes the overall message comes across. However, it is sometimes easy to misinterpret a translation like that and I know multiple instances when Semitic languages are incorrectly translated into another language.
Even the Bible with its New Testament is horribly off many times and it can be seen that the interpreters have tried hard to suit their agenda of how Jesus is God's son into the picture. The source of the New Testament is valid however and the clergymen behind it had sincere thoughts most probably but it became biased by the flesh, including the standard necessity of worship of something. But Jesus said "if you do like me you will all become children of God", kind of nullifying the doctrine of the Christian clergymen.
Christianity is a gross misrepresentation of what Jesus taught and despite some fine words in the taught message the adherents completely miss the point of what Jesus said. He never told people to worship, he actually said the opposite. His expression "give back to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and give back to God what belongs to God" is actually a sarcastic remark about them both although people misinterpret what he actually wanted to say as they think it has to do with "proper worship".
What is interesting however about the New Testament is that it is the only remaining piece of ancient scripture which remotely represents what the prophets said in a proper way, except for the tiny fraction of Quran I deciphered and translated so far. The traditional Quran interpretation plus Old Testament/Torah are completely off, it is more or less tragic what they are claimed to say.
But now we are greatly off-topic, this is not at all what this thread is about, no matter how interesting it is.
What Jesus sought to teach was "I am who I am", or what the words Allah or Allahem mean in practice, just like I do. You are who you are. I am who I am. He is who he is. This is what the message is about. We can all be Elahem, those who are. Rest assured I am right about this and I am a valid source/mouth from the supernatural realm.
Those who dissociate themselves from existing as an individual are misinformed and in confusion about how things really work. There is no surrender to God, people should be God. For this argument Jesus was prosecuted by the clergy, it is something people miss. It was a blasphemy to even remotely compare yourself to God.
Proof that he did not say he was the only "son of God" is that he said "if you do like me you will all be children of God". Maybe at the time he expressed that he was an image of God and the only one he was right, but it did not mean no one else could be. This "only son of God" talk has lead so many people astray.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 14, 2019 16:44:15 GMT
Immanuel, can You please explain/answer this question of mine and also You can delete all of my off-topic messages in this thread to not confuse future readers of this thread and its particular topic And I said, “Lord, what happens to the souls of people who achieved true knowledge, but who turned away from it?”
He said to me, “Demons of poverty will take them to a place where there is no possibility of repentance. There they will stay until the time when those who blasphemed against the spirit will be tortured and subjected to punishment forever.”
Jesus says in the text that people will reincarnate until they become free from forgetfulness through knowledge and become perfect and get saved. However when Here in the last part when He is asked about what will happen to the people who achieved true knowledge to get saved but choose NOT TO follow the knowledge/Turned Away from It, Jesus says that they will not be reincarnated like the prior "group of people", but that They will be in a place where They will be tortured and subjected to punishment forever with the ones who blasphemed against the spirit. What could this mean?? And again it mentions about the people who will not be forgiven for blaspheming against the spirit. But what could this even mean in its true meaning?? Mark 3:28-30 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.” Thank You Billion times if You can answer these questions!
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 14, 2019 18:51:42 GMT
Immanuel, can You please explain/answer this question of mine and also You can delete all of my off-topic messages in this thread to not confuse future readers of this thread and its particular topic And I said, “Lord, what happens to the souls of people who achieved true knowledge, but who turned away from it?”
He said to me, “Demons of poverty will take them to a place where there is no possibility of repentance. There they will stay until the time when those who blasphemed against the spirit will be tortured and subjected to punishment forever.”
Jesus says in the text that people will reincarnate until they become free from forgetfulness through knowledge and become perfect and get saved. However when Here in the last part when He is asked about what will happen to the people who achieved true knowledge to get saved but choose NOT TO follow the knowledge/Turned Away from It, Jesus says that they will not be reincarnated like the prior "group of people", but that They will be in a place where They will be tortured and subjected to punishment forever with the ones who blasphemed against the spirit. What could this mean?? And again it mentions about the people who will not be forgiven for blaspheming against the spirit. But what could this even mean in its true meaning?? Mark 3:28-30 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.” Thank You Billion times if You can answer these questions! Unfortunately to me it looks like the quote speaks of the traditional interpretation of eternal hell rather than reincarnation. The passage you quoted says there is no possibility of repentance and it implies punishment, but this is not about punishment at all. The idea of a penalizing God stems from human fiction. The quote from Mark may be true, but this is horribly rendered that it is nearly impossible to understand what it says. Probability is that several words have flawed translations and in reality should say something else. Most interesting are typically religiously charged words like "forgive, sin, slander, blaspheme, guilty and eternal". They are recurrent in interpretations by religious people. What if they mean something else and here are inaccurately translated. Let us play with the words. "Truly I tell you, people can overcome all their flaws and all the badness they do, but whoever fails regarding the (Holy) Spirit will never overcome (it); they are suffering from of a lasting flaw." You see merely by experimenting a little with words the sentence seems more clear and this is probably what Jesus actually says here. He says that mistakes and bad choices in life are not everything, but if you fail to accommodate the spirit for the sake of the flesh, you are stuck in a lasting problem and if they do not seek out the wholesome spirit they are bound to fail. Of course Jesus hints towards reincarnation as he obviously knows about that and it is in his teaching. We could probably play with the interpretation of the first phrase too if you insist.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 14, 2019 18:59:09 GMT
And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 13:3-9 KJV bible.com/bible/1/mat.13.3-9.KJVHere you have an explanation of the type of administration of souls in the world, our souls. It is very much that our mind seeds were scattered randomly in all sorts of different situations and many fail in every situation.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 14, 2019 19:02:43 GMT
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:37-40 KJV
Here Jesus hints towards reincarnation and that "the harvest is at the end of the world". Translation is really bad, but the phrase I made bold is true.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 14, 2019 19:22:32 GMT
Yes, Jesus spoke about reincarnation, He even says in the gospels that John the Baptist is Elijah, which can only mean that the Spirit/Person/Mind of Elijah reincarnated as John the Baptist during "Jesus from Nazareth"`s earthly-life time. :
Matthew 17:10-13 New International Version (NIV) 10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way, the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
"the harvest is the end of the world", Does that just point out that the seed that exists the test/reincarnation-cycle is going to get harvested thus it is the end of its human-world-existence? Or it is more plausible that it points to an End of the Cycle/World event where there will be no more cycles?
I don't see the point in making a stop to our reality, because from the perspective of the Creator(s) there is no time and no space, so its not an issue for Him/Them.
It points towards a threshold they have put as a limit on the humber of cycles and when the universe we live in is sucked into itself as opposed to the so-called "big bang".
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Post by hftwo on Jul 14, 2019 19:33:09 GMT
Unfortunately to me it looks like the quote speaks of the traditional interpretation of eternal hell rather than reincarnation. The passage you quoted says there is no possibility of repentance and it implies punishment, but this is not about punishment at all. The idea of a penalizing God stems from human fiction. The quote from Mark may be true, but this is horribly rendered that it is nearly impossible to understand what it says. Probability is that several words have flawed translations and in reality should say something else. Most interesting are typically religiously charged words like "forgive, sin, slander, blaspheme, guilty and eternal". They are recurrent in interpretations by religious people. What if they mean something else and here are inaccurately translated. Let us play with the words. "Truly I tell you, people can overcome all their flaws and all the badness they do, but whoever fails regarding the (Holy) Spirit will never overcome (it); they are suffering from of a lasting flaw." You see merely by experimenting a little with words the sentence seems more clear and this is probably what Jesus actually says here. He says that mistakes and bad choices in life are not everything, but if you fail to accommodate the spirit for the sake of the flesh, you are stuck in a lasting problem and if they do not seek out the wholesome spirit they are bound to fail. Of course Jesus hints towards reincarnation as he obviously knows about that and it is in his teaching. We could probably play with the interpretation of the first phrase too if you insist. Immanuel actually, the same text-quote speaks directly about reincarnation when it says the following, quote : “When they come forth from the body, such a soul is given over to the powers created by the rulers, bound in chains, and cast into prison again. Around and around it goes until it manages to become free from forgetfulness through knowledge. And so, eventually, it becomes perfect and is saved.”This was the answer to this question John asked, quote : “Lord, what about the souls who didn’t do these things even though the Spirit of Life’s power descended on them?“When John says these things He is talking about this that Jesus told about the ones who are successful in their attempt and dont need to reincarnate, quote : Whom the Spirit of Life will descend and the power will enable them to be saved and to become perfect and worthy of greatness.
So those who "became perfect and worthy of greatness" So in this text Jesus acknowledges the fact that those who fail to become perfect/complete during particular lifetime they reincarnate until they do become perfect/complete as He himself says in this text. However, what is challenging my mind right now is the fact that Jesus speaks of a 3th group of people about who John asks particularly - quote: And I said, “Lord, what happens to the souls of people who achieved true knowledge, but who turned away from it?”To which Jesus says, quote : He said to me, “Demons of poverty will take them to a place where there is no possibility of repentance. There they will stay until the time when those who blasphemed against the spirit will be tortured and subjected to punishment forever.”
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 14, 2019 19:39:39 GMT
And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This (re)generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled (when) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away (until then). And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Luke 21:29-36 KJV bible.com/bible/1/luk.21.29-36.KJVThrough poorly translated passages the topic of reincarnation slips through here too.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 14, 2019 19:59:11 GMT
I was trying to find very good passages which discuss reincarnation, but I could not find them unfortunately.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 14, 2019 20:27:28 GMT
Immanuel do You want a very interesting detail about Elijah-John The Baptist?
According to the 1-King 18 , Some-people captured Baal-Prophets and Then Elijah led them down to the Kishon Valley, where he killed them/cut their life short. The full story is how The Baal prophets asked for Baal to set fire to the wood and the meat on it but it failed, but then Elijah asked "The Lord" and it worked, and by this Elijah showed to the people that His God was real and baal was a fiction of imagination, it is all there in the book.
But during his reincarnation as John The Baptist, he was killed in prison by beheading. It really does seem that nothing goes out of the sight by God/Elohim, and that everything that goes around comes around. It adds another layer of meaning when Jesus told to Peter "Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “For all who draw the sword will die by the Sword.", when Peter wanted to prevent the arrest of Jesus with a sword.
But again all of this is true if our idea of that the Mind/Seed that was controlling the John the Baptist human-body was the same Mind/Seed was controlling the Elijah human-body is correct and not incorrect.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 15, 2019 5:38:23 GMT
That the people in the Gospels spoke about Elijah returning as John is an indication they believed in reincarnation or they would not have reasoned in that way. Another thing to reflect upon.
The real Gospel is an entirely different revelation compared to what it got twisted into.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 15, 2019 6:01:40 GMT
The provided translation does with the highest level of probability suffer from a poor translation.
There exists no demons, so the word demon must mean something else.
Insanity, mental disorder is a suggestion for what the usage of demon in the Gospel refers to, just the same as that Jesus allegedly "drove away a demon in a man", but in reality he did make a mentally ill man sane. 2000 years ago they did probably not even know what mental disorder was but attributed possession of demons to it, although Jesus did not later interpreters did to his sayings.
So now Jesus speaks of something else all of a sudden.
Insanity of poverty, or mind-numbing/mind-shrinking insanity could possibly be what you are looking for.
Will continue later.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 15, 2019 20:12:33 GMT
Unfortunately to me it looks like the quote speaks of the traditional interpretation of eternal hell rather than reincarnation. The passage you quoted says there is no possibility of repentance and it implies punishment, but this is not about punishment at all. The idea of a penalizing God stems from human fiction. The quote from Mark may be true, but this is horribly rendered that it is nearly impossible to understand what it says. Probability is that several words have flawed translations and in reality should say something else. Most interesting are typically religiously charged words like "forgive, sin, slander, blaspheme, guilty and eternal". They are recurrent in interpretations by religious people. What if they mean something else and here are inaccurately translated. Let us play with the words. "Truly I tell you, people can overcome all their flaws and all the badness they do, but whoever fails regarding the (Holy) Spirit will never overcome (it); they are suffering from of a lasting flaw." You see merely by experimenting a little with words the sentence seems more clear and this is probably what Jesus actually says here. He says that mistakes and bad choices in life are not everything, but if you fail to accommodate the spirit for the sake of the flesh, you are stuck in a lasting problem and if they do not seek out the wholesome spirit they are bound to fail. Of course Jesus hints towards reincarnation as he obviously knows about that and it is in his teaching. We could probably play with the interpretation of the first phrase too if you insist. Immanuel actually, the same text-quote speaks directly about reincarnation when it says the following, quote : “When they come forth from the body, such a soul is given over to the powers created by the rulers, bound in chains, and cast into prison again. Around and around it goes until it manages to become free from forgetfulness through knowledge. And so, eventually, it becomes perfect and is saved.”This was the answer to this question John asked, quote : “Lord, what about the souls who didn’t do these things even though the Spirit of Life’s power descended on them?“When John says these things He is talking about this that Jesus told about the ones who are successful in their attempt and dont need to reincarnate, quote : Whom the Spirit of Life will descend and the power will enable them to be saved and to become perfect and worthy of greatness.
So those who "became perfect and worthy of greatness" So in this text Jesus acknowledges the fact that those who fail to become perfect/complete during particular lifetime they reincarnate until they do become perfect/complete as He himself says in this text. However, what is challenging my mind right now is the fact that Jesus speaks of a 3th group of people about who John asks particularly - quote: And I said, “Lord, what happens to the souls of people who achieved true knowledge, but who turned away from it?”To which Jesus says, quote : He said to me, “Demons of poverty will take them to a place where there is no possibility of repentance. There they will stay until the time when those who blasphemed against the spirit will be tortured and subjected to punishment forever.” "The mind-diminishing insanity will take them (in)to a place/condition/situation where/in which there is no correction. As that they will remain until the time when those who have failed regarding the Spirit will be terminated and subjected to permanent destruction"This is probably what Jesus is saying based on that there is no eternal hell, no repentance for a God which cannot take offense or demons. God is completely above even being bothered by the idiocy and retardation of individual (non)-beings. It is not repentance that God seeks but correction, and that is what the word repentance is more than likely meant to mean. For your information, repent is used by for example John at other occasions in the Gospels where he exclaims " Repent, because the Kingdom of God is at hand", but this is not what he really says but he says: "Be corrected or stand corrected, because the "Kingdom of God" is at hand". Of course, the phrase "Kingdom of God" is a poor translation too but it is more like the "art of being" is available, or similar. The whole phrase announces that this individual has the key to the mastery of being and this is having what makes someone get corrected as an individual. It is a poor translation of a phrase which probably is hard to literally translate from ancient Aramaic but it is an announcement like "Be helped! The mastery of Being is here (with me)!" since Semitic languages usually avoid writing out pronouns when you speak about yourself that can go missed in translation because the translator did not really master the language fully on formalities such as that you do not mention yourself when you speak. Why mastery or art for "Kingdom"? Kingdom is an erroneous translation of "El-Diin" (actually probably El-Diin'ateh by grammar) also used in Arabic which is inaccurately understood as kingdom or rule, but that is not the right translation. The word refers to the mastery, ability or skill of something. Why it became like this is not known but it could be that it did not add up to translators and therefore they interpreted it like it. As you understand "The skill of God" does not make sense to a worshiping religionist, so they translate it as the power/rule/kingdom of God instead. Lore-wise it is also pathetic to call it "Kingdom of God is at hand" because: - "Kingdom of God" was always at hand
- The "Kingdom of God" is always at hand
Therefore it is inconsistent that the prophet or messenger would make such announcement, and furthermore repentance is not what is required to "join" that "Kingdom" but correction. Thus we can sort out what the word repentance is supposed to mean by logical deduction and by semantics as the person announcing it calls for change. John yells out "Be helped! (I have) the mastery of Being here (with me)". You can see that the message of the En'jeel changes a lot when using the words they actually said those 2000 years ago. The word En'jeel means to elaborate (literally "fatten" or "fill in") from root Jiim-Lam-Lam (Jilal). People during Jesus' time; - Had a pretty widespread belief in reincarnation
- Had an impoverishing religious belief very similar to Buddhists and Hindus, like starving and living very miserably and for this they rebuked Jesus who did not
- Jesus behavior and attitude is very similar to a Buddhist monk, or like Buddha, and not like an Abrahamic clergyman of typical modern Middle-Eastern monotheistic religions
- Were very torn between different religious beliefs and schools of thought, you see there were multiple sects if you study the Gospel testaments, as if there existed multiple religions in the same region
- Called a faction called the Pharisees the authorities in the region, and while they seem to have accepted different thoughts were zealous when someone challenged their rule (with high certainty the Pharisees = Persians)
You could almost believe that Jesus lived in India... Jesus would probably not have been perceived as such a threat unless he had gained such a fellowship, recognition by Ceasar of Rome, frightened the king of Pharisees/Persians Orod I, Orod II or Orod III (Herod) and upset the Pharisee/Persian clergy who accepted public religion up to an extent unless it meant to offend their idol God. Everything fits for pre-medieval Persia which was known for their tolerance for different religious beliefs. Also historically it adds up because the master state besides Rome at the time was the (albeit weakened) state of Persia, this was right after the conquest of Alexander the Great and Persia was occupied by these western conquerors, who did also not care much for the religious beliefs of the east. Nevertheless Persia ruled over Judah before Rome, or the Macedonians, took over briefly. Some years after the events of the Gospels and Orodes, then Persia revolts again and becomes an independent state, if you know your history lessons and after that Persia had a few hundred years of a golden era before the sect Islam, until it was time for the destruction of the second Pharisee/Persian temple at Persepolis in modern Iran at a location called Estakhar north of the temple mountain where the ruins of a settlement still exists to this day. The root word of "Estakhar" ought to lead the word to mean "where there is exaltation" or "the exalted place", it is most probably referring to a template rather than a military installation even though little archaeological excavations have been performed there. Jesus was also referring to that the Temple would be rebuilt to be razed again, and if I remember it, he meant it forever that it would never be rebuilt. Estakhar was built after the events of Jesus and it was razed during the siege of the Muhammedan forces of Islam, and ironically those who rallied the Arab primitive (kind of ancient politics and propaganda) and superstitious natives were... Persian clergymen. The Persian clergymen despised Christianity so much (which historians believe were solely Persian Zoroastrians but they were one of the religions there) they drove away the established religion in Mesopotamia and Media/Medes (today's Iran in a region called Fars coincidentally). Islam is the greatest fraud of all times, it is even more a fraud than what Christianity became and the creators of Islam were... "Jewish" clergymen, and it did strike back at them too. Shia Islam is part of the original Persian/Pharisee/Jewish clerical movement which is basically a form of Judaism. Soon after the success of Islam and whoever Muhammed was in reality (if he even existed, he probably did as a puppet) internal turmoil split the Arabs and as according to the official history, the Shia sect was separated and driven away by Sunni and that is correct in historical fragments of truth. Yes, you get to hear the proper historical events of the Middle-East and towards the modern time and what actually took place. On the other hand, little signs of Jerusalem exists to this day and almost null for a so important ancient location which should have been so many signs of as it is younger than the alleged Persepolis which was destroyed much before that. We know the state Israel which was located where Palestine was before it was occupied is an invention too.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 15, 2019 22:11:01 GMT
Herod (/ˈhɛrəd/; Hebrew: הוֹרְדוֹס, Modern: Hordus, Tiberian: Hōreḏōs, Greek: Ἡρῴδης, Hērōdēs; 74/73 BCE – c. 4 BCE),[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] also known as Herod the Great and Herod I, was a Roman client king of Judea,[10][11][12] referred to as the Herodian kingdom. The history of his legacy has polarized opinion, as he is known for his colossal building projects throughout Judea, including his expansion of the Second Temple in Jerusalem (Herod's Temple),
Orodes III (Persian: ارد سوم) was raised to the throne of the Parthian Empire around AD 4 by the magnates after the death of Phraates V[1] (reigned c. 2 BC – AD 4). He was killed after a short reign "on account of his extreme cruelty" (Josephus).[1] After his death, Phraates V's brother Vonones I (reigned c. AD 8–12) tried to assume the throne, but a civil war with Artabanus III (reigned c. AD 10–38) followed.
Historical records from this time are incredibly blurry. The likelihood of two kings during the exact same era with the exact same name is too farfetched, it is not likely. I am sure the Orod(es) era and dynasty is the Herodian one. Pharisee and Parsian are the same people of reference. It cannot be anything else, one just has to reconcile the pieces of history properly.
In the Gospels and other historical sources we hear of multiple people referred to as Herod, there are multiple Orod in Persian sources. Orodes knew Greek very well (see below). What did Herod? Herod knew perfect Greek.
Plutarch relates that Orodes understood Greek very well.
Though historians understand that Antipater's family converted to Judaism in the second century BC, different stories had circulated in the wake of his sons coming to power
Orodes II of Parthia (Persian: ارد دوم), (also called Hyrodes Anaridius) was the king of the Parthian Empire from 57 BC to 37 BC. Orodes was a son of Phrates III, whom he murdered in 57 BC, assisted by his brother Mithridates.[1] He married a Greek Princess from the Kingdom of Commagene, called Laodice who was a daughter of King Antiochus I Theos of Commagene and Queen Isias Philostorgos of Commagene.
There was much meddling with the Greek in between.
And like I highlighted, it is too farfetched that two Herodes would rule at the same time this close to each other. Historical fragments are lying, there is something wrong in the records of history.
The real story is most probably:
The Herods are the Roman client kings of Parthia (the Pharisees). Persepolis, or the area around this mountain, is probably the Temple Mountain and this is likely the temple being destroyed more than once. Parthia was modern Iran's northeast and so this is why Herod appears to travel quite a distance to "Jerusalem". Jerusalem is a word consisting of Ye'rasul'em, if you know Arabic words you see the word rasul in it, and it means the model or image of imitation or teacher, it refers to "a seat of teaching", it is not necessarily a fixed location. The Pharisees is the religious elite and dominant faction, also associated with the site of Persepolis, the whole place is still called 'Fars' to this day.
The Persian empire at its peak of power was such an incredible influence in the region and it ruled the east and west during kings like Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes. During the era of the Old Testament temple, Jerusalem and Judah, Persia ruled over it, they were a satrap. Persepolis and its temple held the spiritual elite of the entire region. This is the center of focus, not some imagined site in modern "Israel" near the Mediterranean sea which is more like Syria or Palestine.
Once upon a time the Persian Empire had its seat over a longer period in modern Iraq, in Mesopotamia with a city called Shush (Susa).
King Cyrus rescues the "Children of Israel" because they are part of his people. The term Jew is not the name of a people but reference to an adherent to a faith and who has found guidance, it is what the term means "who has guidance". There were Jews among Cyrus people too obviously, it is what they called guided ones. Anyone could be a Jew until they started assigning bloodlines to Jewish people. Babylon had imprisoned people of ancient Persia until there arose a king to save them. Why would Cyrus have headed into Babylon? Because God called for him to do it? God, or the Elahem, are not that intrusive in human existence on Earth, so no, Cyrus went on a rescue mission to rescue people for his own reason. Then they let rebuild the temple at Persepolis (Jerusalem), which probably Babylon burned down to the ground.
What kind of name is Persepolis anyways, it is not even a Persian name, today they call it Takht-e Jamshid (the bed/grave of Jamshid) which is from sort of legend of theirs. Some kilometers northeast of Persepolis is the grave of Cyrus, I visited the tomb once. Persepolis is Greek for City of the Persians. It was anyways what they said when Alexander the Great conquered it and how the Greek referred to it. But what did the Persians call it? The reference does not exist to this day, it was hardly called Takht-e Jamshid at that time, modern scholars do not even know who it was except a sort of legend.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 15, 2019 23:28:48 GMT
Have you ever wondered why the book called Torah (Old Testament) does speak so much of lighting fires?
The scripture is aimed towards Zoroastrians and to make being Zoroastrians dirty.
You know why?
It is ancient propaganda!
Why aim it towards Zoroastrian practices as if it is performed right in the middle of Jews?
Because Zoroastrianism and its adherents were the people in general the Torah refers to.
But keep a look at this:
Initially the scripture approves of lighting fires and it is a part of worship up until a point in it and then suddenly it seems like the God changes the worship practices, as if it is brainwashing propaganda (which it is). It is ingeniously turned into something dirty to do the longer you read the Torah while it initially is part of the practices.
People who read the Torah seldom reflect on these things.
The real Torah is in the same book, but the interpretation was made into what the clergymen wanted. It suffered exactly the same fate as Quran. The only lost grip they got was Jesus with his Gospel. Placing the Gospel at the side of the Old Testament is nearly a joke, they clash to intensively with each other's messages and it is ironic. This is also why they wanted to find a cause to get rid of Jesus because he ruined their painted reality. However as soon as Jesus died they worked hard to further corrupt it and put lies over the truth, except that the Greek Gospel slipped out of their hands and portray a different angle of it all and it was not corrupted as much in the hands of the Romans who in naive hands were not as much of expert at insane corruption as the old Persian Clergymen. But you see the corruption is nearly as bad. What is it? Singing in a building like someone insane (as in a church) for something they imagine requires worship. Gesturing with the hands a cross? Christianity is not much better than other of those religions. They made Jesus the image of God instead.
Back to Torah.
The early Torah'an individuals practice a faith IDENTICAL to Zoroastrian, there is not much which divides the two faiths, I have found extremely little, if anything, after studying Zoroastrianism. I can boldly say early faith in Torah IS Zoroastrianism. Keeping a fire lit is the most important thing in it. What do they do in the Torah? Keeping a fire lit. Where are the fires burning? On mountains or mountainsides.
Why are the interpreters of Torah only gradually making lighting fires bad?
Because it is what everyone was taught from the beginning of history in their believed faith, they would not have accepted the faith otherwise if it did not occur like the God lost interest in the burning fires and that "they were mistaken in the past" about what God wanted, also blaming about other gods being involved (which was probably true in some cases as so many different cultures were involved over time). A famous God is Baal.
What is the summary?
The interpreters themselves confess their ancestors adhered to Zoroastrianism (even if in reality the prophets themselves did not worship with fire) by tradition. It was deeply rooted when the interpreters shaped the Torah we know today. It proves the Persepolis influence on faith in the entire region. Yet the only place we know that they had fires like this is in old Persia? Why is it so? The famous power seat of Mesopotamia and Media is where the faith of the Torah goes on as its center!
Why was Persia one of very the first countries the Muslims attacked? Because the sect's creators had an agenda, they were Jewish clergymen who were now Imams instead by their own chosen religiously charged title they found in Quran. They sought to convert all Zoroastrians to the "real faith" and root out the old Pagan faith once and for all. They had had an agenda since the Old Testament was interpreted. Sources I have read state that the Old Testament might have its interpretation originating from the first century AD which might explain a thing or two.
What do they want to prove? That Zoroastrianism is dirty and so is polytheism.
If you read the traditional interpretation of the Quran you can clearly see it speaks better about the Christians than it does of Jews, for some reason. It finds more hope in Christians than it does in Jews in it. But it tries to convince either side of their "misconceptions". Who are the enemies it always speaks of? The Persians but it never once mentions them by Persian. Jews is what it says. Could be because the word Persian does not exist in it nor does Roman, but they forced a word into refering to their reference of Jew, it was the card they played as well as the farfetched nazaren which in Quran in reality refers to something else as part of the language.
Quran formulates it that Jews are a lost cause, they should be fought until they change faith (even if apologetic Muslims want to make it seem milder). They stole the word Muslim from a word they did not even understand what it meant. Muslim means to be sound, to be intact or pristine.. Or even sane. The opposite is the "demons" of the Gospels, or insanity. For them the word means submission which is ridiculous because it is not even near the word's root.
But is the faith any better? No
It is the height of Paganism. Circle a building in Mecca (invented place due to a stolen term inside the book) and kneel down with the head to the ground to a big idol. They made Medina based on another lie. They moved the religious center of the conquered Persepolis to their invented Mecca where they claim Abraham build the first house of worship. Abraham was born according to the lore in Ur in Mesopotamia, traveled to a place in modern Turkey and then he might not have built the Qiblah (another invented term) in Mecca in the middle of nowhere in the desert. It is just a story they made up to draw the importance of Arabia into the lore. They even claim that the Qibla was Jerusalem (term Jerusalem is not even used) until it is changed by God (Allah) in Quran.
Before the black cube building's walls fell apart some centuries ago the building the building was shaped like a chapel and the direction it is headed towards is... The depiction of Jerusalem as a focal point, likely a far later construct. If you look at images of the building you can see how the old building was shaped because they left the ruins of the old blocks still on the ground from footage over 100 years old.
You know which country is interesting from an early Christian research point of view? Armenia. The root word Armenia is the same as is used in Aramia as in Aramaic, the old archaic language. You probably know of Aram in old lore. We have Aram, and we have Arab on another side.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 16, 2019 18:56:46 GMT
I would love to contribute any information to the very interesting discussion regards the historical chronology of the key figures of the so-called "Abrahamic Monotheism" and the scriptures which are attributed to the Abrahamic religions. However, I can see that my knowledge in this particular area is not up to par of Yours, Immanuel, thus I can only thank You sincerely for choosing to take your time and to type it and share it with Me (of course also any other curious individual) and to say that I am very interested in learning about the very true narrative of things, without any filters and subjective/emotional barriers and preconceived notions. It is incredible to me how easy the true narrative of things blurs out with the passing of time. It seems that during human-history there were people who could "see" true-matter of things and they wrote down this information but people due to their instinctual programming were successful in turning the original words/teachings into something else. Time after time the same thing happened, the messenger/teacher of this information tend to turn into a Person of worship etc. Human-thinking likes to beautify/mystify things making/turning them into magic, when in reality there are two things: 1. FACT 2.FICTION. Either one understanding/knowledge is according to the reality of things, or it is flawed/in-correct. It is interesting how God/Elohim gives guidances/hints to humanity but these "scriptures" lose their original interpretation/correct meaning. And it looks like it happens every time with each new "prophet" with new scripture. But God/Elohim sees it but don't do anything to prevent this from happening, why? Why give scripture for it to only to lose its intended meaning after a couple of generations? Seems not so productive. I really do ponder upon, how close Does God/Creator/Elohim monitor this "Earth" of ours, and to how much extent do "He/They" care about the minds that are connected to each human-being. We might really be like other animals are to us, just a bunch of primitive creatures, how harsh and cold it might sound but this is what my opinion is by looking at the human history. Also, I do ponder upon is a pain the only way to teach and shape a strong independent "Being"? Can there not be any other way, is it really the only way? I mean, we humans we teach in our education systems and we try to involve as little pain as possible. And it seems as our educational systems progress we choose to let go off "pain-inducing" methods in our practices, I mean we went from beating students''' hands withh a stick to teachers not beingg allowed to harm a student either physically and/or psychologicallyy, at the least bit the western world. However when III look at our reality/school which God/Elohim has control over I see differentt viruses which give a great deal of pain, handicap etc. And I wonder was it really necessary to put these kinds of viruses into this earth-reality of ours by the God/Elohim? If I reason objectively, logic tells me it isn't necessary, but it is here, so it means that God/Elohim chooses to put it inside of our reality/earth-world. So am I/My Being more compassionate then the Being(s) consisting God/Elohim? Godd/Elohim teaches us to be compassionate to such an extent as to be able to sympathize with people who hate us/enemies, yet do I see it compassionate to create and put these kinds of viruses into our reality? God/Elohim teaches us to not dominate but arent we being dominated by the things we experience which are out of our control? If let's say hypothetically we Imagine a man on earth by the name of "Joe", and an individual from "God/Elohim" chooses to give an illness to this Joe-individual earthly existence to test if He will be the same Good-hearted, intelligent person as he is prior to the illness of his human-body. To test him further another individual from the God/Elohim chooses to give another "calamities" to this Joe individual, but alas Joe`s Spirit/Being never loses His integrity/willpower and He keeps following the sanity of His Mind and keeps gaining control over his Being, even though his stay on earth is becoming more "hellish" as time goes by. Now at the moment of the Joe`s human-body`s death, Joes spirit is a completely complete being thus He is no longer reincarnated into a human existence but He is now a part of the God/Elohim community. Now questions is When Joe becomes part of God/Elohim community, Will He not want to have a little bit of chat/talk with those individuals amongst the God/Elohim community who chose to give him those calamities on earth which made Joe`s stay on earth more with suffering than it could have been? Or is Joe a masochist with stockholm syndrome? (Sarcasm)
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Post by hftwo on Jul 16, 2019 19:49:12 GMT
To what extent are God/Elohim involved in earth-reality? When we talk here and we have our own thoughts running in our minds, do Elohim "listen/hear" them? Do they closely monitor each human-being on earth 24/7?
Or things might work in a different way? I read in a Nag-Hammadi gospel(The Gnostic ones), where allegedly Jesus said something along the lines "Seek to become part of the Kingdom of God, and when You will become part of the Kingdom of God even if The Father will want to banish you from the kingdom it will not be possible to do so."
I think there might be some objective universal law systems running, in which when one Becomes a Truly living Being on a Mind level, then One exists for real in another realm, not in the realm which have connection to through the sense organs of the human-body, but the realm to which we have connection through our Minds/Being. And when one becomes "A Truly Existing One" one is "born" come into existence on "the other side"/Kingdom of God/Being(s), thus even if the Father will want to banish one, it will not be possible because one becomes A Being, an existing Entity, which is not made of any matter thus cannot be destroyed/disintegrate, reality seems to be much more complex and interesting than humanity thinks it is.
Of course God/Elohim have total control over the laws of ours "physical" universe/reality/projection, because it is basically figment of His/their imagination. However, the platform on which He/They exists and our Being(s) exist/ Can exist, in that platform there might be universal laws which God/Elohim himself/themselves cannot manipulate/ignore have control over.
I noticed now that if one to abbreviate the sentence "A Truly Existing One" = A T E O, Theo means "God" in Greek, so it could sound like saying a(English) Theo(Greek) = a God
Yes, looks like linguistic acrobatics in high caliber, but is an interesting coincidence, or maybe it is not a mere coincidence, either way interesting detail.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 17, 2019 13:24:37 GMT
It is incredible to me how easy the true narrative of things blurs out with the passing of time. It seems that during human-history there were people who could "see" true-matter of things and they wrote down this information but people due to their instinctual programming were successful in turning the original words/teachings into something else. Time after time the same thing happened, the messenger/teacher of this information tend to turn into a Person of worship etc. Human-thinking likes to beautify/mystify things making/turning them into magic, when in reality there are two things: 1. FACT 2.FICTION. Either one understanding/knowledge is according to the reality of things, or it is flawed/in-correct. Unfortunately that's the nature of the human with their body. Drawn to worship. The focus becomes too much on the person who teaches rather than what the person teaches. It is interesting how God/Elohim gives guidances/hints to humanity but these "scriptures" lose their original interpretation/correct meaning. And it looks like it happens every time with each new "prophet" with new scripture. But God/Elohim sees it but don't do anything to prevent this from happening, why? Why give scripture for it to only to lose its intended meaning after a couple of generations? Seems not so productive. It can be an interesting question why Elahem let it happen. However, pay attention to this that I tell you; with Quran they deliberately have let it be corrupted even writing in it that the actual events that took place. They are perfectly aware of what happens in the world. Also remember that they are not at all looking for quantity of specimens that make it through, breaking the code and deciphering the message like I did and so on that can only be done by someone with a sufficiently deep mind. It is tragic, but perhaps only you and me and some other individual are the only ones in this generation that move on. Furthermore the Gospel somewhat presents its message sufficiently clear that you understand that it speaks of reincarnation, everyone can be children of God etc, it is already clear enough. What causes a person not to understand is that they are biased and have a preconceived mind and cannot think independently. Additionally it gives a mystery to whoever seeks to untwist the truth, it is like a little adventure. I really do ponder upon, how close Does God/Creator/Elohim monitor this "Earth" of ours, and to how much extent do "He/They" care about the minds that are connected to each human-being. We might really be like other animals are to us, just a bunch of primitive creatures, how harsh and cold it might sound but this is what my opinion is by looking at the human history. The surveillance is real-time, they are present at all times. At times it can be hard to believe it but they do actually expect individuals to make it through and if no person makes it through the whole setup would be in vain, it would serve no purpose. Humans are regarded like seeds which are part of growing inside an environment and they are most interested in the harvest rather than what goes on in between. This is why mistakes, "sins" and other mishaps do not really matter as they look at the finished product rather than the grow cycle. Why they do not help more than what you say is because it is our intelligence that is being tested and evolved and it evolves the most when being used for deep thinking and if they bias that the evolution is not as good. Also, I do ponder upon is a pain the only way to teach and shape a strong independent "Being"? Can there not be any other way, is it really the only way? I mean, we humans we teach in our education systems and we try to involve as little pain as possible. And it seems as our educational systems progress we choose to let go off "pain-inducing" methods in our practices, I mean we went from beating students''' hands withh a stick to teachers not beingg allowed to harm a student either physically and/or psychologicallyy, at the least bit the western world. However when III look at our reality/school which God/Elohim has control over I see differentt viruses which give a great deal of pain, handicap etc. And I wonder was it really necessary to put these kinds of viruses into this earth-reality of ours by the God/Elohim? If I reason objectively, logic tells me it isn't necessary, but it is here, so it means that God/Elohim chooses to put it inside of our reality/earth-world. Actually most of the time humans cause their own suffering. Yes, the Elahem have just created a "blueprint" of man and just let the seed spread with the wind basically. As far as I understand it is because they want to make it hard to believe, the world is meant to be incredibly unfriendly and harsh, it is even written in Quran that the world is really bad. The Earth is made to break down its subjects, and well your criticism to that is valid, but alike nature works it is through difficulty the evolved specimen becomes refined in its provided environment. The aggressive and unfriendly treatment of the world is ironically made so that people start to disbelieve unless they are smart enough to realize through other means that there has to be something supernatural above the existence as they know it.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 17, 2019 13:36:43 GMT
Everything is a mental challenge to overcome. We judge all this through our biased human eyes and what we perceive is right or wrong. Overall it is kind not to beat students in the classrooms for this or that, but if you look at the behavior in the classrooms it is more often than not appalling. Well, the root of the problem is how the societies are being run to begin with. Of course God/Elohim have total control over the laws of ours "physical" universe/reality/projection, because it is basically figment of His/their imagination. However, the platform on which He/They exists and our Being(s) exist/ Can exist, in that platform there might be universal laws which God/Elohim himself/themselves cannot manipulate/ignore have control over. They have perfect control over everything, but they let it run according to the structure they have chosen. Quran admits that the Earth is made as a flawed and broken environment, that is something done on purpose. It might seem incredibly mean and evil, but what can you do about it?
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 17, 2019 13:39:37 GMT
Honestly I do not even know if I am being involved in this for any legitimate cause, it might even be that those behind Elahem are bad people, and we are struggling for a bad cause. In either case it is an evil circle because we suffer and have to be reborn all the time with wiped memories until the end of time, even if we commit suicide now, we have to suffer endlessly.
Ironically, no matter if Elahem have evil intentions or not, the most logical course of action to do is to seek a way out of this nightmare. I highly recommend you to not use this as an excuse not to accept the situation and deal with it.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 17, 2019 14:08:30 GMT
Many problems that befall us in this world we actually have a blame for ourselves. Of course the creator of this world made all the calamities and rules, but we can in many ways avoid a lot of them. They programed the instincts and gave some issues for us to form our societies, but we do not have to live according to them. Isolated, separated, no where hugging another human is perfectly possible if we adapted ourselves. We do not have to eat animals to any greater extent evading a lot of diseases transmitted by animals. We do not have to make ourselves fat, eat a lot of sugar so we get diabetes or other diseases.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 18, 2019 13:01:04 GMT
Unfortunately that's the nature of the human with their body. Drawn to worship. The focus becomes too much on the person who teaches rather than what the person teaches. It becomes even more "interesting" if it is so that it is Creator/Elohim Himself/Themselves designed this retarding behaviour of human-creature. So if we use our minds and think about the facts, we can see that God/Elohim created a guide-book that tells about the purpose/goal/mission of human existence, but lets it to be corrupted and stay like this for over 1000 years. All these minds which lived in human-bodies during that period of over 1000 years, could not benefit from this "guide-book" because it was the intent of the Creator(s) of this book to be corrupted. However, it might be that all this time passed because no-body actually got to hack through the corruption and find the real meaning, so in a way it is not God/Elohim`s fault, but it is because nobody actually amongst humans did anything to look into it, so therefore over 1000 years passed without anyone hacking the truth. So this way it sound plausible and makes sense. If Elohim have no emotional bias, they might not really care if nobody had the potentially real guidance for over a millennia. Even if a good amount of people died and suffered due to the missunderstandings, it might be that they really have no emotional bias in this. However Jesus did spread the message of caring about each other, so God/Elohim must/could/might also "care" about humans, even if there is no emotional bias. If God/Elohim is also going through evolution, His/Their ways might change too, Didnt Jesus ask God/Elohim to "pass the cup", but He finished his sentence with saying "Yet not what I will, but what you will" ? Mark 14:36 (ESV): And he said, "Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will. If God/Elohim are alive, He/They can be communicated with and He/They might easily change their choice/opinion that He/They have at this point of time for example. Isaiah did prophesize of a grim future for mankind, and it might very well be so, but is it the only way the future must unfold? If we are existent and God/Elohim existent and The Person of Isaiah might be existent amongst the God/Elohim right now, this means we can cooporate and make things unfold in a more positive fashion. If blindly following authority is a human-programming and not the true way of things. Then the question on what platform does God/Elohim operate, must it be "Truth" ? So if for example by my own independent thinking I propose an argument which is 100% truthful and just, wouldnt God/Elohim listen to it and think ok we maybe should change this or that, or would God/Elohim think "Who are You to tell me what is that or what is this, who asked You for Your opinion. The reality is there must be a common ground even amongst the God/Elohim community, Question is what is the common ground, and My Being tells me it is "Truth and Evolution".
Because every individual can have his/her/its own individual wishes/opinions, and if God/Elohim consists of Individuals in a commune, then even for Them there must be some common ground which decides their agenda/politics. And I see that it must be "Truth and Evolution" or is it so that the stronger majority chooses what to do and it forces its wish/opinion/course of action to the others, like a human-parliament?
Yes, if we want to get the utmost truth we need to think to our possibility in a non pre-conceived fashion. I would refrain from calling God/Elohim Good, Or Evil, but here is food for thought. For example, if we look at the human-bio-(body)-vehicle design, the human body was designed to poorly withstand trauma. One can have a very strong spirit, but an overload of psychological trauma might break regions in the brain which creates hormones for the entire body and which results in suffering of the entire body due to the lack of these hormones. For example the war veterans which have PTSD, new research shows that their PTSD, in a good amount of cases is due to the fact that because of trauma their pituitary gland in their brains stopped producing Growth Hormone (Which is very important for proper functioning of almost all of the cell types that make up the body) Due to this their entire body becomes Growth Hormone deficient and they get all kinds of symptoms, which then get misdiagnosed as common PTSD, when in fact their brains god damaged to the trauma and their cells are suffering due to hormonal starvation. When these veterans get injected with Growth Hormone they get better, this is very new science but it shows Us that even if Ones Spirit is very strong on a mental level, the brain of the human body might not withstand a severe psychological trauma and might just burn-out resulting in regions of the brain to stop functioning properly, which can result in a hormonal problems such as in the example below. Which can mean that prior to this new understanding, a lot of these war veterans suffered alone with no escape, due to their brain not being able to withstand serious mental trauma and stopping producing essential hormone for the health f their body. No wonder these war veterans commit suicide. Again it is things like this that tell me that the human-vehicle was not designed to withstand high-levels of stress be it physical or psychological. As You said it earlier Yourself, Humans also have their memories swiped between lives to prevent them from benefiting from previous-life knowledge. You don't find this with other lifeforms. Maybe That's why a deer can walk in days while humans have to relearn walking over months. The only limit on animals for re-walking is lack of muscle development. Our memories are also wiped between sleep and wake states. That's why we can't remember all the details of a dream we just awoke from and why dreams are often vastly different from experiences we just experienced during the day. So memory swiping is an intentional process and not a natural process since animals don't have their memories cleared. This fact also proves there's an overt force working, does it work against or for "Us", thats an interesting question. Another important clue that we've been under severe mind control for centuries is that this deep knowledge never gets passed on. Instead, it's either church or false science for centuries. That's it. It's just a matter of which path we fall on? It's like politics with only two parties, but both sides usually are led by the ones who missunderstand things so where does it lead the ones they lead? That's all you have to rely on from birth. When you're born, it's one these two paths that society throw on you that you are forced into. And this explains why the narrow way path is so narrow. You're on your own. The only footprints on that path are your own ... only looking back. So it's little wonder why that when you reincarnate back to the Earth, you have to start all over with real knowledge from scratch ... with no one but yourself to rely on and luckily with the internet, one can find people who have understanding or at the very least want to understand the true reality of things. It's also a little wonder why God/Elohim makes sure we don't live long enough to learn and apply such deep knowledge and wisdom. At this point of time I know that I exist, diminishing my Existence by obeying the slavish-biological programming of the human-body is un-productive, which does not make sense to do, therefore I wont do that. I exist, therefore I want to never Die, that is my Goal, and perfectly I want to exist unconfined to a prison. Any existing One, would want to do the same. However, I do wonder what if God/Elohim made a world in which one must do the straight opposite what the 10. Commandments say to do to earn favor of the God/Elohim. So the more you kill, hurt, lie, steal, fornicate etc, the more better you are in the eyes of the Creator(s), and in the end you get Immortality as the ultimate gift from the Creator(s). Hypothetically, If I would reincarnate in my next reincarnation in such world where the 10.Commandments would be the opposite of our-version, would I obey it because in the end it promises immortality or would I refrain. All am I asking if there is an objective reality, or reality is whatever the Creator wants it to be, so ultimately He/They decide, what is commendable and what is not.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 18, 2019 14:52:01 GMT
It becomes even more "interesting" if it is so that it is Creator/Elohim Himself/Themselves designed this retarding behaviour of human-creature. Makes it more challenging and deceptive. A lot of it is based upon that is should be deception. So if we use our minds and think about the facts, we can see that God/Elohim created a guide-book that tells about the purpose/goal/mission of human existence, but lets it to be corrupted and stay like this for over 1000 years. All these minds which lived in human-bodies during that period of over 1000 years, could not benefit from this "guide-book" because it was the intent of the Creator(s) of this book to be corrupted. Yes, it is absurd to even think the thought. It sounds ridiculous, but at the same time we can also think whether they have humor on Elahem level, and it is almost sarcastic humor. Question is whether they even meant for it to be a spiritual book of guidance. They have control over everything so it means it deliberately was diminished to a book of "mumbo-jumbo". Perhaps a sarcastic input of theirs to that humans always want an A to B book over how to live their lives? Why would you even need a book of guidance, it is like you could teach a person all they need to do on one piece of A4 paper. At least I could summarize the key points in an essay. Remember Quran is like thousands of pages long (depending on font size) yet it basically only repeats the same message over and over again in different flavors, or well joke apart, it is more valuable than that, but you get my point. However, it might be that all this time passed because no-body actually got to hack through the corruption and find the real meaning, so in a way it is not God/Elohim`s fault, but it is because nobody actually amongst humans did anything to look into it, so therefore over 1000 years passed without anyone hacking the truth. Exactly, you cannot blame Elahem for twisting anything because that is done by the whims of the human nature and their incapability to interpret things properly and to bias things according to their imagination. If people used deep logic they obviously understand that human religions are primitive and ridiculous and the common perception of the God figure is too lowly to be true. However Jesus did spread the message of caring about each other, so God/Elohim must/could/might also "care" about humans, even if there is no emotional bias. That they even involve people like Jesus, and perhaps me, is a sign that they remotely care about people, yes. I could just care about my own development but yet here I am starting an own forum in order to help people help themselves, and still people believe I do it because I have some sort of delusion of grandeur which is obviously not true and I despise people enough I barely want the title of prophet, but I do this for the sake of this mission and being involved. If God/Elohim is also going through evolution, His/Their ways might change too, Didnt Jesus ask God/Elohim to "pass the cup", but He finished his sentence with saying "Yet not what I will, but what you will" ? Mark 14:36 (ESV): And he said, "Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will. If God/Elohim are alive, He/They can be communicated with and He/They might easily change their choice/opinion that He/They have at this point of time for example. I have offered a different interpretation of the quoted passages though somewhere on this forum however. But yes, opinions change based on new mental processes. Elahem are real living beings, not some dead matter or machines, like robots. Isaiah did prophesize of a grim future for mankind, and it might very well be so, but is it the only way the future must unfold? If we are existent and God/Elohim existent and The Person of Isaiah might be existent amongst the God/Elohim right now, this means we can cooporate and make things unfold in a more positive fashion. Yes, what is prophesied in Yesaya is becoming real right now. The grim events being foretold in there is just what is happening right now and that is because it is me it is talking about in the prophecy. I am the Immanuel spoken of in the chapters there. I have to learn to choose the good over the bad, etc. It also gives the timing of when I manage to choose the good over the bad based on some riddle I have not yet decoded (about two kings).
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 18, 2019 15:19:17 GMT
My assumption is that I am still at a crossroads in my "career". Things are difficult and it is not like I receive a whole lot of information "from above", and whatever I receive is usually cryptic, like the riddle in Yesaya. But as you know I have also received both explicit and implicit communication from Elaham, partially by someone becoming possessed to relay information to me, and also straight into my mind. For example, the phrase "No one. It was made written." about the question regarding who wrote Quran, or that the answer to what the word Jehennom means is "development ground", although the term Jehennom means something like "place/condition of bodily attachment" or similar if we speak literally. This place that we are right now is Jehennom. If blindly following authority is a human-programming and not the true way of things. Then the question on what platform does God/Elohim operate, must it be "Truth" ? So if for example by my own independent thinking I propose an argument which is 100% truthful and just, wouldnt God/Elohim listen to it and think ok we maybe should change this or that, or would God/Elohim think "Who are You to tell me what is that or what is this, who asked You for Your opinion. To not accept opinions that are better than someone else is emotional and that does not exist on Elahem level. If you happen to think better than Elahem, anyone of them, this is embraced of course, but you surely would need a sharp mind. It is meant that you are to become one of the Elahem eventually if you evolve, this is the meaning of "Yehuweh Elahem" which is used in the Old Testament (rather than that Yehuwa would imply a name of a person). The reason why you should be able to be unselfish, work together with others and open-minded is because you are training to become one of a unity of minds like Elahem, if you cannot be shaped or adapted into this then you have no future in a unity of minds and hence no potential. Nevertheless if you become a being, existing independently it is hard to get rid of you, you are an existing individual, I have never really been able to think out whether they can destroy you if you exist for real. They can however keep you imprisoned by their combined mental strength over yours. It is all about who has the strongest combined force with their mind, it is a bit like Star Wars in that manner (who do you think is the originator of the Star Wars idea anyways or who had the influence on George Lucas' mind?). If everyone in Elahem agree and have consensus that you should be kept out and in control, you cannot do anything unless you become so strong in the mind that you can challenge them all together, and that is probably quite improbable, I would guess they are so strong that it is hard to beat even one mind of theirs. Imagine beating the strength of the mind of Jesus. You see it is wiser to affect them by joining them rather than becoming an enemy and then you need consensus, and by this I mean it is better to play along than to play a rebel and refuse to accept the situation you are in, even if you believe they are evil. Yes, if we want to get the utmost truth we need to think to our possibility in a non pre-conceived fashion. I would refrain from calling God/Elohim Good, Or Evil, but here is food for thought. I said neither, just did not exclude anything. For example, if we look at the human-bio-(body)-vehicle design, the human body was designed to poorly withstand trauma. One can have a very strong spirit, but an overload of psychological trauma might break regions in the brain which creates hormones for the entire body and which results in suffering of the entire body due to the lack of these hormones. Yes, biologically the human body is very weak and it is the mind which can potentially make it prevail, and it has been weak for thousands of years. Compared to animals on equal terms we stand no chance.
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Post by hftwo on Jul 23, 2019 15:57:52 GMT
Immanuel, I contemplated greatly as to what make of everything You've told me in this thread and all the information You provided Me. If you really to take on this role/task, do you do it by the same strategy you are having at this point of time?
Please read entirety of this message, Thank You!
To get this information to the Minds of 21th Century human it might be the best to leave out anything that associates with any religion on earth. Why not provide Your teachings just like a guide-to-Consciousness-Development? Or something similar to it make it more to associate it the secular thinking humans. Just tell them straightly that Homo-Sapien is not as Conscious as humans tend to to think, that it is as an animal and also has biological programmings(instincts) which the homo-sapien-animal does unconsciously. However, tell humanity that there is still a degree of Consciousness/Living-Person to different degrees amongst homo-sapien-animals. And in order to grow this Conscious/Living part of a Person, one needs to stop listening and obeying the instinctual-callings/signals of the homo-sapien body, tell them that this is the way for the Evolution of the mind, and if one does not choose to stop obeying the instincts and not exercise A Conscious way of Living, that one will never grow out of being a mere homo-sapien animal, in other words never become a Totally Living Being. (Because Homo-Sapiens are not a fully-Conscious Being(s), might not be Conscious at all) The way I see, associating with text(s) which is/are used as "theirs" in any religion on Earth will just make/turn Your mission unnecessarily more difficult, because most of religious people usually are not open to "outside of the box thinking", and the people who usually do (the secular people) are usually not interested in listening into something which associates itself with something (for example a scripture/text) which is already is used by exiting religion(s). In addition a lot of religious people will get emotionally-hurt and You will most probably get unnecessary-non benefitting "fights/conflict(s)", because most probably they are very-sure that their understandings of the scriptures are the correct-one. My reasoning is it might be the best both for the benefit/health of the Mission/Goal and for You, to just give Your teachings without anything associated with religious texts or anything else associated with Religion(s). You dont even need to use words such as "God", which triggers a whole lot of pre-conceived imagination amongst humanity. You can just give people a guide/way of living that provides The Growth of their Conscious part as A Person and diminishes the Un-Conscious parts of their Person which is usually the biologically-automatically-driven/wants of the homo-sapien body which they are inside of at this particular part of their Evolution as a Future Fully-Conscious-Being(s)/Person(s) What do You think? (Please, do not take this such as : "Me trying to tell You what to do and of anything similarly", I just got this new understanding that I felt that I must share with You because I can see that there is a sound Logic in it)
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 24, 2019 15:58:45 GMT
What you are writing I am already aware of and I do reduce religiously connected references when I deal with the kind of people who those references are ineffective towards and I agree completely that it is somewhat irrelevant to involve religion in something like this. In case you have not noticed in many threads there are little references to religious terms but more on reasons why. An example is the way of living. I am using instincts as much as I can instead of saying Satan which is a Semitic word with a usually erroneous connotation.
To be able to convince a lot of people who are religiously convicted however I must somehow involve a bit of terminology and add some sort of coherence to what is already present in terms of lore. They need to know and get a sort of explanation why their belief is wrong and why that is so. One has to go deep into etymology of words, like for example when I explain "amen", it is a very known words among a lot of people and they usually think it means to believe and which is not correct.
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