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Post by hftwo on Oct 7, 2019 10:18:30 GMT
When one deprives the body from a lot of its instinctual/programmed satisfaction, the body becomes miserable, at the least that's what I noticed.
I can see that when I very-consciously do not obey whatever the body wishes, trying to do this at all the times, I see that the body becomes very burdensome because it becomes like a very sad pet.
And because your consciousness is connected to the body, you perceive all the time how the body is sad/unsatisfied. So maybe sometimes One has to give in to instinct to satisfy the body at the least a little bit, to make sure it doesn't turn sad/depressed and annoy Your consciousness/Mind with its depressed state?
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 8, 2019 19:19:29 GMT
What are you doing to it then?
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Post by hftwo on Oct 8, 2019 20:51:51 GMT
I will be honest it was troublesome for me to derive the true meaning of the question, but to my best understanding you sarcastically mean "what is the alternative then"?
And by this as I understood, you are saying that this is part of the process and the alternative would be to live instinctively.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 9, 2019 20:25:34 GMT
There was no sarcasm actually, I was wondering what you are depriving it of more precisely.
But yes, you are in control of an animal and as an animal it has its needs. This can be most disturbing to us who have reached far as we get disgusted by its whims and desires as we have separated the mind from the body.
Different things could affect the mind to various extents negatively and this is why I asked what exactly you are suppressing when you feel the body is like a sad pet.
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Post by hftwo on Oct 9, 2019 20:42:53 GMT
Thank you for the clarification. Most of the time it is the sexual need of the body, and it gets frustrated. I don't think I can just kill/shut off the sex drive completely because it seems as long as the redproduction systems of the body keep working it will put resistance on my mind, for me to do something about it, but resisting it is an expression of my conscious control over the body.
But maybe one should capulate sometimes to not make the body frustrated/sad that it cannot do anything about its sexual needs. I'm not sure maybe a reproductively healthy body can become ill by starving it off sexual needs.
HOWEVER! I'm surely do not want to neglect the development of my Being/Mind and lose my mind over sexual needs of the body and I surely do Not lose my mind over such silly things these days.
However maybe it's not a Mind-Killer to capulate once a month for the sake of the body so it wouldn't stay frustrated un-necessarily?
However Jesus also said one cannot serve two masters at the same time. Hmm...
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Post by hftwo on Oct 9, 2019 20:48:46 GMT
Also trying to just kill this desire of the body might also be a sign of Domination which is also against the commandments.
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Post by hftwo on Oct 9, 2019 20:52:15 GMT
However if my memory serves me correct in the translation project one can read that the author says that one should avoid participating in anything instinctual even a little bit because it then gets a grip of the person like a hook and "just one time" becomes many times and so and the person becomes hooked by the instinct.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 11, 2019 21:40:54 GMT
The sex drive is one of the strongest urges in the body. In a healthy individual Homo sapiens this is in its nature and it can be incredibly hard to resist.
It takes much mental discipline to reduce production of semen and sperm, but because I am a male myself I have learned tricks. There is a number of factors which cause the sexual need to grow and by counteracting this you can minimize it. When you have generated a sexual need it cannot be circumvented except by emptying, or you will shake and cannot think straight, so proactive training must be performed all the time.
Here is a list of things you need to keep in mind at all times:
1. Do not look at a woman to desire her, even Jesus 2000 years ago talked about this, you already stimulate the sex need then and drive yourself closer to sexual frustration 2. Do not touch yourself in a way which may stimulate yourself to a sexual activity 3. Never visualize a woman in your head nor the act of sex 4. You may undesirably generate a sexual need through your healthy biology, but always wait until you shake, tickle in the organ and cannot think straight 5. Domination as in violence may actually help to stimulate the sex drive, so it might be wise to consider this 6. Anything which charges your manliness, "is macho", will probably increase the amount of hormones which in the end affects the reproductive system 7. Avoid to visualize yourself if you choose to exercise for a more bodily well-being because the thought of yourself and your progress may actually stimulate the sex drive
Arguably sexual stimulation does affect the production in the testicles and hence any sort of stimulation should be avoided always. When the testicles are full then this causes unpleasant feelings in the body even if you do not want to, and you may even get pain in them.
In the end you are right, you are inside a Homo sapiens ape species and some of its behavior can barely be controlled at all times. Eat, sleep and reproduce are things very fundamental to it. However, strict control of it is a way to exercise the mind, so if you do as much as possible to avoid the reproduction it does actually turn out to be developmental.
The only other thing I advise you to not do is to neglect sleep and (adequate) food needs. Those are not signs you have control but rather the opposite, just look at reports of misuse of smartphones and social media where people neglect sleep to remain online. There it is actually control with the opposite, to in the wake of urges put everything aside and merely sleep instead! Sleep is a programmed need of Homo sapiens and scientists say it pretty well about between 6 - 8 hours per night. I would say pretty few get around with 6 hours per night however, but the sleep need seems to shrink with the age of a Homo sapiens body. I need an average sleep of 7 hours myself, but I can range between 6,5 to 7,5 if I over multiple days have an average of 7.
There is no embarrassment of eating, it is something you must do to survive in the programmed world. Avoid getting too much food, but you do not have to eat which tastes not at all. Also eat according to the omnivore the Homo sapiens is, more vegetables than meat preferably, but remember it cannot be a vegan by natural means as vegetables lack B12 (all except some really rare ones growing in the sea). If you listen to the body's nature, you keep it an omnivore, but you require far less meat than the average human eats today. Alike in old religious lore I advise against eating pork, even if the hygiene of holding swine is less of an issue today, the pork meat holds a far lower quality than other red meats. Best is to eat fish, and perhaps chicken, and avoid red meat altogether, but pork is worst. The old talks about pork has always been true, it is not just a zealous religious law, not even a law but a recommendation. Never was a law, people twisted the words.
Sugar tastes well, but it is your worst enemy, it is a drug to the body. But if you get a distance to it, it is not as bad, but if you are addicted to it and crave for it you should begin to control intake more. Sugar consumption also has diminishing returns, you need more and you do not get as much effect from it, and you feel the negative effects due to the high dosage.
Caffeine is actually a pesticide which exists in plants but we take it as its effect is causing a stimulating effect. I have my doubts it really is like this but I think the anxiety in the body due to the toxin does actually make us imagine we are more alert, at all dosages, it only becomes more prominent when you drink a lot of coffee for example. The plants contain the caffeine as a natural pesticide, and it is that we consume! If you do not drink this you can ignore this, but if you do then think about the amounts (coffee, tea, energy drinks, pills etc).
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