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Post by Kitanai on Dec 27, 2019 16:50:52 GMT
The mother of all questions is this : Why do anything at all?
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 27, 2019 22:24:04 GMT
Hello,
Excuse me, but You need to explain a bit more about what you mean with your question. Your question is ambiguous and it is easier to answer when I do not have to guess what to answer based on assumptions of what you mean.
My hypotheses of what you mean:
- That "God" controls everything and you cannot affect your destiny - That you are determined you do not have to do any worship practices - That you feel you have lost already - That you speak of not doing anything for the shape of this world
I can probably hypothesize more, but please explain yourself a bit.
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Post by Kitanai on Dec 28, 2019 21:34:12 GMT
Hello,
Sorry, I can see that it was not made clearer about what it was meant when it was written "The mother of all questions is this : Why do anything at all?"
What it was meant is that here on earth there are "subjects/persons/-alive" and "objects/physical/virtual-reality-dead". So when subject(s) interact with the external world/sandbox/object(s) it gives rise to "action", or in other words "doing".
Even when the subject(s) choose to do nothing it is still action because there are consequences for not doing any action due to the inherit rules of the external world/object(s), for example not eating and drinking water will damage the physical
body and in the end even result in the death of the body.
Therefore we can see that the subjects in the world are "doing things" all the time , even when they choose to not do anything. However, what motivates the subjects do anything? Goals, ambitions, trying to prove something
to others and/or themselves. However there is a deeper question. Why do anything at all? When one realizes that anything the subject(s) can achieve here it is like impressing your prison mates and be the coolest prison-inmate;
vain practice it seems to be. So when one realizes this, why do anything at all? Other than entertainment of ones own curiosity/ego, why do anything at all?
Take a look from the perspective of the ones who simulate this reality. They have the technology to simulate entire realms/realities such as ours. Why would they simulate worlds and go though all the hassle and
justifying all the suffering conscious beings withstand through history of earth. Why wouldn't they just create realms of aesthetics perfection and live out their dream-scenarios for themselves? Create perfect life-times and live though them
forever and ever, enjoying existence in non-ending happiness?
However, they choose to spend their effort on bizarre things like our world, and put bizarre things into this simulation. Even if we to look at the people of the past who were regarded as being close to these "creator(s)", prophets as
they are called, how did their life go and how did they end up? Jesus regarded John the Baptists very high, and he apparently got imprisoned and go his head cut off. Jesus himself got crucified. Almost all of his apostles apparently got brutally murdered.
Does this tell us that these creators whom they regarded as "good" and were trying to get close to them, can we see that these creators gave them some sort of protection, special treatment etc.? Then why even try to get closer to them?
Because as I see there is nothing to indicate that these person(s) are positively inclined, or have a positive relation to the beings confined to earth.
We could ignore history and religion entirely and just analyze our own experience on earth and our own lives. Could you think out loud some unnecessary suffering that you needed to go through even though the simulators/creators
could easily stopped it from happening? We could of course say that the people who suffer are dummies, but we the conscious beings can feel it and go through it ourselves. Now what am I questioning is if there is some sort of a
Stockholm syndrome going on?
To what extent could one put up with bad treatment as long as the one giving the bad treatment explains to the hostage that it is for victim`s own good and that there is a greater purpose for this. With this kind of thinking could one justify any type of treatment as long as it is for "greater good"? Is there even a limit for how bad this treatment can get as long as it is for a "greater good"?
What if as the matrix movie depicts a truer reality, where minds inside the earth-simulation are being used as energy-source extraction, and therefore the simulation ensures to put the minds into state of suffering because at this state the mind gives of its energy? Or its just a movie?
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 28, 2019 23:32:30 GMT
Hello,
Indeed your elaboration is elaborate enough now.
I can see what concerns you have and based on what input you have it is only logical to reach a conclusion like it. You mention suffering and lots of it including brutally murdered prophets. However, the stories never reveal whether Jesus feels whatever pain is expected from a man hanging on a cross. It is a pretty slow agonizing pain to be crucified and that was the intention with the execution method compared to a hanging.
I take stories like it with a grain of salt as humanity always has a tendency to over-dramatize things. Doubtfully I think that Elahem would intentionally let these men suffer as part of a prophecy in the manner described. It is not evidence itself, but if you see the final time at the court Jesus barely speaks a word, it would appear he is pretty absent-minded.
A beheading is very gross, but it actually has minimal exposure to pain except for the split second the axe cuts the head and the person is dead. Growing old may have similar pains involved. Being beheaded may be the least painful of all three execution methods.
But you are right, Elahem let these maniacs carry out their madness, i.e. the clergymen and authorities.
You should know they do their utmost to keep you in the shadows, in the darkness. I know they expect absolutely strong-minded subjects as is evident in the last revelation. The world is made corrupting intentionally and it may not be easy to believe in anything good. You need to understand that it is all a deception.
It is correct Elahem are not bound to what we judge is good or bad, such rules mankind has invented themselves. However, doing bad just for the sake of bad has no meaning, it is not productive.
Furthermore the reason why Elahem has not created "the perfect organism" is because you cannot create life the way you believe, it is the reason why it is kept this way. All animals including the animal Homo Sapiens our "soul seeds" reside in and all of their behaviors is created by Elahem, but why not our souls? Truth is this is how Elahem "reproduces" if to speak figuratively. Think of it as that Elahem placed an embryo of its own origin inside the world as the womb, except that they placed loads of them, much like the sperm that swim inside a woman at the fertilization of a female egg.
I have not researched much about the origin of Elahem and how the whole unitarian existence works, but there are answers in that to why it is like this. Everything of what you see of how the world has been made can work as allegories for how Elahem as a unit works. When you think enough of it the truth may seem pretty bizarre most probably and the truth behind your existence is likely weird to how you would perceive it.
I hope you understand why Elahem could not skip parts and just create a perfect specimen and begone with the problem. True life does not appear to work this way. It is the same as that mankind cannot create an AI of a machine that exists by itself because they cannot give it the soul it requires to be a person. No matter how much humans experiment they will never be able to create an AI which is a true person. This was just an attempt at making you understand the issue here.
Now I understand that if you would see Elahem as your mother or father then whoever would expose their children to such a harmful environment?
It is actually not good to be overprotective of your children to begin with, they risk not becoming sufficiently independent... and bingo this is exactly why humans are exposed to this world: "To become independent beings!". Same principle is true for the human mind, it is let to wander off on its own feet so to say. But, I admit that no parent would just dump their children somewhere and never contact them again, alike the situation we have it.
However, once again the truth is quite special and after all the world including the animals with their varying behavior are just artificially created for some purpose and it must not resemble the truth at every point.
Read about the mothers of the harp seals for example.
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 29, 2019 12:48:55 GMT
Hello again,
I did not really finish last night. Had to cut it there.
Not sure I got to the point, although the topic is quite abstract.
It is a correct observation that the world is not exactly peaceful but rather brute, and undeniably it was created (projected) that way. Truth is, however, that it has been made that way in order to deceive and it is explicitly written in the last revelation, and that may conceal a more orderly background force which is not as chaotic as Earth.
Hence the Earth, our world, is made this way in order to make you believe it is perfectly normal and drive you to behave in a similar fashion, and thus test your life force of being as a soul, and expect that you draw the conclusion that following these instincts is of evil (or darkness as the old Semitic writing puts it), and that must happen through your own development of the mind and pure willpower.
That does not remove the fact that we do suffer in this world at some point or another, or for a whole lifetime. That is outright cruel of course. Could it have been different and have the same effect? I cannot answer the question from my position, my point of view as I do not know the whole story, only just more than the average person on Earth. I can hypothesize based on whatever I have read and that is an assumption that you cannot accumulate the same results without this fierce testing, it is the most efficient way to yield the best results.
On the other hand, in defense of the testers, is that in many ways do humanity bring misery upon themselves by the way that they fare on Earth.
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 29, 2019 13:19:12 GMT
My recommendation to you is to not be too suspicious over vile intentions and take the situation for what it is. Yes, the world looks grim and totally horrible, but you also know this is intended for a certain purpose.
You are wise to do something and that is to do something about yourself and your mental consciousness, this is the main objective of yours and whoever else wants to strive for completeness. It does not help to let yourself give up despite if Elahem were to be evil and suck your life energy in some kind of bizarre harvest of you as a subject. In that case your only escape is to go against the stream and show a strength of mind and in a way impress on your originators in such a fashion you are worth more alive than consumed, hence your most logical move is to do your utmost for the development of your mind.
I have already reflected upon it and the probability makes it unlikely that you can survive going up against Elahem, it is best to choose a diplomatic solution in order to approach them, their sheer power is more than you can overcome in mental capacity and that is required to "win" over them in a direct revolt. First of all they existed before you did and the include successful subjects during this world's timeline, they have had immensely more opportunity to strengthen their hive-mind-like existence. This is why you are such an exposed and vulnerable being in this world as you have little to put up against them and you cannot just use the mind to stop the subjection. If your mind could overcome the projection you could change your situation "by your own machine", now you can only do it if Elahem allows it.
Conclusion is, it is better to join them than fight them, even if you believe their ulterior motives are poorly executed and unnecessary. Another reason you coexist with other beings is to show your ability to get along with them. Different ideas about things do also create conflict of interest and this must be dealt with peacefully despite that you do not get your idea through. Humans have a tendency to become rebellious and hostile when others are different in mind compared to themselves. This is something we have to work on together with other things of course.
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Post by Kitanai on Dec 29, 2019 19:23:50 GMT
Thank you for an answer. By the way you write, I make the assumption that you still care and that's quite of a bit of fresh air, even though I might be wrong in my assumption. Usually, it seems, people, who start to realize the artificially projected/created nature of reality and their situation in it they start to go down into the road of "nihilism": Why do anything at all, it is all meaningless, even our own creator(s) do not love us and probably there is/are no creator(s) because he/they would not let things go the way they do, etc.
The nihilistic world view does not bring anything other than nothing to nothing. The nihilist belief is self-sabotaging because it doesn't make the person to cling to action, because it gives the ideas that all actions are meaningless and dont give a way out from meaninglessness.
Other people do the opposite saying things like hippies did in the 60`s: Its all about love. Which I would think they developed such worldview from their use of psychedelics such as LSD and mushrooms, which give outside-of-the-box ideas to people and make them feel that these ideas are very important. And in this psychedelic states they do have direct-experiences of hell, other-worldly beings telling them it is all about love and the thing that holds reality together is love. One of the people I knew once told me that in his psychedelic state he experienced that death is not possible for consciousness, that it is the mind projecting/creating the brain/body and not the other way around. One can wonder...
However!: To play the devils advocate, to really take their words for truth we must take the assumption that direct-experience=truth. However, we know that direct-experiences can be deceiving, dont we? Someone sees a mirage, does he see it for real? From his perspective, yes he does, but is it true? Again question is direct-experience=truth?
This shows me that even direct=experiences cannot be trusted. What can be trusted then? If all external experience could be a facade. The way I see at this point is we have ourselves, our minds at all conscious times. To trust our minds/ourselves would be the best mode of action. And in order to make ourselves/our minds as reliable as possible we need to make it as clean as possible and get rid from it all the trash/waste. Yes, it seems we can truly rely on our minds, but it seems like peoples minds are not their best allies too because their minds are filled with unnecessary trash/waste. If only we could perfect our minds then we could rely on something more helpful then the external stimulus which can be always deceiving.
It is the external stimuli/sense that tells us we are on earth, we are homo-sapiens, males/females, etc. If we to ignore this external stimuli and take it as a mirage, what do we see? Thats the interesting part, it seems like we dont truly know who we are ourselves, not fully at the least. Of course we can feel for ourselves we are our own Minds/I am`s, but do we have the utmost full understanding of ourselves and our nature?
As you say it the most productive mode of action is to start digging our true selves out from inside out, to bring forth the treasures of heavens as Jesus told in the gospels. And I agree with you, even if the subjects that dont impress upon the testers will be drawn energy from or of something similar it would still be the most logical way of action to try to develop ourselves to such an extent that it would be more logical for the testers to save us as subjects. So to speak give an offer that someone cant refuse.
Again if we to dvelve deeper into this, what makes the testers and same ? What do we have in common? Yes it is Being. They have their own individual-consciousness, they are persons/beings and we too have our own individual-consciousness, they are persons/beings, even if our level of development are not the same. So question arises where is that source from which our own individual Being/Person projects from? Wouldnt it make sense that there is one source which projects all the beings in existence and then question is this source a Being himself/itself or it is without a mind/person-ality?
And it seems that we wont find the answers to this questions in the external/projected reality. The answers inside us, we must go down to the source which is the source of the testers themselves, or maybe I am wrong in my reasoning but now I cannot see a flaw in this thinking.
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 31, 2019 12:44:05 GMT
Hello,
It was more that I was concerned about your stance towards life through the question you had. I am far from "nihilistic" which I had hoped was already clear from whatever I write around here.
I have also had paranormal communication with "them" and experienced the kind of "aura" there is among them. They are fairly diverse and more personal per each of then than anyone might think. These experiences have made me beyond doubt there is a supernatural existence on top of this world, even though I was already certain about it before they revealed themselves.
Good to know about them is to know that they may use deception and trickery with you, especially in your first encounter with them, to portray the stereotypical image of "God" as in requiring unquestionable worship and reverence. When I did not fall for their initial deception they did actually commend me straight out, and their attempts were pretty fierce. Many have fallen to their attempts at misleading people and Judaism, Christianity and Islam are evidence of this.
Many of those who claim to have had contact with "God" have actually had that, but it does not necessarily mean they are right because Elahem mislead people on purpose. The product of Islam is the most recent of that where a book called Quran is used to project a whole religious invention in the name of "God". Ironically the book Quran is innocent and contains a writing of a vastly different topic than the one those mislead people derived. It is like Jesus came and interpreted the old Jewish writings with astonishing precision, the Jewish clergymen just derived a lot of nonsense from it.
Point is, you should not even trust Elahem without first using your own intellect for while Elahem are supernatural and powerful, they do not refrain from outright deception. If something does not sound sensible and logical it rarely is, especially when you go to religious worship. The only question people would have to ask themselves is "why would God even need us to worship, are they not better than that?" The feeling of wanting to be lifted unto a piedestal is a human vanity.
What I have learned is that they ignore you unless you prove worthy of their attention. Merely believing that they exist is not enough, you need to know that they exist by conclusion from reflection since it is possible to conclude logically that something supernatural exists. Furthermore they expect that you do something to improve once you know as well.
This leaves us to what is our only personal "chore" in this life which is development, to improve and grow to mental maturity.
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 31, 2019 13:24:05 GMT
You asked "what do we have in common?" in relationship to Elahem.
Our mind "seed" (as to call it something) is based on Elahem's image, and that is actually written in the Biblical Genesis, between all the nonsensical interpretations, but just that line is actually properly translated interesting enough (as if they let mindless humans man do something right in between where they did not). So the phrase "man was made in God's image" is actually right.
But Elahem are mature beings while man is not. Created in the same image means they share the same potential for development, not that they necessarily ever become mature. Consider the parable of human female fertilization of her egg from the ovary where loads of sperms rush to fertilize the egg so it begins to grow in the uterus. The point is a multitude of sperms never become anything but they lose the race and only the first to the egg will be combined with the egg and become a fetus. Consider that you are the sperm and Elahem the eggs. Elahem have granted that the world is possible to use for parables, and this is a perfect example.
Furthermore the woman body in that case is a good metaphor, because she does not only produce one egg but many over her lifetime and can have multiple children.
Likewise our world is no exception when it comes to competition, you may very well compete against many different subjects for becoming incorporated into Elahem but the merging is not limited to one individual but multiple subjects may move on. But due to the generally poor performance of humanity, mostly due to the very hard challenge and intense deception, the total of subjects may be counted on your fingers over one millennium for example. If I knew how many I would be with Elahem already, but I am sure they are scarce who have made it, Jesus did also reveal the same that it took not listening to the bodily to be able to join "the kingdom" as translations put it.
Man's body is a weakness and we cannot shy away from that it leads to one's undoing. You need to stand firmly above it. Your whole challenge is based on that body, it is your priority to master it. Each time you let its instincts rule over you, you have failed to resist. Besides your struggle with the body you only have secondary objectives, which means if you are devoted you do not have much else to worry about. Secondary objectives are helping others or finding out more about the underlying truth using your logic and reason, and the likes.
Much like all those abundant, and most doomed to fail, sperms, this is a way for Elahem to multiply which sounds bizarre in itself but nevertheless the truth. It requires a person to actually actively strive for success because it will not come by merely roaming around aimlessly on Earth and especially not indulging in what it has to offer. What can you do when you compete against myriad other subjects?
As for the qouta it is flexible because a woman can have twins or more. And remember this is only using worldly parables.
So what did Elahem do?
They did flush out loads and loads of seeds, they did not even intend for all of those to become more than a sprout. It is like a farmer just scattering out seeds in the soil he just prepared but the farmer does not even care for the cultivation but is more interested in seeing what will become of it if he does not do anything. And then you know that there will be the risk of weeds and all of that...
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Post by Kitanai on Jan 1, 2020 15:09:48 GMT
Immanuel, the issue is that we cant even trust our own direct-experience(s). For example, consider the people who the materialistic science deem as "schizophrenic", these people might see/hear very strange things for the common folk. Or maybe materialistic science calls them "schizophrenic" because everything that is out of the "norm" it deems as crazy/unexplained-inapplicable to reality.
But what is the "normal" reality anyways? Everything that humans consider to be "normal" it is just one specific type of reality that was projected by Elahem that humans got used to, and as humans like patterns and repetitions, we cling to "normality" or in other words we cling to the idea(s) of what is the normal reality, which is nothing other then one specific type of projection by Elahem that we had for a long time enough for us to get convinced/fooled that reality can only be such and it is THE "normal" standard that anything else needs to be referenced to and adhere to.
What if the people who might be roaming the earth at this point who were labeled as "schizophrenic", are just people who have a bigger perception of "reality" but due to not sufficient mind-power they cannot handle it and go "unstable/crazy".
Those of us who understand better, we know that what we call "reality" could be anything/shaped into anything imaginable and imagination is the limit really, if you imagine the idea of a limit in the first place he-he.
For example you say Elahem tested you by communicating to you in a stereotypical God-image, and as you told me you did not adhere to this image and they commanded you for seeing through their test, so I suppose after that your communication with them went through differently?
At the same time consider please if their deception/testing has multiple layers and if it involves things such as reverse psychology for example?
For example if two people have widely different direct-experiences of the same phenomenon, which of those direct-experiences is the true one? In other words what decides which direct-experiences is the truer one?
For example I know a person who had a direct experience of hellish-realm, she told me that when she was there it felt like an eternity and all the negative emotions that you can think of were combined into one and were incredible strong, despair, pain, fear all of those together felt in a realm where when she-her mind was there NO logical thinking and reasoning could gotten her out of there, however she experienced it with her own eyes/mind and she says even to till this day that even anything can be called as "hell" it can be it.
I just share this personal testimony of a my acquaintance with you. Of course, most probably you will most logically say that you can only be sure if you experience such a thing yourself in a direct-experience. In addition you most probably can say that even without a direct-experience you can by reason conclude that a higher power would not create hell-like environment and torture someone(s) there, that they are above that.
There is a third possibility and it is that what she experienced was not a projection by someone else/Elahem(?) But it was a projection of her own mind. However, this sprouts good questions such as: If it was her mind`s projection and she/her-Being did not want to experience it and wanted to escape but couldn't, does that mean then that The Mind and Being are two separate entities, at least in those persons who are not complete as a person?
In this case we can reason if the mind is a separate entity from us? I mean what if when Jesus said when you make the two into you will enter Kingdom of Heaven. What if he meant when we become rulers of our own minds and make our Being + Mind into One whole, then we will be Whole/Complete and enter the "Kingdom-of-Heaven".
What if all these "hellish" experiences that people have direct experience is because of their corrupt minds which is a separate entity from their Being, in their case because they are still not complete. And they become prisoners and victims of their mind; however technically calling it "their" mind would be incorrect because they are not rulers of their mind, if they were they would not let their mind torture them, like in her case.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 1, 2020 22:28:34 GMT
Hello,
I used "normal" in the perspective of humans on Earth in an objective sense and not what you or me consider normal.
We cannot trust what we see, hear or even smell i.e. from our perception of this world, but we can trust our unbiased mind which we made independent from the body, much like our friend Jesus, or Buddha (Jesus is a kind of Buddha anyways, word means that someone is enlightened and is similar to the Arabic word people translate as prophet slightly incorrectly), said in his teachings. An independent and wise mind can persevere through difficulties, but it also takes determination, patience and devotion, all traits which are mentioned by the last revelation within the first chapter already only 50 lines in have they been mentioned.
A recurring theme of the old mysterious text is "instincts are from/upon yourselves" and "beware of indulgence of such is indulging you" and "move away from the instincts", that is the topic of a great part of it. By indulgence it refers to whatever is causing your mind to be preoccupied with something in this Earth. Furthermore it tells that indulgence brings a passion upon people and this is misleading, and that it says in its very first chapter speaking of their path in life.
You mean that they have been using deception twice? Trust me, I have anticipated this move too and I am always wary of their moves against me. I have been taught to always be on guard.
Their initial psychological behavior towards me was the classical religious style and this was reverse psychology and it does not take much logic to draw this conclusion either. The test in itself is if I easily submit to a master, for example, a king and become a mindless servant following their agenda, the act of (mindless) submission is not exactly what what are looking for.
What the reality looks like beyond the world and what I am/we are being trained for is unknown to me, but I can deduct what it is they want it for and I can make qualified guesses of the next step so to say. I could dislike them for whatever they do but I keep myself neutral in lack of knowledge and do not rule out much of the suffering perceived is also an illusion. I have even been so paranoid I sometimes test the hypothesis that everything around me is an automated projection, just like a computer game and things hence do not really happen much different from a book. My mind has wandered between some truly living beings to only myself, I am still torn between what is the truth there. I know from the scripture that people who live the instinctive life are "unbegotten" as per term, so it could be a semi-truth. I do not really feel comfortable that people exist as real subjects and are so victimized they live useless lives lost in an illusion, it might as well be the truth, and it pains me to know, but I cannot do much about it and what I can do I already do, via this forum. I could live as a hidden enlightened one who gave no attention to people and let them continue to wander aimlessly, but I have decided not to.
Your acquaintance may have experienced what you described, but it does not necessarily mean that she interpreted it properly. "Hell" as an environment of eternal punishment does not exist because it has no meaning in a longer perspective and the traditional idea is based on God's punishment and this implies that there are emotions involved, emotions which are in fact vain as they accomplish nothing productive. Even I can see the idiocy of an eternal hell from my perspective, how would not an omnipotent mind do it?
The only explanation if it was like that is God in fact had emotions and a gain from an emotional outburst. Then you can ask if you do feel better when you have an emotional outburst, do you think clearer? No, when you are emotional your judgement is clouded, and for humans it usually means we give ruling to our body to respond.
If this is the true God I will rather die, cease to exist because I have a natural disgust to it. For all which is in the world I abhor it and I am tired of it. People tire not only my body but they tire my very being, as I am prophesied to say, those very words I am supposed to utter. Think if not only people tired me but also God? What a nightmare!
It is the knowledge of Elahem which actually is that thin rope which lets me hang in, without knowing that purpose I would rather vanish forever, for life pesters me so. But I have confidence in that this is true and that Elahem stand for something greater than how humanity portray him/them and this is my salvation.
Know this, I by no means force you to follow my teachings or whatever was taught in the past by similar people, it is against what I have been taught to threaten people with anything for not following me. The prescription is also very straightforward and uncomplicated, the only major thing to do is to develop the mind into growing better. This doing can be done regardless of what is the ultimate truth, and another deception of theirs is to infuse ideas to fight over between humans, and being rallied to fight is a loss in itself. People have come here more than once to raise a conflict or debate with me and I say the same words every time.
I stand firm on that each one must be:
Wise, logical and intelligent Determined, steadfast and patient Unbiased, independent and mentally strong
Obeying the bodily is a dead-end and any truly wise person reaches this conclusion. Any unwise person is believing in religious worship and connect bodily abstention to plain obedience. The reason why we abstain is plainly functional and a remedy.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 2, 2020 6:58:56 GMT
Note: I did not mean you raise a conflict or debate. It was just an example of my disinterest in certain activities and that being right or wrong is not what is important when looking at some details which certain people may argue about. One example is if God is one or many, some people may argue against the polytheism while it is irrelevant. It is fine if someone wants to tell me God is one because it is true as well however, because it is a unity, a singularity (which all the elevated beings belong to).
There is one thing I like from the traditional interpretation of Quran, regardless if it is wrong or not and that is: "the human is most argumentative". I have seen that humans are drawn into conflicts over things even if they agree on the overall matter.
I may know things for a fact, but if someone insists something else is true it may not always be necessary to argue over it. This is why I always tone down on certain aspects.
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Post by Kitanai on Jan 2, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
I agree very much so that it is a vain activity to argue over details, especially if any convictions regarding these details do not bring any change to anything other than satisfying one's own sense of being "right". I will be honest and say that I know one thing certainly that is that most probably the number of things I "know" are much less compared to the number of things I do not know, and even the knowledge I do have already might not entirely be true. What I can do is analyze/pose judgment on the things I experienced throughout my current life-time and the knowledge/texts etc. that are available on earth. And of course, use my logical thinking to think for myself about what might "truth" be. And what I understand at this point is that the highest priority is the main issue of human existence: THE MAIN ISSUE: We conscious Beings are trapped/limited to experience reality through these animal-bodies, these bodies are fragile, weak, naive, unstable biological-machines. And the earth-world itself too is not without any negatives. Of course, when we stop sugar-coating our situation on earth it is easy to become depressed, paranoid, at least that what I felt and feel some times till these days and I get the impression you too feel this way sometimes. Sometimes I thought myself why did I open this pandora's box that broke the illusion of "normal" human life for me because that I cant no longer fully go back to my "normal/ignorant" life, BUT! But at the same time, I understand that this is like a blessing in disguise even if the path onward seems so frightening in the sense that it is a lonely path, where you feel like you are on your own because not even your own family/friends will understand you and when in addition to this it feels like "the higher power" too not only does NOT help you but also makes thinks intentionally harder for you, and as a result, you feel even more alone. If we think about it there might be a line between something being very, very hard and something being son hard that it just turns someone disillusioned. But I guess Elahem do understand that when they move the difficulty-slider so much higher and higher, the number of subjects able to qualify becomes smaller and smaller. I wonder why embraced such an elitist agenda? Why do they need exactly these kinds of subjects, arent the number of subjects making up the collective enough for their circle, when they could infinitely grow stronger in their minds why such a need for additional persons? Makes you think/wonder... As information, I want to share something that the gospel of Thomas speaks about this phenomenon: 2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign overall. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
Of course, the translation might not be perfect, but I guess one can see the pattern which Jesus allegedly wanted to tell: that those who want "truth" should NEVER EVER stop seeking and when they will find "truth" they will be disturbed and afterward they will marvel and reign overall, and who reigns overall? Isn't it Elahem? If this gospel verse is a true testimony, doesn't that mean that Jesus tells us that in the end result the one who goes through this path will become one of Elahem? Maybe thats why these kind of gopels were not accepted by the catholic church as "canon". We all have our own weaknesses and regards those weaknesses people just say that "that's just how I am", but if we are Living Beings and not pre-programmed-personalities, then we should be able to become anything we put our will into, isn't it so? We do run away from pain and go after pleasure(s), but what if we need to change this mindset? What if it is the most painful things which our minds avoid the most that we need to work on? Immanuel, PLEASE do NOT take this/understand-this as some sort of evil-intended speech: However, I might need to say this, what if as you wrote in your earlier posts that you can only be motivated because someone gives you a reason to do something, and that is your main issue, as in your own words. And as we see Elahem communicated with you before but now that you feel unmotivated to continue the project they do not help you in any way, what if they do it intentionally? What if you are exactly in this kind of situation because it is as if you are forced to be faced with your issue with that you can only be motivated because someone gives you a reason to do something? What if this way they want you to deal with/get better at this issue? And by placing you in this kind of scenario, how can you continue the project, when you don't feel external encouragement/reasons? Exactly, it seems that the project can only continue if you by sheer force/will of your own Being motivate yourself from inside to continue the project, this way Elahem makes you work with your main issue (as in your own words) and make sure that the project progresses in its completion! By setting up this scenario Elahem hit/target two birds with one stone, isn't it clever? I will also encourage you and try to help you to feel that your work is appriaciated and is not seen in a vain light by others on earth. If I can help with some other aspects tell me please.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 2, 2020 16:52:54 GMT
No offense taken and I have thought that it may be a test, yes. I never abandoned the project either and have not said I will, but it has been stalled for time. I have not been passive over time but worked on my own person in the meantime. Recently I have picked up some speed and have worked actively on the interpretation and translation project.
Be aware that some prophecies must take place as well, such as that I am prophesied to express an intense tiredness with people around me. Such things can only take place if I feel like I have done. It does not say it must be a permanent condition but the situation is something I must deal with. Furthermore they may have planned to assist me with progression when certain conditions have been met.
Alike with Jesus it appears to be a tradition of prophesied individuals to have some weird/strange/special conditions they must meet, because the prophecies have been written in advanced in a certain way. It is like some awkward piece of a manuscript which must be played.
In ways I cannot help the entirety of my situation, as you know Elahem can affect my body even though I can resist their works but the ultimate control is in their hands. I can be strong and I can fight back and I can potentially defeat whatever they set up against me, this is the truth. You must remember that the instinct is Elahem's doing and they can make your particular body act in a special way against you and be an extra pain to you since it has its own eccentric behavior. Not even you and me must necessarily have to deal with the identical issues. This may be what has been written in the Manifestation about several conditions.
What I wrote before is not what I write today and then it was nearly passive aggression in the heat of the situation, I was annoyed by Elahem and their vague guidance and that I have to dig myself for whatever they want me to learn. Since then I have been told that they help me if I am devoted, if I read the writings they do assist me. I need to understand that my talent for interpreting these writings may very well be assisted by them passively and I need to appreciate this more and maintain my determination better.
Whatever I am dealing with is fine-balancing my character and yes it is being tested.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 2, 2020 21:27:11 GMT
I am also aware of that how I feel, when it comes to my intensive feeling of tiredness with humans, might come across as arrogant and this is not intended, it just pains me.
Nevertheless, I have actually practiced self-therapy in recent time and it seems to have helped. Over some months the worst agonizing sensations have diminished and what I wrote mere months ago is no longer as bad and unbearable. Truth is human things still bore me tremendously, but I can manage to have patience with it. I have trained myself to change attitude by reflecting more on that it does not help me to be bothered and that I should be more understanding to why everything is the way it is.
Furthermore I have had problems with motivation to continue the interpretation and translation project based on the before-mentioned issues. I may have found a way to deal with myself in order to get more work hours into it now. I have also tried to deal with myself in how I am recently and hopefully improved my being.
They, Elahem, did also faintly come to me in my thoughts and infused me with comfort and thoughts of theirs. I am always careful to not believe I am "hearing things" in my mind, and certainly I was clear and empty in thoughts when this was conveyed. They did not directly rebuke me, but I could sense that there was a certain annoyance that I was not devoted to what I should be doing. It is after that I have got going again. What they did "tell" was that I "must do it", they never even mentioned what but I obviously knew intuitively what they referred to and they knew I did.
Ironically it was after that I had a breakthrough in the translation of the first chapter, a ridiculous "aha" sensation for a segment of text which should be easy for my skill. Anyway, the phrase says "Are you devoted and you have assistance" (literally) which can be paraphrased for easier English reading into "If you are devoted you have help". I felt terribly hit by this phrase and was thinking about it for days after that. Not to mention the phrase is in second-person singular.
Personally I find the project to be incredibly difficult, I am amazed I even progress with it and now I know I do so because I have assistance.
I am also beginning to grasp better what is meant in the saying "I am who I am". Becoming assimilated with Elahem means I can share minds with people even if I am so much a beginner I must struggle hard to sense it takes place. I need to practice on this sensory perception and mind-melding. I did understand what it means by the saying "I am who I am", but I never realized I am to be with them simultaneously in my mind. It is actually fairly thrilling to progress from here and it is new grounds for me.
I have overcome the body pretty well already, but this activation of the mind takes a lot of life energy. It takes a lot of focus and concentration. I did many years ago practice so that I could be in a meditative trance always and it helped develop my mind. Now I sense I need to use my ability to maintain a trance to enforce my mind over matter utterly, if you understand what I mean.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 3, 2020 8:57:53 GMT
It is hard to tell what happened after Jesus teaching and if his teachings were taught properly some time after his death. The corrupting religious authority undeniably destroyed his legacy totally in time regardless. From what I have read his disciples were persecuted.
Problem is I have no access to the original Gospels in ancient Greek and cannot verify if these are better than the translated English versions and many translations are badly made. I know however that the English one suffers from common misconceptions of Semitic languages and how they are spoken. Amen, amen is kept untranslated despite that it is easily translated into another language which may indicate the translators were bad at what they were doing and people barely knew what amen means.
The religious authority would not be able to rule if each individual was their own god, so it is understandable that they could not accept Jesus' teaching from that point of view. Jesus taught a non-centralized rule and it may have caused a problem for the religious elite.
And as you know, the monotheistic beliefs have been strong for millennia and the Pagan grip of strange religious practices. Jesus inability to show himself powerful and glorious alike Solomon did also make Jewish people disbelieve in him because they had other expectations of the Messiah to come. They had furthermore not expected whatever he taught about becoming one with God whereas the Jewish teachings say no one can become similar to God and hence there was a great conflict and many Jews did believe it was just trickery of Satan or a demon, which Jesus himself did debunk however, but for the common Jew it did not have enough effect of course.
The reason Gospel of Thomas and other Gospels were not accepted is because the teaching violates the main principles of the dogma. There is an alternative Gospel called Gospel of Marcion too which is fairly good.
They did do everything in their power to avoid people believing Jesus taught that anyone could be like him even if the very Gospels in the Bible actually teach it if people care to read the text carefully and objectively. They invented so the text said "only begotten son of God" for example and such phrases. I am interested in seeing what the phrase is in Aramaic for a proper translation. Anyways, the text itself renders that claim wrong as Jesus guarantees that people who do like him will be "children of God", i.e. they will be sons of daughters of God exactly like the term "only son of God" says the opposite about. If you look here it is inconsistent but the truth is that everyone who does like Jesus will also be like him and Elahem.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 4, 2020 11:21:23 GMT
If you wish to help in some other way start to spread the word and be open about your acquired lifestyle after you learned the truth behind our existence. Being open about this can be problematic and inconvenient, but it is important to subtly influence others. For people who are not receptive it may be best to just slowly affect them.
It is important that we are not silent or invisible about our low-affection towards matter and the exercised lifestyle. The superiority of the functionality of the mind must show from the practice since it is the result of this teaching and of course it needs to shine across the world. People will be prejudiced towards it, believe we remove anything worth living for and we must highlight the reasons why all the things they believe to be living for is just very instinctive and more meaningless than they believe. This persuasion is what is most difficult, to get people to even try low-affection towards worldly matters to be able to see the gradual change it brings with it over time.
What is important to remember is people do not have to become extremists, the common religious messages are usually bringing it too far. Mind that Jesus was accused of being a drunkard and a glutton by some contemporaries because he was not extreme in abstention like the religiously inclined. Any objective individual would obviously never call him a glutton and a drunkard knowing his way of living, but religious people are seldom objective in their approach.
What people are to do is just becoming mindful of their indulgence of what is indulging them and reflect on if it really does make them excel and to be truly happy. If people began to reflect they would soon realize they just do the same thing day in and day out for some superficial matter and for meaningless long-term goals, not to mention they will soon die anyway and bring nothing with them. People often confuse this teaching with just waiting for death and to sit passive with no drive for anything, because that is what religions usually teach.
Truth is you just gradually free your mind towards that which is indulging you and preoccupies your mind, and do meaningful things instead. Things like reflection, mind exercises and so on is what you should do, things which have to do as little with the body as possibly can.
For the truly unreceptive this you cannot begin to say though, they need to hear less "extreme" things based on their perception of things. This forum I made is not really meant for a "beginner", it probably scares people away or at least they do not understand a thing and just dismiss it. This forum is indended for people who have already themselves understood the whole general concept and want to expand what they know, people who somehow can embrace that their mind is above matter.
What we must do is to get people to reflect and be unsure about their reality, and somehow understand they live in just a fake world.
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Post by Kitanai on Jan 4, 2020 20:10:32 GMT
Your determination is inspiring, and being determined is the way to move forward. Of course the Elahem have a big advantage in the sense that Elahem are not limited to the perception only of this world, while people on earth are, so whatever one experiences one can always think about if it was for "real" or it was another "simulation/mirage" by Elahem. Therefore it is difficult indeed for one to split wheat from tares, where is the real truth and where is the illusion of truth. However to move forward we need to put ourselves into perfect order and split wheat from tares in ourselves then maybe we will be able to split wheat from tares in the outside world. Yes, the prophecies seem to work like a movie-script where creating script elements must manifest by the will of the "director". And yes the script might involve suffering and dramatic elements and it seems that the Elohim do not shy away from making things harder and harder. But again one aspect of these things being "hard" might be because of our identification and submission to the bodily-identity/nature. In this case we are to blame for not being better. Stop entertaining these self-limiting beliefs/story-elements and realize that there is no limit to Perfection, because if perfection had a limit would it really truly be Perfect? Regarding that Elahem help one when one is actively in the act of doing, that is something that I was starting to sense myself too in recent times. It seems the underlying system works in such way that one must trough one`s own will/willingness and effort start actively pursuing enlightenment and then the Elahem will start helping the person in his path as long as the person is doing the work actively himself. Its gradual process but it seems that in each of our own destiny we are our own main catalyser/engine. Therefore if above "equation" is correct, indeed it might be correct that your work on analysis of these texts might be helped by the Elahem, but as long as the main-engine is running and that would be yourself, your will and action. Yes I too coming into realization in the recent weeks that the world of Elohim is not somewhere out there but is inside of us, "the bridge" between us and them is in our minds, so yes in a way they are closer to us then we would like to think. It is just in this world we are used to hearing only or own thoughts because we all are confined and separated by our individual bodies, but it seems that in the "real" existence there is no such thing and beings are not separated in such way as beings on earth are. I am therefore, sincerely happy for you if you get to know the "kingdom-of-heaven" and get closer to them in your mind and as you say yourself you are already feeling that you are starting to sense this new sensory perception for you. I myself did not have this experience yet so I gladly looking forward to it , or maybe I did but wasnt conscious enough to perceive it? Well in the end it seems it all boils down to consciousness and how consciousness we are, in the end the "kingdom-of-heaven" exist even if we do or do not perceive, it is there at all times, it is just us who need to raise our consciousness to be able to perceive this reality. I would be untruthful if I would say I can understand fully what is the meaning of the words when you speak "meditative trance always". However, I would share what I find to be effective to withstand the "pressures" of this reality and that is by trying to realize that I am purely mind and the body I have nothing to do with with me other then a superficial attachment to it, I am not a female/male, not a human on earth, I am purely mind/me : This way I have a higher chance of acting based on purely my mind and perceive the world around me with less bias/tainting. It is not as simple to do, because people might not realize but the way they perceive and act in the world most of the time influenced by their identity with their bodies. Yes, relying 100% on texts which are not even the original transcriptions but might more be like translations of another translations which were translations of another etc. The very true meaning might have been lost. However, if what Jesus taught and experienced and did was possible 2000 years ago it should be also now, if we understand that "kingdom-of-heaven" was/is always existent and time is not a factor. In other words we-should-be-able to/can interact with the reality of the "higher power" in a direct experience/communication where there is no shadow of a doubt left, and do anything that is possible and according to our true will.
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Post by Kitanai on Jan 4, 2020 20:56:44 GMT
Something very related to this is my recent experiences: Whatever I start to talk about the nature of reality and why we exist what might the underlying meaning be etc. : it results with people NOT trying to look into the broader sense/picture and try to find "truth" in a dialogue but people usually just cling to couple of words that were said by me in the argument and/or go to personal attacks/insults, which in the end just doesn't yield anything productive other than they want to start a verbal-fight/sparring with you personally.
Thats why it seems like even before I start the discussion about this things the person(s) I am discussing with need to be open-minded and humble to consider the fact that everything we know for a "fact" might not be factual at all, this way when we have nothing to defend for our personal gain can we have a chance of a un-bias dialogue where we discuss logically reasons for our existence and of existence as a whole. People should have the "we all are in the same boat and we should try to cooperate together in order to crack this puzzle" and not just fight each other endlessly.
At the same time allegedly Jesus said that when one lights a lamp one does not put it under table but puts it on something tall so the light could be seen by all and the light could shine its light onto others. I agree with this reasoning of his, even if he didn't say this thing, it still makes sense to me.
And I can see you are thinking the same way too regarding this. One cannot shy away from his/her own light and we should be proud of ourselves and not diminish who we are like the "new-age spiritual people" judge others who have confidence in themselves as being arrogant/ego-like. Why should we be ashamed of having an individual I? Having an ego is that is what you are, again people seem to go from one polarity to another, from being egoistical to trying to cease to destroy their individuality/ego fully and becoming ashamed of their ego and of the fact that they exist at all, this is again not productive.
We exist as individuals for a reason, if we were to exist as individuals just to cease to exist or like some people even make a conscious effort to destroy their own ego/individuality it would make our existence to be in vain.
Now it is understandable why Jesus called it being "fishers" of man, because you dont force feed the bait to the fish, you put the bait into the sea and wait for the fish to react from its own will to the bait, and let the fish choose should it catch the bait or not and then you could go to the next steps from there.
So it seems the best we can do at this point is to be the best versions of ourselves, and become more and more perfect with each day and let our light be an example and the receptive persons will react to it. Maybe also this what Jesus mean with his saying "Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them."
Of course this is not something of a "global" plan. But one man could have a strong positive impact on many-many peoples. And if Elahem are living beings, we could interact with them and things could move forward in any fashion, even if they wrote the script, they can also change the script or disregard it entirely for a new script, it is not like they worship their own written script as an unquestionable authority, right?
We got to be less shy and be more "real". These are our destiny at hand we cant just take this like some sort of a "play".
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 4, 2020 23:23:29 GMT
Okay, I maybe expressed myself vaguely.
I mean that when you meditate you may reach an amazing concentration and focus, this condition I learned to keep in my daily life and I eventually stopped meditating because I could achieve the same thing always regardless if I meditated traditionally or not. I can even slip away in my mind if I focus wherever I am. This I call a meditative trance. I would be interested in knowing if everyone can learn this skill or it is unique due to who I am, and/or it is a high level of mental discipline required including strong sense of consciousness.
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You should absolutely speak to people with an open mind first of all. People who do not wish to hear should not have to. Regarding biased people, you can try with light talk about things and with catching phrases in order to penetrate their barrier, but if it has no effect it is best to avoid further talk. Carefully undermining someone's belief can work, usually not immediately effective and the response is often aggressive, but well-aimed you may shake their world and they may wake up to what you just said. Because religious people and their belief hangs on a thin thread it is seldom hard to find arguments which undermine their foundation.
Never be afraid of telling the truth however, but strategic approaches are necessary. Many people would require a massive amount of persuasion to change their minds and some people are so stubbornly into their beliefs it is virtually impossible to change their minds.
It is usually best to avoid getting into dead-ends and to avoid getting cornered in discussion with no good reply. The adversary will want for you to run dry of arguments where most of them believe in their thing so strongly they easily twist your argument so they they appear illogical. I have practiced this for a long time and know a big deal of confronting people, and also why I avoid confronting people most of the time as I know much of it is futile.
If my well-aimed and thought out arguments have no effect after some dialogue, and depending on the replies, I avoid any further talk. I can read if this person will not comprehend.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 4, 2020 23:38:42 GMT
And yes, Jesus saying "fishers of men" is the best and least exhausting of methods to gather listeners. You get more people who are actually interested in what you teach and less people who are not, the interested people come for your bait and then you can hopefully keep them.
This is a misinterpretation of older teachings and probably wordings. Confidence has never been anything wrong, but the key is that hierarchical status seeking is instinctive and to be avoided but it has been misunderstood by religious people. They believe you cannot feel individually strong and you must always keep yourself with a relinquished being.
The Manifestation (Quran) rebukes this understanding saying one cannot be relinquished from what is their souls. This scripture can sometimes be subtly humorous in ways through irony such in the above phrase about people believing that you are to relinquish the being where it answers "how can someone he relinquished from what is their soul?".
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Post by Kitanai on Jan 7, 2020 2:36:24 GMT
Sorry for a relatively late reply Immanuel, there was work that took my attention.
Thank you for the elaboration upon what is the meditative trance. I think I do sometimes end up doing something similar in my mind to better be in control over myself and the situations of this world, that the world throw me in. However, it might become energy draining, But! I start to notice if I program my mind into a positive state of mind even if I try to put my mind into a meditative trance, I do not feel that much of loosing energy, so it might be very well depedendent on how one reacts to things. Negative emotions seem to be "sucking energy" from a person. Noticed how you could do something relatively challenging for a pretty-long periods of time and yet not feel that much tired due to the fact that the work you did you are glad/happy to do? But then you could do some work that you do not like to do even for a couple of hours and it feels like it sucks your soul-energy out?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 7, 2020 21:04:05 GMT
Hello,
Working on the project is very energy-consuming, after just a few hours I am fatigued mentally, it requires very abstract thinking in order to puzzle things together and render the passages properly and I have revised the first part of the second chapter like 3-4 times over the past years, but I have also learned a great deal about the linguistics in the meantime so those re-renderings have not been wasted.
You may think that Arabic is an established language and it should not be that hard, but consider that very little is useful for deciphering the authentic Arabic of the Middle Ages used in the book they call Quran, which appears to have been written in a language which was archaic at the time of writing. The author chose a language which was not used in its implemented form!
The result of this was that religious fools claimed spiritual mastery of that innocent book and were so arrogant that they more or less invented a language to render what that scripture said. This became the norm and (modern) Arabic became based on a flawed interpretation of a book which did not even remotely speak of what is claimed.
Not only is the interpretation of each individual word and the grammar usually wrong but also phonetically the "new language" was a joke and this is why spoken Arabic sounds so crude if you listen to a person today. The interpreters could not pronounce the language as it should and the result you have today. One could probably say it is a matter if opinion, but it does completely not sound eloquent like some other languages especially spoken formally.
Alternatively, I have not got my hands on the truth, Quran was written several hundred years earlier but "high-jacked" in the 7th century by people who claimed themselves to be scholars and who did the same as I wrote above.
What the scripture itself says from what I have deciphered so far is "people made it as according to themselves, which deed does not help anyone", meaning it says the traditional shape of it is completely useless as guidance. That it says in the 36th chapter. Elahem told me to start with chapter 36 and I soon discovered the reason. Chapter 36 not only mentions 'Isaiah' but also puts words across as if talking directly to one person in singular, and I seek not to be self-grandiose but I am confident that person is me.
No matter how we look at it, I am the only person for over 1000, perhaps nearly 2000 years, who have even remotely touched the topic of what that marvelous writing says, I have at least found no trace of evidence that anyone did even find something similar. Many people have speculated what the mysterious letters introducing some chapters mean and I have not seen one making a correct guess on what they are there for.
Why I wrote that is to make you understand why it is so hard to decipher the scripture. The need for mental effort and input is extreme, there is little useful lexical data to go on and much requires deductive reasoning in order to progress on. Lexicons do help, Edward Lane in the 19th century and his countless workhours on summarizing ancient Arabic lexicons in English helps and I am glad that he carried out his work entirely unknowing what he accomplished for a future generation. Even then, with the lexicon, even the lexicon required extensive studies itself as this is based on unreliable sources partially from people who tried to interpret the archaic Arabic language. Many times the real meaning is "along the lines" of what it is stated in the lexicon but it still requires correction, put in the right aspect, etc.
Furthermore Arabic lexicons try to make it seem like words of the language have multiple vastly different meanings but this is false, an Arabic word just have one general meaning always. This is caused by another paranormal feature of this language I call 'Innate Letter Meanings', each letter of the Semitic languages holds its own fundamental meaning in itself meaning there are three mini-words within a normal Arabic root. This way the formed word describes through this "phrase" what it wants to say.
For example, A'lem علم means' "Gain Such Thereof" by ILM and the lexical meaning is "Learn". Another is امن Amen which is Alif = Be (doing), Miim = Thereof, Nun = Integrity/Substance/Subject, it is based on the common word من Min in the language which means "Of", what it means is "to understand". Amen can perhaps be hard to understand this way by ILM as you do not use ILM for using the word in a sentence, it is just how the words are constructed, also there is grammar to take into consideration too as you "think" a'men as the Alif is a prefix connoting directed action like "a'men that" ironically enough. Perhaps the easiest way to understand A'men is "Be Thereof One (with)", like being one with as that you are into it completely i.e. you under-stand or grasp it. This is further complicated by that I do not fully know the exact definition of each letter, I must study each word in a more completely deciphered scripture first. Some very fundamental letters are pretty accurate though such as Alif ا, Be ب and Meem م i.e. Be, About/Regarding and Thereof/From/Of, and you have Fe ف which I recently studied enough to know it is used for saying "To/For", not surprisingly though. Those letters are the easiest ones to understand what they mean in themselves as they are used similar as prepositions in the language.
Truly remarkable things like that Ayn ع means to gain and Dal د means give is also very peculiar. Place those together and you see the letters are like give or take: دع. Ayn is used in the word for "to hear" سمع sem'a too, not surprisingly.
Anyways, that about ILM I mentioned mainly because I am so fascinated by the feature and the mysterious origin of the language.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 7, 2020 21:27:41 GMT
We should try to avoid instinctive emotions and thinking instinctively, those instincts are unto you always, driving you towards ignorance and delusion. Many things we believe to be true is due to the primitive side of ourselves letting us do it and it is also a risk taking something for a fact said by someone even a scholar in some science subject. The opinions and sayings around us shape our thinking and mindlessly accepting information is giving us a very stereotypical being. Rule number two according to the old guidelines of Moses "Do not take an image/model of anything and be devoted to it" meaning basically do not imitate a model rather than following rule number 1 which says "be devoted to being one of Elahem". The first rule implicitly says that you should be an independent being, of Elahem. You cannot be an independent being if you copy someone else and mindlessly imitate them.
I am to be as bold as to say you do not necessarily have to copy even Jesus!
It is important to shape your own character and it is just character which is sought after by Elahem, the unity of souls. If you are strong in yourself you have no need to attempt to impersonate someone you are not, like Jesus for example. Jesus said "if you do like me", that is true, but that did not mean you had to be him but do with yourself what he did to himself unto his mind and soul.
People worship prophets for no reason at all; Jesus, Abraham and Moses.. and Muhammed (even if he was a fake one) and concentrate on that idolization more than they actually lift themselves for who they are. They become their gods as they believe they can be nowhere close to their caliber. Truth is, Jesus said that John the Baptist did his abstention at an exemplary level and he did apparently do it just as good as Jesus himself. You could read in Jesus words he was clearly impressed, the way he described John's diet and clothing was not derogatory. Some rebuked Jesus for being a drunkard and a glutton in religious standards, it shows what is truly important for a mind and you see that if you have the spirit of Elahem there is no fasting necessary.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 8, 2020 20:53:05 GMT
I am fascinated by this passage in the Manifestation (Quran):
... and as told it is about mental excellence and to properly progress and be brought to enrichment, but following this are only a few of you and this is intentional.”
I have checked the rendition of this passage multiple times and I end up with the same one each time. It says "few are following you" (i.e. me is my understanding, I am as bold as to say the whole book speaks of me) and then it says similar to "it is intended or intentional".
Fascinating,yes?
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Post by Kitanai on Jan 10, 2020 3:26:36 GMT
Yes, I agree very much so with, through contemplation I too of the same opinion at this moment. Anything instinctive turn us into biological-robots. Each of us have their own "I". And we all are different but are the same in the same time. We are the same in the sense that we all are Beings "I`s" but at the same time we are not the same "I". Therefore we are who we are and there is no one like us, because we all are unique if we let us to be and our living-imagination is the limit, which seems to be limitless really.
Yes, regarding the abstention, the religious people sometimes go overboard and some of them even go away from humanity/human-life into caves etc. Well we are here on earth for a reason and thus having a policy of disregarding earthly existence altogether seems to be not healthy. There is a lot of beauty in the world and human life can be beautiful in a sincere way if we/humans let go of our "demons".
NO I do not think that while we are here life must be miserable, in the end its all about doing what is most mature thing to do in a intelligent way, aka. being sane in mind/being. I read in a gospel of Phillip where Jesus allegedly says that it is about the "will" and not the "act", something along the lines of this. And I agree, when you go past an ice-cream truck with your friends, you know that you can control the urges of the body and you can easily go past the ice-cream truck because you know you are not slave to "food" so to speak. But should it be considered of loosing into instinct if you consciously decide from your own being to go and buy some ice-cream? I reason that as long as you are not doing things such as eating ice-cream for example due to the instinct telling you to do but do it out of your own conscious will sometimes, I dont see it as being a weak-minded.
Thats a big difference form a person who whenever sees an ice-cream cant control themselves and have to go and eat it and eat it as much as he/she can.
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Post by Kitanai on Jan 10, 2020 3:31:15 GMT
It is indeed interesting why exactly the Elahem say that it is intentional that only few are to follow you?
The obvious explanation I can come up with is that they dont want a lot of people to follow you, but why? That is a fascinating question indeed.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 10, 2020 21:58:50 GMT
It is indeed interesting why exactly the Elahem say that it is intentional that only few are to follow you? The obvious explanation I can come up with is that they dont want a lot of people to follow you, but why? That is a fascinating question indeed. The interpretation may be wrong, the word may mean "expected" or similar rather than intended. Need to research more on the word used in the sentence. If expected is the word then it sounds more coherent.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 10, 2020 22:15:15 GMT
Yes, I agree very much so with, through contemplation I too of the same opinion at this moment. Anything instinctive turn us into biological-robots. Each of us have their own "I". And we all are different but are the same in the same time. We are the same in the sense that we all are Beings "I`s" but at the same time we are not the same "I". Therefore we are who we are and there is no one like us, because we all are unique if we let us to be and our living-imagination is the limit, which seems to be limitless really. Yes, regarding the abstention, the religious people sometimes go overboard and some of them even go away from humanity/human-life into caves etc. Well we are here on earth for a reason and thus having a policy of disregarding earthly existence altogether seems to be not healthy. There is a lot of beauty in the world and human life can be beautiful in a sincere way if we/humans let go of our "demons". NO I do not think that while we are here life must be miserable, in the end its all about doing what is most mature thing to do in a intelligent way, aka. being sane in mind/being. I read in a gospel of Phillip where Jesus allegedly says that it is about the "will" and not the "act", something along the lines of this. And I agree, when you go past an ice-cream truck with your friends, you know that you can control the urges of the body and you can easily go past the ice-cream truck because you know you are not slave to "food" so to speak. But should it be considered of loosing into instinct if you consciously decide from your own being to go and buy some ice-cream? I reason that as long as you are not doing things such as eating ice-cream for example due to the instinct telling you to do but do it out of your own conscious will sometimes, I dont see it as being a weak-minded. Thats a big difference form a person who whenever sees an ice-cream cant control themselves and have to go and eat it and eat it as much as he/she can. I have thought about what you just wrote, but in the case of sugar, as is the ingredient in ice-cream, this is an addictive substance and desire for it is physiological which affects the psychological aspects. It is hard to talk away that it is not a bodily craving for something if a person wants to consume ice-cream. On the other hand, a person does not have to shun every little thing in life in order to grow mentally, the eating habits are actually not regulated by the Ten Guidelines (Commandments), but it is advisable to control it somehow. Worth paying attention to is that sugar has diminishing returns, like any drug does, and modest consumption is hence most effective. If possible it is better to reduce the consumption of sugar for the well being. Learning to becoming less dependent on sugar for satisfaction is mentally stimulating. Abstention from it was one of my first developmental steps I took 12-15 years ago, it became a huge push for me forward. I did not quit using sugar, but I went to a more modest approach.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 10, 2020 22:31:15 GMT
While on the topic, we must remember the body is a host to us and it is not us, while you can abstain from lots of things it can actually be affected adversely and cause a problem to us as it "malfunctions", for example it becomes depressed like any animal can become. A mind cannot become depressed unless it has a body which is it and hence you can hopefully draw the conclusion here yourself.
If the body is afflicted by debilitating issues this does cause problems to you as a mind in control of it. It is wise to be a good master for the body and take care of it as if it was your animal pet.
But you cannot let it control the way you seek satisfaction, it must be on your conditions. The point I raise here is however related to the ice-cream and sugar, and the body's search for something which stimulates its physiology, for its happiness it can be fine with an ice-cream.
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