Post by Johanne on Feb 28, 2020 7:16:48 GMT
The more I study and analyze the predicament we are in - the more this seems like some kind of a hell to me.
I found this forum interesting, mostly, due to great dissatisfaction with religion, human philosophy. At the least I see here a sense of self-consciousness of the fact that most things people consider to be "true" are not so true afterall, and usually just messeages that been given from one generation to another, wihout any really deep contemplation taking place.
I am a 13 year old from Brazil, when I drop all assumptions about life that society has taught me, about culture, religion, politics (trought seeing adults behaving), social systems, history and nature; the more this world seems like not the work of a benevolent all-powerful god, but the work of a malevolent, sadistic entity that enjoys tormenting and performind this kind of sick experiment on us - what draws me to the conclusion that we might be in hell; assuming there´s a god. Note: The definition of "hell" I will be using here is not exactly the traditional sense; a realm of the afterlife where sinners are punished by bad deeds. I am refering to "hell" as a place of great suffering and pain, whatever it is an afterlife or not. Keep that in mind.
So what I gather of reality while dropping all of my assumptions about life is this: humanity is an psychopathic (dominative, self-deceiving, charming, manipulative, self-absorbed, "behaviourally"-clamoufaged) and psychotic (strongly prone to optimism bias, wishful thinking, false beliefs) species. We like to downplay others to satisfy our own ego, we are all domineering when we can truly get away with it, we all believe false, fabricated narratives to justify our positions and actions, we all lie when we can get away with it, etc. We do that because the conditions in wich we find ourselves in in this universe (entropy + natural selection, it´s easier for evil to break good than for good to fix evil, easier to write a corrupt law for your own benefits than to create a good one with no loopholes, easier to spread engineer a plague than make a cure, etc.) only allow predatory, deceitful and evil behavior to thrive in the natural world and by extension - our society.
We like to camouflage and systematically hide this fact by spreading mythos and stories where good always defeats evil, tought evil exists and it corrupt people, good is generally the rule and it can easily override evil with enough "hard work". Examples of this include:
The brave knight and the beautiful princess walk always happily in the sunset with the terrible dragon defeated, the end.
These. Are. All. Lies.
Just imagine if having actual concern for humanity or life is even possible with the idea of extreme success of a CEO or a high-ranking corporate figure. It´s just complete fantasy. It´s almost as delusional as someone saying " an antelope can be just as good at being a carnivore as a lion can". It´s just complete fantasy. The laws of biology (wich reminder: human beings are subject to) prevent good people from becoming CEO´s. It´s simply the way the universe works. A caring, compassionate, concerned, charitable CEO would just get eaten alive in our "civilized" society. You simply don´t arrive at such a positivon without being "carnivorous" towards other human beings.
Evil always works its way to the top in any system given enough time-- there's no other way for it not to, in a competition game which says, "The sneakiest, most dominant, selfish person climbs, while the most honest, most humble and selfless person gets climbed on."
This world is an evil dystopian hell and it can´t be anything else by some law of nature. We like to turn our blind eye to this and indoctrinate ourselves and our children with Disney movies,and happy fairy tale stories, but in the end it serves the same purpose as the religions of yesterday: obfuscate a dystopian hellscape from our view. Politics, religions, and Disney movies that tell you you can "try everything" (Zootopia) and "be yourself" (Frozen) or that the "circle of life is a good thing" (the Lion King) exist to serve evil and shelter it, to help it dominate our reality by making you think that it doesn´t dominate it and make you have more children for it to enslave (high-ranking corporations, government, etc.) and ultimately make it more powerful. This is how this universe works, any genuinely good person (or at least the least evil ape) gets eaten alive in our society by bigger "predators" (bosses, CEO´S, employers, etc.) and only a bigger predator kills this predator and the cycle starts anew.
It´s imporant to note that evil as it is depicted in these stories is not at all how true, perfected evil appears in our world; evil in Disney movies and Marvel is usually depicted like some kind of a cartoonish, ghastly figure wich is obvious and relunctant in its malevolence. This is not at all how evil manifests itself in our world. Evil is camouflaged (in behavior), charming, deceitful and sometimes, self-deceiving. Evil appears as if it is good to us. True evil is not a cartoonish and "spooky" figure like Darth Vader or the Night King. Evil is like Ted Bundy, that kept his arm in a sling and during social interactions kept on a sweet, caring expression and proceed to murder, beat and rape countless women that he had brought to his house. Even than, I think that Ted Bundy is not the best example because he was caught and sentenced; this does not happen to perfected evil in our world. Perfect evil is camouflaged, wich is a thing that nature produces (just because something is natural doesn´t mean it´s good) and it doesn´t have to be perfect patterns or colors that blend in nature; it happens to people´s behaviour too. If someone that looked and behaved like the Night King was to be caught by the police and put on trial, no one would have a hard time saying "Nope, you´re evil!" and sentence him to jail. Perfected evil has the sort of strategy that prevents this from happening to it.
Of course, there is objective good in this universe, and it happens by sheer acidents when evil apes like us try different DNA propragating strategies. But every good in this universe results in a greater evil, every warm genuine smile creates a facade for evil to exploit, skin alive and use it for its own favor. Every fairy tales exists to spread a message that evil can exploit and use it to brainwash the masses. Because the conditions of this entire game (natural selection), and the game playing field( the universe, physics), make it so evil gets distilled/empowered with time (natural selection-- predators eat herbivores, predators get better and better at being predators, but herbivores only get better at barely surviving, still getting eaten alive screaming in pain, they never "win" with natural selection like a predator wins), and evil gets crystallized (entropy-- it´s harder to uproot evil than to root good, it's easier for evil to break good than for good to fix evil-- this only gets stronger with time because entropy increases, not decreases).
It's not that good is impossible, it's that permanent good is impossible, because the universe favors evil, and cements evil. Our species is born out of this rule. We're not special, you and I both have the evil operating system in our brains. The idea people have that they are the good guys and some scapegoat is the bad guy, is a fantasy in every evil monkey's mind. We're all simply varieties of evil, not "good monkey vs. bad monkey", this is a false fairy tale that is taught to all children in all cultures, the story shelters evil, it is not a positive or benevolent message.
At the end of the day, humanity is the product of millions of years of genes favoring:
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That's our species. We're just evil, delusional, extremely traumatized mentally ill apes with clothes and smartphones, making mouth noise, full of bullshit stories in our heads about history narratives, culture narratives, science narratives, philosophy narratives, etc, deeply believing, consciously or subconsciously, that we're the good guys and the people we dislike are the bad guys.
Now, in conclusion: what kind of world, existence or plane would have the numerous traits and overall, dystopian predicament that this "Earth" has, other than hell? What kind of plane existence could be so heinously evil and hellish in mechanisms and functions, other than hell itself? Tell me, if you have read my post and successfully ingested all of this information in your psyche, what kind of world would have everything that I just pointed out, other than hell?
Of course, this doesn´t necessarily have to mean we´re here because we have done a bad thing in a best life or even that this is an afterlife on itself; it just means that this is a place of hostile, camouflaged evil that rules this rules this block of spacetime moving towards greater entropy that´s created from scratch by an evil being that enjoys watching our torment and our suffering...
Wich is worse now that I think about.
My conclusions here are: the mechanims of this universe and the process of evolution functions so inherently hellish, that I can´t help but believe that this place might be some kind of hellish circus created by an evil god, without an inherent afterlife but just sentient beings replicating each other so they can suffer like everything else.
What do you think?
I found this forum interesting, mostly, due to great dissatisfaction with religion, human philosophy. At the least I see here a sense of self-consciousness of the fact that most things people consider to be "true" are not so true afterall, and usually just messeages that been given from one generation to another, wihout any really deep contemplation taking place.
I am a 13 year old from Brazil, when I drop all assumptions about life that society has taught me, about culture, religion, politics (trought seeing adults behaving), social systems, history and nature; the more this world seems like not the work of a benevolent all-powerful god, but the work of a malevolent, sadistic entity that enjoys tormenting and performind this kind of sick experiment on us - what draws me to the conclusion that we might be in hell; assuming there´s a god. Note: The definition of "hell" I will be using here is not exactly the traditional sense; a realm of the afterlife where sinners are punished by bad deeds. I am refering to "hell" as a place of great suffering and pain, whatever it is an afterlife or not. Keep that in mind.
So what I gather of reality while dropping all of my assumptions about life is this: humanity is an psychopathic (dominative, self-deceiving, charming, manipulative, self-absorbed, "behaviourally"-clamoufaged) and psychotic (strongly prone to optimism bias, wishful thinking, false beliefs) species. We like to downplay others to satisfy our own ego, we are all domineering when we can truly get away with it, we all believe false, fabricated narratives to justify our positions and actions, we all lie when we can get away with it, etc. We do that because the conditions in wich we find ourselves in in this universe (entropy + natural selection, it´s easier for evil to break good than for good to fix evil, easier to write a corrupt law for your own benefits than to create a good one with no loopholes, easier to spread engineer a plague than make a cure, etc.) only allow predatory, deceitful and evil behavior to thrive in the natural world and by extension - our society.
We like to camouflage and systematically hide this fact by spreading mythos and stories where good always defeats evil, tought evil exists and it corrupt people, good is generally the rule and it can easily override evil with enough "hard work". Examples of this include:
The brave knight and the beautiful princess walk always happily in the sunset with the terrible dragon defeated, the end.
These. Are. All. Lies.
Just imagine if having actual concern for humanity or life is even possible with the idea of extreme success of a CEO or a high-ranking corporate figure. It´s just complete fantasy. It´s almost as delusional as someone saying " an antelope can be just as good at being a carnivore as a lion can". It´s just complete fantasy. The laws of biology (wich reminder: human beings are subject to) prevent good people from becoming CEO´s. It´s simply the way the universe works. A caring, compassionate, concerned, charitable CEO would just get eaten alive in our "civilized" society. You simply don´t arrive at such a positivon without being "carnivorous" towards other human beings.
Evil always works its way to the top in any system given enough time-- there's no other way for it not to, in a competition game which says, "The sneakiest, most dominant, selfish person climbs, while the most honest, most humble and selfless person gets climbed on."
This world is an evil dystopian hell and it can´t be anything else by some law of nature. We like to turn our blind eye to this and indoctrinate ourselves and our children with Disney movies,and happy fairy tale stories, but in the end it serves the same purpose as the religions of yesterday: obfuscate a dystopian hellscape from our view. Politics, religions, and Disney movies that tell you you can "try everything" (Zootopia) and "be yourself" (Frozen) or that the "circle of life is a good thing" (the Lion King) exist to serve evil and shelter it, to help it dominate our reality by making you think that it doesn´t dominate it and make you have more children for it to enslave (high-ranking corporations, government, etc.) and ultimately make it more powerful. This is how this universe works, any genuinely good person (or at least the least evil ape) gets eaten alive in our society by bigger "predators" (bosses, CEO´S, employers, etc.) and only a bigger predator kills this predator and the cycle starts anew.
It´s imporant to note that evil as it is depicted in these stories is not at all how true, perfected evil appears in our world; evil in Disney movies and Marvel is usually depicted like some kind of a cartoonish, ghastly figure wich is obvious and relunctant in its malevolence. This is not at all how evil manifests itself in our world. Evil is camouflaged (in behavior), charming, deceitful and sometimes, self-deceiving. Evil appears as if it is good to us. True evil is not a cartoonish and "spooky" figure like Darth Vader or the Night King. Evil is like Ted Bundy, that kept his arm in a sling and during social interactions kept on a sweet, caring expression and proceed to murder, beat and rape countless women that he had brought to his house. Even than, I think that Ted Bundy is not the best example because he was caught and sentenced; this does not happen to perfected evil in our world. Perfect evil is camouflaged, wich is a thing that nature produces (just because something is natural doesn´t mean it´s good) and it doesn´t have to be perfect patterns or colors that blend in nature; it happens to people´s behaviour too. If someone that looked and behaved like the Night King was to be caught by the police and put on trial, no one would have a hard time saying "Nope, you´re evil!" and sentence him to jail. Perfected evil has the sort of strategy that prevents this from happening to it.
Of course, there is objective good in this universe, and it happens by sheer acidents when evil apes like us try different DNA propragating strategies. But every good in this universe results in a greater evil, every warm genuine smile creates a facade for evil to exploit, skin alive and use it for its own favor. Every fairy tales exists to spread a message that evil can exploit and use it to brainwash the masses. Because the conditions of this entire game (natural selection), and the game playing field( the universe, physics), make it so evil gets distilled/empowered with time (natural selection-- predators eat herbivores, predators get better and better at being predators, but herbivores only get better at barely surviving, still getting eaten alive screaming in pain, they never "win" with natural selection like a predator wins), and evil gets crystallized (entropy-- it´s harder to uproot evil than to root good, it's easier for evil to break good than for good to fix evil-- this only gets stronger with time because entropy increases, not decreases).
It's not that good is impossible, it's that permanent good is impossible, because the universe favors evil, and cements evil. Our species is born out of this rule. We're not special, you and I both have the evil operating system in our brains. The idea people have that they are the good guys and some scapegoat is the bad guy, is a fantasy in every evil monkey's mind. We're all simply varieties of evil, not "good monkey vs. bad monkey", this is a false fairy tale that is taught to all children in all cultures, the story shelters evil, it is not a positive or benevolent message.
At the end of the day, humanity is the product of millions of years of genes favoring:
- Rapists
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- Liars
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- Thugs
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- Cannibals
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- Murderers
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- Sadists
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- Psychotics suffering from hallucinations who could convince others of their hallucinations or just used one of the other above 'tools'.
That's our species. We're just evil, delusional, extremely traumatized mentally ill apes with clothes and smartphones, making mouth noise, full of bullshit stories in our heads about history narratives, culture narratives, science narratives, philosophy narratives, etc, deeply believing, consciously or subconsciously, that we're the good guys and the people we dislike are the bad guys.
Now, in conclusion: what kind of world, existence or plane would have the numerous traits and overall, dystopian predicament that this "Earth" has, other than hell? What kind of plane existence could be so heinously evil and hellish in mechanisms and functions, other than hell itself? Tell me, if you have read my post and successfully ingested all of this information in your psyche, what kind of world would have everything that I just pointed out, other than hell?
Of course, this doesn´t necessarily have to mean we´re here because we have done a bad thing in a best life or even that this is an afterlife on itself; it just means that this is a place of hostile, camouflaged evil that rules this rules this block of spacetime moving towards greater entropy that´s created from scratch by an evil being that enjoys watching our torment and our suffering...
Wich is worse now that I think about.
My conclusions here are: the mechanims of this universe and the process of evolution functions so inherently hellish, that I can´t help but believe that this place might be some kind of hellish circus created by an evil god, without an inherent afterlife but just sentient beings replicating each other so they can suffer like everything else.
What do you think?