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Post by Kitanai on May 1, 2020 18:27:42 GMT
Did Being came out of Reality or did Reality came out of Being?
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Post by Immanuel on May 3, 2020 14:59:33 GMT
Hi,
It is good to specify a bit more the point of your post, but I will try to answer.
For example, what do you mean by reality? The world in which we live is just a projection.
Logic tells that something must have taken shape out of nothingness, i.e. what people usually call "God". It does unlikely consist of any matter but is pure Being. Elahem, which means "Those Who are Being", obviously have an agenda raising the human souls and something tells that the imprint or shape of their souls somehow brings enrichment to the Collective of Elahem. No Being would do something without it serving any purpose.
This reality in which we live in is a creation of Elahem. Whatever else to say about the nature of Elahem is difficult since the logic we can apply makes little sense based on what we know. It is illogical for example that something exists out of nothingness, but this can be only the limitation of our way of thinking.
What we can accomplish through speculation on a deeper level is vague, but there are things we can understand and that is what is closest to ourselves and our reality. The mind we can discover is dynamic and not static, it can grow into independence and exist on its own. Those who put us here did this to see which of the specimens would grow mentally and that while in a total illusion of something else. Obviously they are not emotional the slightest over what goes on in this world and it is bordering on what we would call inhumane. But we have to face it the way it is, and I can simultaneously understand "why". The standards to which each soul is meant to be taken and become autonomous is so high.
Reason that for any superhuman being to have any use for anything, the result of it must also become superhuman. If the things in this world did not challenge us tremendously we could not build up the kind of mental superiority.
I have also understood that they are not looking for quantity but quality. I would say the success rate of each specimen is like that one sperm fertilizes an egg out of millions of sperms, that is a good parable. The question is how many eggs are becoming fertilized.
From the day of Abraham until now there are not a lot of people who ascended, that I can tell. Elahem like ejaculated millions of sperms and just one each time is becoming something, remember that parable even if it is obscene. The sperms that did not become anything is like millions of millions of people on Earth.
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Post by Wanderer on May 3, 2020 22:19:51 GMT
Usually humanity has default/pre-established "beliefs" what God is and supposed to be. One of which is this : - Default assumption 1.) God has no needs: If God has no "needs" why did God create our world and us then? As we can see it seems/looks-like that God "HAS" "needs". if God didnt, why would God create a world such as ours and us and keep it running?
Also, as humans we have most of the time a "positive-bias" when we choose our "beliefs", for example, we like to think that life-destiny-God etc. is on OUR side; look at when two sides go to war against each other and both of the sides is convinced that God is on THEIR side. I call it "wishful-thinking", we like to believe in things which makes our hearts to be at peace and happy. Therefore, to be objective in our thinking we have to DROP all of this default-wishful thinking about God all-together.
It is logical to assume that "infinity"- a state which has no beginning and end, existed and will exist forever. It is that constant variable which is before our world because contrary to our world it always IS. If anything, our world of entropy, of beginnings and ends, might be the "illogical" thing. Things in our of world of entropy "appear" to "be", they come and go, they pop into existence and vanish, so ask yourself are the things in this world really "being" or are they "appearing" to "being"?
At the same time we need to first realize what we are, we are conscious Beings, everyone to different extent. And we as individual points of consciousness are experiencing "reality" - a projection which is projected onto our senses. Now lets ask ourselves further, where from is the reality our senses "sense" is projected from? Then we can assume that there is "third" person/party/consciousness/Being(s) which projects this particular earth reality onto our senses.
Now, we have many different questions, such as , WHO, HOW, WHY?
Who? We dont know. How? We dont know either. Why? Now this is very interesting. Why would we be created and put into such an imperfect world as earth-realm? Why is it so important that whoever is projecting this realm onto us, is ok with going into such extreme inhumane experiments? Therefore I think the assumption that "God" has no needs is kind of not true.
If God had no needs, why would God bother letting so many Beings on earth though so much pain and suffering? Therefore I have to ask myself, what is this Huge-Need, that God have to get and goes though such extreme ways to get it?
Doesnt it make God look "desperate"? But why?
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Post by Immanuel on May 4, 2020 4:56:54 GMT
Good use of logic! That easily through reasoning it is possible to confirm things.
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Post by Wanderer on May 5, 2020 0:21:33 GMT
Usually, humanity has default/pre-established "beliefs" what God is and supposed to be. Another one of which is this :
Default assumption 2.) God is able to do anything: Then, my question to You is this, can God become You? You see..., the moment God becomes "You", it will be no longer You and it will be God instead of You. In other words, God cannot be "You", because your Being is separate from God's being, isn't it? In other words, what I am trying to say is that You are uniquely You. If any other being wanted to "be" You, it would bt impossible because, "You" are only one and that is "You", there is no "other" You and no one else can become "You" because they are their own "I".
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