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Post by Samira1234 on Oct 1, 2015 13:38:42 GMT
I have a question. Since it seems that God does not care regarding worship, and is free of needs, what happens to a person if they decide to become atheists, but are very good and productive people in society? Does that person face any payback for the lack of belief through reincarnation? But then God being so hard to understand and even perceive, do you honestly blame such people to choose atheism?
And why do people have amnesia regarding the Afterlife and past life memories when they reincarnate in a new body? Shouldn't they have more memories flowing so that they don't repeat past life mistakes? Seeing how many people are clueless about life and are mostly sailing through it, I can tell it would have been more beneficial if they ad somewhat more understanding of their own past lives and what lessons they are supposed to learn in this life and carry out. It would decrease pain and suffering in people. But then telling people that attuning with their inner Spirit is the only way to organically retrieve past life memories do not look like a feasible and appealing way to raise people's interests.
Peace.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 2, 2015 13:30:30 GMT
Hello Samira,
Legend: When I say God I refer to the pantheistic force of existence and not the traditional "man on the moon". Think: "Galaxies Oniverse Dimensions" for the word.
On a very deep level of philosophizing I would say it is impossible to totally atheistic and still have faith in good without being deluded about one's own existence. A person's Spirit is of "divine" origin and we are all a node in the 'Higher Intelligence' network. There are theists that are no better than atheists in terms of realization about the nature of our existence for belief in such as Allah or God does not warrant anything but it is more about what you realize concerning yourself.
Many people choose to be atheists because they have hearkened unto what popular humans say and the reason is instinctive and they usually argue like animals without giving their own contemplation. A 'Homo Sapiens' is prone to adopt the views of others without constructing their own reality. It is impossible to make a contemplation about the World and then say it exists without any kind of "super-intelligence" because it is simply illogical. Now that the Super Intelligence is pantheistic is yet another thing and no one is more "god" than any other person and it is only the realization and cleared cloud, i.e. the separation of the Body's clouding impact on the personal consciousness that determines a person's status as a "piece of God", usually referred to "son of God" by ancient prophets whereas they call the pantheistic Super Intelligence for Father and then Jesus clarified; "I am in the Father and the Father in me", to give a clarification how all the "children" of God should perceive the relationship.
I doubt a person yet on the right track chooses to become an atheist because that means they do not believe in anything basically. They appear to believe that the World simply just exists out of the blue which I consider illogical. They often become unpleasant in tone when they hear arguments such as these. There has to be some kind of "guiding force" to enable evolution or nothing would be assembled in any kind of order, it says itself.
I would say that if you fully implement atheism then you have accepted your Body and that you can give in to it at will. It means you fail the test. In the end it is not by what you say but what you do that determines your destination, but if you live by what you say concerning atheism then there is little that can help you. Yet God does not punish a person for not having any faith concerning their origin but you are always facing the consequences of your deeds to their equal value. Not acknowledging your Higher State of Existence means you probably fall victim to your Body's primitive nature and thus become more of that consequentially diminishing your Spirit connection (God calls it becoming blind), but it does not have anything to do with having faith in artificial gods that man has created including Allah, Yaweh and the primitive fabricated version of God.
The so-called Ten Commandments do not really teach faith in God but they talk about the merging with your Foundation (Rabb) by clinging on to "acting 'Such As It'" (amen b'allah). Obviously it takes to acknowledge that Rabb exists but that is pretty easy to do if they simply contemplate existence and realize there is a "Higher Intelligence". But you as a person only becomes what you are, i.e. a "son of God" or "share of God" or whatever term you like to insert yourself here, while the World as we know it only was created as a contradiction/illusion. God as a phenomenon is the existence itself, everything at the same time. An infinitum. You are not separate from that existence either but you are in It, in Oneness at the same time because there is just one "singularity".
But God does not require any kind of worship but "worship" you perform by acting 'Such As It' (amen b'allah). Worship is a misconception that stems from Paganism.
We do not blame those who choose atheism but they have also failed to acknowledge their being. We are not to blame them but actively try to help them by whatever way we can by showing that we are superior by the grace of the Spirit without displays of arrogance. An atheist can probably see that a person who separated themselves from the primate desires is a more happy/free being without the Body's shackles but more so can reason intelligibly.
After that long preacher, let me answer your questions individually.
There exists hypocritical reasons to be good in the World. Many people want to look good before others and thus an efficient way is to simply seem charitable because the response to this is boosting the ego. It becomes like an addiction because the Body increases its release of dopamine which is the Body's reward hormone, so the person will continue to do this and the hypocrites are exposed by that they would love to see that their works get in the light. And they are exposed because they are on the side of their charity instinctive in other ways or even contradict their charity by unfriendliness to people.
It is not possible to judge every person by this measure and there are people who do this for sincere reasons too with a needless nature such as God. I do my works here on this forum and other places for the same reason a person would travel to Africa and volunteer and then always tread in the shadows not to seek recognition except from the "Higher Intelligence". The proper person does not do it for God either but for themselves and that is a good feature of atheists because they show it themselves that they do it honestly and not for God because it is possible to be hypocritical the other way around, i.e. you do it only for God but you would care less if it was not for God. They often betray their own intentions in other ways.
But like I wrote previously in the earlier segment of this post, there is no logical reason to become an atheist except by letting yourself be deluded by others or yourself. Since you are not alive to worship a god it is not such a big deal though but I say you would miss the point of being alive.
Since an atheist probably fails to acknowledge that the Body is their main antagonist to themselves they probably fail the test even if they are good and productive people. They probably indulge in this World since there is no limiting factor. Worth noticing is that they do not fail because they do not worship or believe in God though but only because why they exist. It is as if you are given an esoteric riddle but you cannot solve it so thus you miss the point and just disregard it unless you ask someone who knows the riddle, or you ask people who also do not understand who say: "It is just nonsense" and agree with them, or you ask a deluded one who believes they have solved it but they give you a false account based on superstition and instinct and you begin to follow them and their articulate ways make a good impression on you so that you feel it is plausible.
It is important to know that through thousands of years God has always played around with riddles and it does not help that people have attempted to see their metaphorical nature but interpreted them literally and with a little imagination limited to their instinct and their exaggerated respect for a deity that they think look upon them like a dictator just like a powerful human leader would in their view. They only refer to the World from their Beast's point of view. From God's point of view you can be on same level as Him/Her/It even if it is practically impossible that you are better than God (due to natural limitations); "you only have to show that you "act like such as him"", this is what God has said in the Lore for the past 3000-4000 years but people have twisted those words with what they could not understand. It was between 3500-4000 years ago that there was a man named Musa (Moses) who felt from his Origin that "I am who am I" and that is just about the only thing a man or woman needs to know in addition to that "The Body is not the real you, separate from it". I suppose even a relatively young child can add 1 + 1.
The summary summarum is that the Bible (and Quran) teaches Pan-theism amidst the false guise of hardcore monotheism including worship that entered the picture through corruption. "Those who are, are it". It is also possible to journey in what is dead, lifeless (al-mowt in Arabic) and the World is lifeless only following a set "programming" and these people who obey mainly their Bodies they are considered lifeless and they are not "clung onto 'Be Like Such As Are' (Allahem/Elohim) Rabb in unity" (as the first "commandment" of the Mosaic Decree says on the first line). They are not Children of Israel, i.e. literally in English: Children of the Chief/Lord. I can list so much evidence, but unfortunately people cannot relate to it. The root to Siin-Ra-Ra that is used in Israel could also relate to "secret" but also origin. so "Children of the Secret or Origin" could also ring a bell. God loves to play with riddle-like language and terms, many times to confuse the hypocrites.
It is important that God has throughout all the thousands of years related to us as sons and daughters but the Pagan sentiment has forbidden that by surges of great objectification of our Originator. Pharaoh was not wrong when he compared himself with God but he become arrogant and deemed himself above the Sustainer and you can hardly say he was "Be ا Thereof م Integrity ن - With ب Be ا Like ل Like - ل Him ه" (that is the morphological breakdown of امن بالله amen b'allah). What I reveal is of the language secret from the languages of Shem previously kept forgotten for thousands of years. I hope you understand why the Pharaoh's had names such as 'Amenahatep' and a God called Ammon? That was because they tried to be Immanuel. The Pharaoh's were not completely lost they only drifted away from what they once knew and still had superstitious beliefs and built silly monuments such as pyramids and thought the Spirit has some sort of relationship to the Flesh thus preserving the Bodies through mummification.
Later generations have deluded themselves that there is some sort of monotheism although the World could be perceived as Mono-Pantheism, i.e. there is just one Origin yet we are part of it and "mono" with it at the same time. The reason why I say "Mono-Pantheism" is because the Foundation-Giver (Rabb) is yet always above us even if we are an integral part of it and that Foundation-Giver (Rabb) always has the last say in everything but that is because it contains of Spirits that have been merged into the Grand Consciousness permanently through success and they make up the Rabb. They are Allahem. They control the outcome of the World as we know it in unity. Yet it cannot be called polytheism since it is Oneness of this Rabb, it is an inaccurate term, but it cannot be called monotheism either because "those who are" (allahem) comprise that Oneness. Theism is a human term in Pagan style so it is obviously difficult to utilize it for Spiritual questions but that is why I compromised and said "Mono-Pantheism", i.e. there is one Rabb but everyone "who are as such" (allehem) is a share of Him/Her/It.
You face the consequences of your ignorance and thus misdeeds and erroneous type of living, but not for the lack of faith itself. You do not discover yourself if you do not actively look for it. Knowing God is by knowing yourself, if you do not know who you are then you cannot know God, and it does not matter if you are theist either for that sake.
If you were a good person, grew Spiritually yet wandering in ignorance concerning your origin then you will be placed in a much better situation in your next cycle. It does not matter if you were ignorant by being an atheist because God is not fussed about belief or not but it is what you do with your life that makes the difference.
There are also people who fail the test through exaggeration, for example, Buddhists who go to an extremity when it comes to abstention from the World by having no empathy towards their own Body. The test is not by also testing your abilities as a potential Angel prospect and if you cannot even take care of your own Body then you cannot be a ruler (maleikateh) over people, but that comes from not acknowledging why you are here. The best way to take care of your Body is by feeding it sufficiently like you would feed a pet such as a cat or a dog and avoid giving it what is not healthy such as drugs including sugar and only giving it what is beneficial for it without involving instinct following what releases dopamine in the Body. If you have read Biblical Gospels you may have seen that Jesus says sarcastically: "... but me you call a glutton and a drunkard". The point is obviously not so much about abstaining from what is beneficial from you but what "supercharges" the instinctive drive.
There are many religionists who forbid dance and music claiming they activate the instinctive drive, but they do more than such. Dance makes the Spirit happy because it flows through the whole Ether. And the Body becomes happy because it requires a certain amount of entertainment to remain sane being the programmed animal as it is. We cannot go against its nature altogether or you cannot be a ruler over matter. There has to be moderation or you fail on other parameters instead. And many people miss the notion that the ability to show empathy is the most important parameter in the test such as the ancient decree goes on the fifth line: "Treat your neighbor as yourself" which obviously includes treating yourself well as well since your Body is to not be counted as your real you. That phrase sounds very poorly if you nearly starve yourself to death because then you expect yourself to treat others like yourself.
Nay, mainstream Buddhism is also the wrong way to go, people have to abandon their sects/religions and adopt sanity (salam = "Spirit Such Thereof". Islam was never a label but a description). The wish to be in groups and follow that identity is a human instinct and should be counteracted against by the person.
Many religionists say that you cannot have fun while you are practicing faith but that is a false sentiment. God created humor for God sake. I have even seen humor in Quran by God Himself/Herself/Itself. If an individual understands all God's riddles and metaphorical language they would realize the humor. For example, are you a 'Child of Israel'? And God loves to mess around with people which can be seen by the confusing actions and language of the prophets. The Biblical Gospels is a source of jokes in God manner with lots of irony:
Matthew 4:19 He said to them, "Come after me, and I will make you fishers of men.""
Matthew 6:2 When you give alms, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets to win the praise of others. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.
(sarcastic humor:) 6:7 In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words.
(sarcastic humor) 7:6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces.
7:9 Which one of you would hand his son a stone when he asks for a loaf of bread, 7:10 or a snake when he asks for a fish?
8:19 A scribe approached and said to him, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go." 8: 20 Jesus answered him, "Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head." (can you even understand the sarcasm? It is hard)
8:21 Another of (his) disciples said to him, "Lord, let me go first and bury my father." 8:22 But Jesus answered him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead." (very sarcastic)
9:11 The Pharisees saw this and said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 9:12 He heard this and said, "Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do. 9:13 Go and learn the meaning of the words, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' I did not come to call the righteous but sinners."
Etc, I could sit around all day but it is sufficient I reckon.
When is it hard to understand God? I find it is so simple even a minor could figure it out. The first step is to learn that Body and Spirit must be kept apart. Truly acknowledge that Homo Sapiens is an animal and then do not wish to be so animal-like. Why be what you do not have to be? Of course it is not easy to do that when you are a slave to it. Let us open up our eyes!
It is because the test environment is a contradiction/illusion and it is meant to be esoteric to understand the truth and it was also intentionally created corrupting and deceptive. If people suddenly remembered everything that they have ever experienced in a previous cycle then the test would become a whole lot easier and it is not meant to be easy. Yet it is not so hard if a person "separates the Spirit from the Body" because then their Spiritual experiences will come back to them. I have begun to have flashbacks of memories that occurred 3500-4000 years ago and I have them all the time and not only during hypnosis as such some people manage to force them forth. When you begin to "think in the Spirit" rather than the Flesh then suddenly you will feel gradually superhuman.
It is not recommended to take any chances and not aim towards salvation. Starting over is risk-taking since you are deluded from your true self and may follow the ways of the Beast, although if you start over in a good Soul status then you have closer to the Spiritual Realm automatically and increased presence of God in you. It is thus always beneficial to be a good and deep human even if the person does not seem to reach all the way through.
God does not expect any beings that are imperfect and thus the test is like this. And a person must learn what is perfect in God's "eyes" and not by the words of men.
It would have been easier and also perhaps too easy. Each lived cycle unfinished is a failure and instead of 'game over' God let's the game character die and there is another character created again with the same Soul carrying the same delusion as the other one had. It is meant that the Body is supposed to suppress the presence of the Spirit by default. But there is a way to remove the delusion and suppression of memories and that is by doing as I am teaching. You can easily reach the memories if you recognize that the Body is a veil of yours and an untamed Beast. Tame it and you can see beyond it. You will also therefore understand you are part of a Grand Consciousness, a medium that is just One and all interconnected Souls share the connection (and why there has been reports of telepathic communication).
It is like being connected to a network where you have a supercomputer (God) that is its Heart/Mainframe. Because of the supercomputer you become powerful because you become online as your node manages to get rid of the signal interference (your Body) that blocks the "enable button", or (as a better parable) it fights to turn down the jog wheel that boosts the signal. Also when the signal is boosted then you see that your node is actually a clone of the supercomputer which is sustained by the energy of the supercomputer and your infrastructure, between the node and the supercomputer, is the 'Holy Spirit' which you are together in symbiosis. Elder parables by people such as Jesus who did not have the computer world to their disposal instead used Father and Son, and the Holy Spirit, to say just what I just said. My parable has the same implication as that ancient parable. By my parable you may understand the elder parable if you did not yet already understand that one. God had made prophesied that in this era the nature of God should become black on white so I am working hard to realize that, and the prophets of old are also here simultaneously as I write this.
I hope that you understand that the prophecy is to finally have everything interpreted and clear in script form for the whole Earth to see for the final run towards the end of the test cycle. This to enable souls to have a final chance at comprehension that is standing out in the midst of all the falsehood projected by man. It just takes listening to people like me and understanding I am relaying data from God. Nowhere in history have we had such an information age in the terms of the God topic and also a person who goes into great detail about the secret of the Shemitic language which IS of divine origin obviously for those who do not understand this, God made the Semitic letter system and in the last scripture involving it there was even left a hint towards their innate letter meanings in the beginnings of 14 chapters so that the perceptive could make out that there is a secret in each letter (the so-called initials of Quran). But, I DO NOT STAND BY THE BLASPHEMOUS INTERPRETATIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND DO NOT ASSOCIATE IT WITH ME.
Be safe Amenuel together with the Spirit
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Post by Samira1234 on Oct 3, 2015 14:23:08 GMT
Hello Amenuel, God had made prophesied that in this era the nature of God should become black on white so I am working hard to realize that, and the prophets of old are also here simultaneously as I write this. Can you explain further on this? Thank you. Peace.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 4, 2015 11:25:56 GMT
Hello Samira,
The intricate nature of the Kingdom/System of God is supposed to become disclosed in this era in very great detail to a level of clarity which has never been explained in such detail. You see that God even reveals the secret about the Semitic letter system. It was already foretold.
The prophets of old are obviously here as well. We are all one in God.
But I am not here to brag about what I know but I am here to help you and knowledge alone does not help a person but they have to give expression to what they know. The answer is in the message conveyed and not in the words. I am to help you act like "who such is" (allah/alive), but there is obviously much you can learn on your own I am only pointing you in the right way, although I hope you can learn to trust that what I tell is enough for your salvation. I cannot make you take the step, you have to do that alone.
Be safe Amenuel
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Post by Samira1234 on Oct 5, 2015 3:26:00 GMT
The prophets of old are obviously here as well. We are all one in God. Um, what do you mean by this? Peace, Samira
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 5, 2015 20:51:55 GMT
The prophets of old are obviously here as well. We are all one in God. Um, what do you mean by this? I meant that the Spirits of the prophets are right here, right now. Because they are also within the Holy Spirit. Be safe Amenuel
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Post by Samira1234 on Oct 5, 2015 22:45:27 GMT
So can those prophets of old see what is going on with the world? Can they respond to us if we specifically call upon a particular name?
Peace,
Samira
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 6, 2015 10:23:17 GMT
So can those prophets of old see what is going on with the world? Can they respond to us if we specifically call upon a particular name? Peace, Samira Hello Samira, They are aware in the Sustainer. They would not get involved with just anyone but those who have truly become one with their Spirit, because if you do not have absolute Faith in everything then their involvement would spoil the test. These individuals are Angels nowadays. Just like when we are attached to the Flesh many of us have roles they only discover if they get in touch with the Spiritual Realm and so do the Angels. Be safe Amenuel
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Post by Samira1234 on Oct 6, 2015 12:13:10 GMT
Okay. I read in some places that people saw dark spirits or evil forces, or outsiders trying to harm their home, and they called upon Jesus's name, and the dark or evil forces disappeared, and no amount of black magic or supernatural harm could be placed upon their home by outsiders. Also I have read some others called upon Eastern "deities" such as Kuan Yin, who is apparently an Ascended Master after living a good life, and she supposedly aids women and children and also people in risky forms of travel such as travelling by ship or by air. And a number of them actually almost immediately felt the required aid coming after calling upon their name.
So are these for real, or is it God or some other spirits doing the aid?
Peace,
Samira
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Post by iscariot on Oct 10, 2015 19:48:32 GMT
Okay. I read in some places that people saw dark spirits or evil forces, or outsiders trying to harm their home, and they called upon Jesus's name, and the dark or evil forces disappeared, and no amount of black magic or supernatural harm could be placed upon their home by outsiders. Also I have read some others called upon Eastern "deities" such as Kuan Yin, who is apparently an Ascended Master after living a good life, and she supposedly aids women and children and also people in risky forms of travel such as travelling by ship or by air. And a number of them actually almost immediately felt the required aid coming after calling upon their name. So are these for real, or is it God or some other spirits doing the aid? Peace, Samira I can tell you the long winding history of how these ideas come about and spread. Ultimately though, if the word "pantheistic" or even "panentheistic" is to be used, it would mean all these varieties, including us as well and everyone else, all have God behind them. That is generally what the word means "pan" means "all" and the "theoi" part is gods or god. So the varieties of pantheism are "everything is a god" (which is like animism almost), "everything is god", "god is everything", "everything is a manifestation of god", "behind everything is god" like masks (even if they don't know it), and things like that, those are all distinct variation which don't mean the same thing to people always. When "en" is placed in the word, it means everything is inside of God, that we are within God, which has varieties like "God is the Universe" but also that God is the Ultimate Reality which creates all the other realities (our experiences) within. Guan Yin/Kuan Yin has a pretty clear history of how the idea developed and transformed, and then lots of folklore attached to it over time. The idea traces back to the very ancient Vedic Indra, who transformed into the Mahayana Buddhist Avalokitesvara/Avalokteshvara which is the Bodhisattva of compassion and originally depicted as male, into the Chinese feminized Guan Yin.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 10, 2015 22:41:24 GMT
That may imply the correct title is Panentheism following your given definition. We are within God which is existence itself, the World's "Platform".
However, as far as I know the word pantheism is "everything is God", not A God. By that definition pantheism is feasible and personally I find Panentheism simply complicating things.
However, it is correct that the nature of what is called God (Rabb) when using the Platform/Foundation argument is panentheistic, i.e. everything is contained within the Platform. To complicate things, there is only Oneness, which means those who exist "they are" (allahem) it rather than existing separately. By taking the "I am who am I" symbiotic phenomenon into consideration, in the end everything is pantheistic simply because we do not exist outside of that Oneness. Yet we do have an individual consciousness within that Grand Consciousness which does not make it any easier for the one having problems comprehending esoteric knowledge. BUT, our nature is still pantheistic! Lol
The test is actually to come alive by your Spirit and that you do by merging with the Grand Consciousness and the result is that you are not lifeless/dead. And by lifeless God means that you do not simply live a life where you have an "unconscious" mind unaware of your nature of being. Coming aware is actually not so obvious but we often think we are free even if we are slaves to the (worldly) system, which we are not supposed to be.
Be safe Emanuel
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Post by iscariot on Oct 11, 2015 0:08:04 GMT
Yeah, it is just a little distinction made by linguists. Those are the different implications of the words I listed, various people have different versions of pantheism, and very few people know about the word panentheism. Generally pantheism is closely tied to monism due to Baruch Spinoza's philosophy, but prior to that, a version of pantheism was the polytheism in some places, that "everything is a god" as attributes of the overall God of which they are merely masks of the same One, so that the "gods" called "sea" and "sky" and whatever else are all just part of the Ultimate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism"Pantheism is the belief that the Universe (or Nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity,[1] or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god.[3] Some Asian religions are considered to be pantheistically inclined. Pantheism was popularised in the West as both a theology and philosophy based on the work of the 17th-century philosopher Baruch Spinoza,[4] .7 whose book Ethics was an answer to Descartes' famous dualist theory that the body and spirit are separate.[5] Spinoza held the monist view that the two are the same, and monism is a fundamental part of his philosophy. He was described as a "God-intoxicated man," and used the word God to describe the unity of all substance.[5] Although the term pantheism was not coined until after his death, Spinoza is regarded as its most celebrated advocate.[6]" "Pantheism is derived from the Greek πᾶν pan (meaning "all") and θεός theos (meaning "God"). There are a variety of definitions of pantheism. Some consider it a theological and philosophical position concerning God.[4] .8 As a religious position, some describe pantheism as the polar opposite of atheism.[5] From this standpoint, pantheism is the view that everything is part of an all-encompassing, immanent God.[2] All forms of reality may then be considered either modes of that Being, or identical with it.[7] Some hold that pantheism is a non-religious philosophical position. To them, pantheism is the view that the Universe (in the sense of the totality of all existence) and God are identical (implying a denial of the personality and transcendence of God).[8]" "There are multiple varieties of pantheism[41]:3 which have been placed along various spectra or in discrete categories. Degree of determinism[edit] The American philosopher Charles Hartshorne used the term Classical Pantheism to describe the deterministic philosophies of Baruch Spinoza, the Stoics, and other like-minded figures.[42] Pantheism (All-is-God) is often associated with monism (All-is-One) and some have suggested that it logically implies determinism (All-is-Now).[43][44][45][46] Albert Einstein explained theological determinism by stating,[47] "the past, present, and future are an 'illusion'". This form of pantheism has been referred to as "extreme monism", in which – in the words of one commentator – "God decides or determines everything, including our supposed decisions."[48] Other examples of determinism-inclined pantheisms include those of Ralph Waldo Emerson,[49] and Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.[50] However, some have argued against treating every meaning of "unity" as an aspect of pantheism,[51] and there exist versions of pantheism that regard determinism as an inaccurate or incomplete view of nature. Examples include the beliefs of Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling and William James.[52] Degree of belief[edit] It may also be possible to distinguish two types of pantheism, one being more religious and the other being more philosophical. The Columbia Encyclopedia writes of the distinction: "If the pantheist starts with the belief that the one great reality, eternal and infinite, is God, he sees everything finite and temporal as but some part of God. There is nothing separate or distinct from God, for God is the universe. If, on the other hand, the conception taken as the foundation of the system is that the great inclusive unity is the world itself, or the universe, God is swallowed up in that unity, which may be designated nature."[53] Religious inclined pantheisms include some forms of Hinduism while philosophical inclined pantheisms include Stoicism. Other[edit] In 1896, J. H. Worman, a theologian, identified seven categories of pantheism: Mechanical or materialistic (God the mechanical unity of existence); Ontological (fundamental unity, Spinoza); Dynamic; Psychical (God is the soul of the world); Ethical (God is the universal moral order, Johann Gottlieb Fichte); Logical (Hegel); and Pure (absorption of God into nature, which Worman equates with atheism).[30] More recently, Paul D. Feinberg, professor of biblical and systematic theology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, also identified seven categories of pantheism: Hylozoistic; Immanentistic; Absolutistic monistic; Relativistic monistic; Acosmic; Identity of opposites; and Neoplatonic or emanationistic.[54]" You can notice the distinction made here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PanentheismPanentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God"), also known as Monistic Monotheism, [1] is a belief system which posits that the divine – whether as a single God, number of gods, or other form of "cosmic animating force"[2] – interpenetrates every part of the universe and extends, timelessly (and, presumably, spacelessly) beyond it. Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical,[3] panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.[4] In pantheism, the universe and everything included in it is equal to the Divine, but in panentheism, the universe and the divine are not ontologically equivalent. God is viewed as the soul of the universe, the universal spirit present everywhere, in everything and everyone, at all times. Some versions suggest that the universe is nothing more than the manifest part of God. In some forms of panentheism, the cosmos exists within God, who in turn "transcends", "pervades" or is "in" the cosmos. While pantheism asserts that 'All is God', panentheism goes further to claim that God is greater than the universe. In addition, some forms indicate that the universe is contained within God,[3] like in the concept of Tzimtzum. Much Hindu thought is highly characterized by panentheism and pantheism.[5][6] Hasidic Judaism merges the elite ideal of nullification to paradoxical transcendent Divine Panentheism, through intellectual articulation of inner dimensions of Kabbalah, with the populist emphasis on the panentheistic Divine immanence in everything.[7] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinozismen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza
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Post by Samira1234 on Oct 11, 2015 0:58:50 GMT
Thank you for researching and responding Emanuel. I appreciate your work
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Post by Samira1234 on Oct 11, 2015 0:59:57 GMT
Thanks iscariot for your response. I always appreciate your posts and responses
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Post by iscariot on Oct 11, 2015 19:00:37 GMT
You are very welcome always, and thank you for taking a look!
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Post by Samira1234 on Oct 11, 2015 20:09:39 GMT
You are very welcome always, and thank you for taking a look! By the way I like Kuan Yin. I visited her temple a few weeks back in Malaysia. First time I did a temple visit lol. I can see why she is one of the most loved deity in the Chinese world. She embodies compassion throughout her self, unlike some other deities who have more of a dual nature. Her face in the pictures and statues is also more relaxed and non-threatening (apart from the guard statues who sometimes surround her). I thought Kuan Yin developed from Avalokitesvara only? Where did Indra come from? Peace.
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Post by iscariot on Oct 12, 2015 14:48:07 GMT
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 16, 2015 19:58:04 GMT
You seem interested in Hinduism, iscariot. I think there is truth in its religious origin but as usual hypocrites and conjecturers took on the hedonistic path and materialized divinity etc.
Be safe Amenuel
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