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Post by . on Apr 13, 2021 23:55:45 GMT
Hello people of the forum,
Lately, in my pondering about the nature of the universe we currently in and the the "next" "life", I came upon one "problem".
It actually makes no sense for us to go through a hard/harsh and tragic environment such as our earth/universe, if the "next" "life/level" has no such things at all. (I AM ALSO OPEN TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT I AM REASONING WRONG)
However, usually one goes trough a certain level of hardship before the next one, to prepare for the toughness of the next hardship. However, look at our current conviction/belief= we say that yes, earth is a tragic, cold and painful reality, but the reality/life "above" is pure bliss, than the obvious logical question is "than, what was the point to go through such a painful and tragic reality such as earth in the first place?"
It seems that our current convictions of how is the level of existence life "above" is like is wrong, and should be reevaluated. It also makes you wonder, if existence/reality could be ANYTHING that can be IMAGINED, in other words there should be nothing dictating why something should be one way and not the other, then why couldn't all "levels" of reality be blissful?
Because, right now for me it seems like the human belief that the existence "above" is pure bliss is based on just wishful thinking and the fact that we cannot prove it false, because we literally have no access to the reality "above" us. Of course same theories cannot work for our existence currently, because we can experience ourselves how it is like in actuality.
Than I left with one possible possibility and that is that the tragic, cold and painful aspects of our current reality are there to prepare for the thoughnes of the next.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 19, 2021 14:30:18 GMT
You are correct and without hardship (stimulus) there is no development, this is why we are here in the first place. The world was created to stimulate our minds. The body's influence on us and the difficulty of pushing it away is similar to lifting physical weights, if you are not strong enough you cannot lift a certain object. You do practice the mental strength before you are to do some other labor instead, so there is no eternal bliss lying around on some meadow every day forever as depicted by many religious people. The best reference to religions is that you are to become like an angel carrying out work in the circle of Elahem when you ascend away from this place.
I can spoil that you will assist in the next cycle of the universe much like Gabriel and Michael have done with this one, so you sure will not be sitting on your behind all day long forever when this is over, that I can assure you, so do not be afraid.
Right now you must concentrate on qualifying for "Heaven" (as they call it), or the "Kingdom", in order to ascend and become detached from your bodily form here on Earth, detached from Jehennom (the embodiment). You have work to be done here and you will have work to be done when you are done here. Rest assured.
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Post by . on Apr 19, 2021 22:23:36 GMT
You are correct and without hardship (stimulus) there is no development, this is why we are here in the first place. The world was created to stimulate our minds. The body's influence on us and the difficulty of pushing it away is similar to lifting physical weights, if you are not strong enough you cannot lift a certain object. You do practice the mental strength before you are to do some other labor instead, so there is no eternal bliss lying around on some meadow every day forever as depicted by many religious people. The best reference to religions is that you are to become like an angel carrying out work in the circle of Elahem when you ascend away from this place. I can spoil that you will assist in the next cycle of the universe much like Gabriel and Michael have done with this one, so you sure will not be sitting on your behind all day long forever when this is over, that I can assure you, so do not be afraid. Right now you must concentrate on qualifying for "Heaven" (as they call it), or the "Kingdom", in order to ascend and become detached from your bodily form here on Earth, detached from Jehennom (the embodiment). You have work to be done here and you will have work to be done when you are done here. Rest assured. Of course a mature person should accept reality for what it is... or maybe shouldnt? Thats a good question too. But wow if what you wrote is true... what can I say, I thought at least when my body drops dead, I will be free spirit not having to work for anybody, but it seems like as it is on earth one has to "work" to sustain ones own existence, same will be in the "next" level, seems like there is no freedom after-all. What I find illogical in all of this, is that Elohim are so powerful as to be able to project an entire reality, then I ask why not just project a reality which maximizes positive/harmonious experience and so they just enjoy their existence and company? But nay, it seems like they have something to "prove" in between themselves, or they just are fixated on their evolution to such an extent that they even agree to painful methods. Their methods themselves tells me, that there is a "urgency"/necessity amongst themselves, no? Because I think like this: If I was a God = omnipotent and omniscient Being, I would choose to create world which maximizes positive experiences, but what do Elohim do lets think about it: people that do the "evil"/painful things on earth to others, why they do it? Because of instincts right? Who projects these instincts into their minds, Elohim right? What I am trying to say is, a Being or a collection of beings (whatever one`s belief is), who is/are omnipotent and omniscient, cannot find other means of shaping up someones "being" other than the earths painful methods? Usually people go to extreme ways because of necessity right? Does this then make Elohim look omnipotent? If it looks like that they can shape up "beings" only in environments such as earth? The alternative also might be that they could actually project earths environment differently, but they just do so because for them it gives some sort of entertainment as well, like dark humor, THE FACT IS WE CANNOT SAY SURELY, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DONT KNOW WHAT GOD`S BEING IS LIKE. You know like in plain enlish people say "what kind of person we are dealing with?"
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Post by . on Apr 19, 2021 22:36:39 GMT
Of course at the end of the day, it is the best to hope for the best and do what is necessary today, work on oneself and grow ones own connection to God.
To be also, sincere myself, I have to agree tough, usually the problems in my life were caused by my own doing, but usually the thing is it is not always evident that the action would result into a problem, I mean it is hard to "predict" every reaction and so on... but alas, maybe God wants us to learn by making mistakes.
In addition, if we exist first and foremost as spirits/souls and we are attached to these human-bodies for a temporary time, then maybe from God`s perspective its not "a big deal" if for example someone`s current body gets cancer for example, because ultimately speaking the Spirit/Soul/Person behind the body is "un-scratched" even if the Person has to "feel" body`s suffering.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 20, 2021 10:42:49 GMT
Of course a mature person should accept reality for what it is... or maybe shouldnt? Thats a good question too. But wow if what you wrote is true... what can I say, I thought at least when my body drops dead, I will be free spirit not having to work for anybody, but it seems like as it is on earth one has to "work" to sustain ones own existence, same will be in the "next" level, seems like there is no freedom after-all. One has to define "work" properly. On Earth people work with completely meaningsless things for an imaginary valuable called cash and if you relate the ethereal work with this then obviously you may even sigh. On Earth people have subjected themselves to a system of acquisition but this is by no means a sponsored system from above, so to say. We can say humans on Earth are slaves to a system the governments have set up, all which involve working for a living, your daily bread. Apparently you see it like when you drop dead you will arise again in an ethereal form to work for your new employer called "God" with some tiresome mundane labor, the so-called daily grind. Truth is it is not that bad and you will not be in a body which will grow tired. On Earth your real work should involve evolving your mind and so it will continue in the next realm, you will not change the ulterior motive once you release the spirit from the flesh permanently. You will work on governing and designing the next cycle of the universe alongside Gabriel and Michael, and Jesus and Moses for example, is it not quite the fellowship? I very much look forward to meeting Jesus, he is very much my predecessor in this lifetime. Quite a different man than I am but he seems interesting. Of course I am eager to meet everyone of them, it is just that so far I have been able to relate to Jesus the most. Next in line of how much I know is Moses. Both were great thinkers who lived in different eras. From Moses came the knowledge about that "God is who is God" or "I am that I am". Understand that this is the lesson of the struggle between Pharaoh and Moses with Pharaoh implying that he is divine but Moses shows that God is in him, but the recreators of history blurred the story into showing that Moses had power because of his submission to God. The (to me in)famous word "Allah" means more or less "he/she who is alike (he/she)" but ignorant people turned the word's meaning into something else because the word is misplaced in a very poor interpretation and translation. The former word without double Lam 'Elah' means nearly the same thing but it means 'he/she who is', the allah word is an emphatic form to raise the suspicion of the wary reader and thinker about the word's origin. Do you understand the irony between my teachings compared to the religions across the globe who teach monotheism? The religions called Abrahamic faiths teach that no one can even remotely resemble God but the teachings they claim to study do teach the straight opposite. Between corrupted sentences the real facts sometimes come out, probably intentionally made so by Elahem, so that some sentences are pretty straightforward in saying the straight opposite of what the religious doctrine claims they do. Examples are that Jesus say that everyone who does like him will be children of the father and God explicitly tells Moses that "I am who I am" although people twist how they interpret that into refusing to understand its true implication. And also remember Genesis says that man was made in God's image, can it be clearer than that? People interpret things biased by their own tendency to idolatry which leads into worship, it does not matter if it is the president of the United States of Whatever or God. See that people fight over their respective gods on Earth, some for Biden and others for Trump. Religious people fight over their gods, be it Allah or Brahman or Jehova, that they claim have said different things. If people read the Bible with a critical mindset they would see these things I said above, that God intends for people to have his/her/its force within them.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 20, 2021 10:45:03 GMT
Excuse me, I always have to mix answering questions with argumentation to clearly show who I am or teach people the true history and meaning of things. I hope you do not mind, I also think it might be interesting to the person who seeks wisdom.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 20, 2021 12:02:20 GMT
What I find illogical in all of this, is that Elohim are so powerful as to be able to project an entire reality, then I ask why not just project a reality which maximizes positive/harmonious experience and so they just enjoy their existence and company? But nay, it seems like they have something to "prove" in between themselves, or they just are fixated on their evolution to such an extent that they even agree to painful methods. Their methods themselves tells me, that there is a "urgency"/necessity amongst themselves, no? There is yet much we do not know, even me. I for example am eager to know if there are multiple singularities of "God", like parallel universes in existence simultaneously but I cannot know this unless either I observe it for myself or Elahem tells me explicitly. If it was true that there exists parallel universes lots of my questions are answered that I have and it gives a better context to what I do already understand about existence and why we evolve. Without understanding my esteemed speculation would say the probability is that we are just one universe in development of many but this is obviously something we are held in ignorance about currently, but knowing about it would add sense to the subject. What I do understand is that everything needs a context or it has no ground so to say. Even within the realm of Elahem (the Kingdom) there is a context which makes up everyone's existence and which gives material to how everything is rendered. The difference when people have control over these things is that individuals could be called pure magicians in an earthly perception, it would look like the Q in Star Trek or like people running around with the Force in Star Wars, it must be quite the "wow-factor" for a person who were completely unknowing of it previously. I mean, we are impressed by this world with its marvels but think about the upper realm beyond this world then, when they have the instruments to create the projection that we live in. The best comparison we have on Earth is game designers for computer games that create immersive worlds with their own set of rules. Because I know this I am strengthening my own determination that I really want to enter "the Kingdom", it will be "cool". Humans also have a naive belief that God and the divine is exclusively good but this has already been proven incorrect through logic. No one in their right state of mind can say someone would expose subjects to the environment on Earth with diseases and cruelties, and still say God only stands for good. Old religious philosophers forced the explanation to say that there is an evil anti-god often called Satan who instead stands behind this world, in order to give sense to thought problems. This means their God is still good while they give the blame on someone else. Typical human behavior. Nay, the Earth is purposefully being rendered by Elahem with intention behind it. The remarkable thing is that our world does not exist physically no more than a game world in a computer game is physical but we experience it as real. It is just a mental projection every split second of its existence, something which is really amazing. Every time we feel pain it truly feels real and we do suffer, may suffer even down to our very soul. But this also means that Elahem are pretty unkind and cruel, exposing the human subjects to great trial and not only a simple one. There is great guile and deception in tricking the human kind that the world is their real habitat and leaving it to their personal development to figure out that they live inside an illusion. However, the signs are plentiful that things are not as they seem and careful logical thinking can process that the world is just a shell for something else. Shell is also the literal meaning of "jehennom" ('has a shell attachment thereof' if broken down into the Innate Letter Meanings of the Semitic symbols). Why do they employ such harsh methods? The answer about development of a perfect specimen is not enough, no. To be honest I suspect there is an underlying cause that I have no data regarding and can only speculate about. As I wrote earlier in my post here to you is that I suspect there are multiple universes and there may be more context to everything than what we currently know about. It could be that beyond this "safe haven" (joke) the true existence is more full with turmoil and/or competition between the universes than what we know and believe there is. Perhaps the higher realm of our universe is not as restful "inter-universally as we may believe. Thing is that a person who realizes the truth about our existence and lives according to his/her new knowledge will suffer far less than people who is ignorant about who they are. The mental grip over the body may be so strong they are safe versus various mind-bending diseases such as age-induced dementia, because after all does the consciousness being rendered independently of the body's brain, so for as long as the mind is in absolute control over the body it will not lose its sense like people with dementia can display normally. The growth of the mind does have its clear advantages. The body may get ill but the strength of mind makes the soul stable when the body is unstable, as the mind has grown independent of Elahem's projection. Now I may show shocking things for a prophet and teacher of spiritually but I have attempted drunkenness, and I have observed that my mental consciousness gets no degrading effect whatsoever of it and I can just observe the body becoming increasingly malfunctioning when it comes to functionality. I have done it in order to study the effects on an ascended mind and it has been interesting to observe the intoxication does not alter my mind's state of being. I can furthermore tell you that it is completely meaningless to drink alcohol. Why I told this was in conjunction with the above, that when the mind is strong/mature nothing affects the mind as the body is affected by something. It could be a way of measuring a mentally evolved person too depending on how they react to various stimuli. Already not being able to reach a person verbally with sense is a way of measuring how awake they are mentally. It has been intimidating to realize how low development people have around me as I have lived my life because I feel incredibly lonely that way and Elahem keep themselves in the shadows as part of the agenda. On the other hand, social needs is an instinctive requirement and it is good to practice on being alone without it affecting your psyche. It is good to practice on seclusion occasionally in life in order to also detach yourself from the instinct of social interaction requirements. People who quickly become mentally ill from lack of social interaction also have low mental development, it is meritorious to not suffer from solitude. But you require a balance and an exposure to other humans in order to have your other instinct-suppression efforts tested, if you are not exposed to sexually arousing individuals you cannot strengthen your resistance to it, for example. So total isolation for the entirety of your lifetime is not ideal, you need nearness to humans but not instinctive love to them and this is something which may sound odd to someone new to it. If you are not in a human context you cannot strengthen resisting domination through social context or seeking to imitate others. It is good to keep near but still distant to every human around you. A similitude is the root reason why you are on Earth, you do not belong whatsoever to the body and the Earth but you are still in it to get full exposure to it. They threw you into the world in order to strengthen the mental power against the stimuli offered by its environment, so total isolation that you cannot be tested and evolve is not a good option and not according to the "game rules". The main factor is not instinct evasion but instinct control while surrounding yourself with everything which may offer you temptation. Alright. With some of my paragraphs I expanded on these questions of yours and some I drifted into something else.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 20, 2021 12:36:02 GMT
To expand upon your criticism over why they employ such rough "rearing conditions" may be that they expect the mature being to be tough like John Wayne in his roles in Western movies for example, to make an example from typical rowdy human literature. I have a feeling they wish for a finished hardened individual who is not affected by adversity but who can still care despite the cynical environment they are in. The Earth does not promote tenderness between individuals with the scarcity of resources (due to the 1% who takes everything) and there is much friction between different groups and in all that with viruses like Covid-19 creating divergence between people. It is difficult to still care for everyone while the world does all this to you because you are emotionally affected and this is part of the great trial. You must be tough, hard in your personality but still care for the entire world, but you are supposed to control another world like this without bias as a governor if you complete the trial.
I am trying to give sense to something which may be insensible to you. It may still seem very harsh to send in your offspring (those created in your own seed-image) into a chaotic world created to be in this manner, it also reflects the toughness of the Elahem group in itself.
Like I have written before, each and everyone of us must go against the driving of this world which is made to create antagonism between people and not join a cause but remain neutral and look at everyone like victims. It goes hand in hand with the Biblical Jesus who said not even be angry with your brother and to care about your enemy. He emphasized on your enemy because the former Moses' saying had been misinterpreted so people still created enemies around themselves as they thought Moses told nothing about it.
People who seek to ascend to the higher realm must learn to deal with the unfairness and accept it as part of the system and avoid taking sides by being rallied towards a cause. Think about conservatives versus revolutionists for example, people only take their side without even reflecting on that the other side may have a point in things. This division into groups is toxic for the human mind, everyone has their illusive goal which does actually have little meaning. All while people behind the scenes on Earth profit from the problems around the globe. Rallies towards warfare against other countries also occur today, it did not only happen when the person called Muhammed used religion to wage war here and there, for example. It is this human idolization towards authoritative individuals which tends to drive people to join totally absurd causes which they join. People barely think about what it is they hold as ideology and they often use 100% their ideology much like "divine law" without looking at if it is even practically doable and without flaws in the greater picture.
If you can think about these things you understand why they must exist in the test environment. The testing is extensive. But I tell you, remain independent and do not embrace blind ideologies because there is no perfect one and all of the time the problem is with Homo sapiens. Always use logic and use logic to derive what is best and never mix in emotions into your logical formula. Your answer is not always the most "politically correct" one, logic is not politically correct because political correctness is based on emotion.
So all of this might seem illogical to you but you can perhaps not see the greater picture and the wishes of Elahem that the "refined individual" is neigh to perfect mentally and also with a firm mind which does not stumble to adversity. It probably goes further into the nature of the higher realm that those that do the "business" over there require the qualities of what they refine on Earth. You must never jump to conclusions, especially negative ones, when you lack the data to be 100% certain that something is illogical. I mean, someone who took the effort to create this entire illusion must have some kind of superior intellect too, would they not? It would not make sense if they did not know what they were doing and for the exact purpose.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 20, 2021 13:18:53 GMT
Because I think like this: If I was a God = omnipotent and omniscient Being, I would choose to create world which maximizes positive experiences, but what do Elohim do lets think about it: people that do the "evil"/painful things on earth to others, why they do it? Because of instincts right? Who projects these instincts into their minds, Elohim right? What I am trying to say is, a Being or a collection of beings (whatever one`s belief is), who is/are omnipotent and omniscient, cannot find other means of shaping up someones "being" other than the earths painful methods? Usually people go to extreme ways because of necessity right? Does this then make Elohim look omnipotent? If it looks like that they can shape up "beings" only in environments such as earth? The alternative also might be that they could actually project earths environment differently, but they just do so because for them it gives some sort of entertainment as well, like dark humor, THE FACT IS WE CANNOT SAY SURELY, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DONT KNOW WHAT GOD`S BEING IS LIKE. You know like in plain enlish people say "what kind of person we are dealing with?" Maybe reality is not the way people fantasize about the one they called "God", that this supernatural being is not omnipotent when it comes to developing new independent life and that is how I have thought the humans can NEVER create an AI with own consciousness on a computer because it is not possible to replicate a true person that way? For the same reason all "God" could do is "clone" himself/herself and make a "seed" of the soul and plant it in some environment to evolve, the Earth is like a mother's womb. But the "God" could simulate things like the environment (the game world) and all the characters in it with its own mind so the seed gets a context. When you think of this "God" is actually not omnipotent interestingly enough, the question is if "God" is even infinite wisdom, even if greater than ours? Then comes the question, can "God" make mistakes? Can the projection of our world be influenced by less-friendly minds inside the dream-like projection of "God"? If you knew the truth you would probably be startled over how much different input our world has at the same time, that is what my logic tells me. The idea of 'Satan' may come from this through misunderstanding from knowing some information from above. This is why it is always important to apply all the intellect you can accomplish through your own mind because you can be beguiled from any direction, you have little direct contact with "God" so you may not even know it is from Elahem or someone outside. Or Elahem may test you because they apparently have no qualms of hesitation to employ harsh situations on their subjects even if it is from themselves. I would say that if Elahem was a human psychologists would diagnose Elahem with psychopathy. But there is much that we do not understand to the entire context so we should remain calm and just like with the different human groups remain neutral and not being quick to judge. It is interesting to know that "God" cannot create new life much like a computer programmer cannot create new life via programming code into an truly conscious AI. Life can simply not exist that way. At the same time nothing you see on Earth has no real life either but it is just like a running computer simulation, all but your own mind. "God" did create this environment that the "seed of life" from each of us can evolve into a new life form. Is it not interesting to know that "God" has limitations and instead requirements? It means the life after this one also has certain requirements and limitations despite that you will be ethereal and not be a carbon lifeform. But can you belittle "God" because he/she cannot create new life? No, absolutely not, and you are within Elahem's grip and still dependent as you have not yourself with your seed grown mature. They can do whatever they like to your body, they can cause it to die this very moment if they liked and because your mind is not extracted it will remain inside too. The womb of "God" must give birth to you, so to say, or you will remain continuously. It may sound like a pure comedy. What goes on in the reproduction of male and female human resembles much of the process, funnily enough, you can make parables based on it. If "God" is the one spreading the semen, the Earth is the mother and as you know the male continues to produce endless amounts of semen, it even leaks out if not used, but the mother has a finite number of eggs. The Earth and our Universe is not entirely created without giving subtle metaphors in their nature. The truth is more complicated than the above paragraph, but it can be used as an easy parable. There is much we do not know about the complexity of life and it is getting more disturbing the more you delve into the topic. Sometimes it is good you know little when you are not ready to know the full magnitude of why. But everything with an independent consciousness require some obstacle which can be experienced in a context as progress, even "God", you need to accept that in order to understand the greater picture. This projection of the universe including our puny Earth in it, is part of "God"'s "venture" according to some existential laws far beyond our grasp today and your daily problems may seem large to you but it is like a drop of the ocean in the greater picture. Just look at various animals and how they look you can clearly see that the creator intended for some sort of humor in it. It is also esthetical design involved in the creation of many animals, Elahem is quite the artist. The human Homo sapiens is funny because it is an animal which can look so wildly different compared to most animals mostly look the same within their species. Some humans look very unpleasant to the eye while some look incomparably better. Yet the way a human looks in their Homo sapient body has no meaning whatsoever on a spiritual level.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 20, 2021 13:54:21 GMT
What I just wrote about "God" is heresy by a lot of people, but these people are idolatrous and idealists with naivety in them. Everything requires a context.
This is why the entire religious story about a deity growing slave pets on Earth for entertainment and satisfying its ego is less plausible than the elaborate information that I just told. Such creation is entirely meaningless, it is more a "see what I can create", a boastful ego project. And that god is in the meantime very unkind with its creation and throws calamity around the creation in nonsensical chaos to punish the slaves who suffer greatly. I can see a random dictator on Earth in that deity. That deity is in the image of random Homo sapient beings rather than on a spiritual level, embracing their sick instinctive humor and wants.
Whose perception of Elahem or "God" is most accurate? It is up to you to make out of course, I am in no position to force anyone and that is what I have been told. I tell what I have both heard and read plus whatever my logic has worked out.
Everyone can agree on that Elahem created a hostile environment on Earth which is consumptive in origin, the logic is that plain there. People have drawn all sorts of conclusions based on that, some more imaginative than others. Some created Satan and an evil force as opposed to Elahem. Some have created Yin and Yang. But I know the human was made this way with instinctive emotions so you can blame Elahem all you like, even if it will not help obviously. The only thing which helps is to evolve your mind, your spirit seed, or the Naas as Arabic says about the phenomenon, and combat the Jinn with its Satan which translates to the body with its instinct in English. But many people lose the perspective and why they do things, many think they obey because these are the zealous laws of God rather than a logical explanation why to do it. The Law is a clear recommendation and a prescription wise to uphold but Elahem is pretty much indifferent about whether you follow them or not. It is as much as Elahem is indifferent about that you experience this environment or not. You are meant to follow the Law based on your own intellect rather than feeling forced to obey a set of rules. The plain answer to why you follow the Law is because it is a universal instrument in order to refrain from following the calls of the instinct (Satan).
No one even needs the Law if they apply common sense, it was made as some guidelines long ago and they are good and list more or less all the human instincts. The Law does not explain the whole story in itself, you require more information than that.
Elahem suffers no pride or honor if you fail to evolve, much like a human father would not bother about which sperm reaches the egg inside of a mother and which does not. He would not count the semen in his sack either. Elahem looks initially at you like that so no one has to fear anything. It is when you begin to grow into anything that Elahem begins to care, but a father cannot enter the womb in order to make sure everything is alright when they grow. It is when a human spirit is mature and emerges that Elahem will interact. When a human spirit awakens is when Elahem enters the picture and not before that. Yet you cannot fully see and hear before you entirely exit the womb (Earth). This was in entirety a parable and not to be taken literally. Obviously no one is conceived inside a supernatural female fleshly womb.
But it may shine some light on why the intervention of Elahem is minimal while on Earth. I have sometimes wondered about it myself. But we grow to stand on our own legs so to say. We are not to be dependent on another. That we are in a body on Earth is because we cannot stand on our own, our body is a kind of host in which we grow "like a parasite" but it is Elahem that sustain you that way, you are not your own organism. Only when your spirit awakens you exist outside of that of Elahem, an awakening which may be most disturbing to all of us who have gone through the evolution. The more you evolve the more alien the body will feel and some days when you have not grown accustomed to the new realization you may even hate it, but you have to adapt to it for the time being. I have written about it earlier on this same forum that you need to treat your body well, much like a pet and not begin to harm it because you seek to escape it.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 20, 2021 14:20:48 GMT
Of course at the end of the day, it is the best to hope for the best and do what is necessary today, work on oneself and grow ones own connection to God. You grow your connection to "God" by growing yourself, it is the similar saying to Jesus who said you will find the father if you find yourself. To have hope is good but like you mention it is important to emphasize on do. To be also, sincere myself, I have to agree tough, usually the problems in my life were caused by my own doing, but usually the thing is it is not always evident that the action would result into a problem, I mean it is hard to "predict" every reaction and so on... but alas, maybe God wants us to learn by making mistakes. Yes, when you can learn by your mistakes and adapt properly you have a successful concept. Sometimes it is good to have done mistakes so you truly know what they mean. In addition, if we exist first and foremost as spirits/souls and we are attached to these human-bodies for a temporary time, then maybe from God`s perspective its not "a big deal" if for example someone`s current body gets cancer for example, because ultimately speaking the Spirit/Soul/Person behind the body is "un-scratched" even if the Person has to "feel" body`s suffering. Evilly much of the reason for the unpleasantries on Earth is meant to make people disbelievers, the evilness of Earth is meant to break down individuals so only the strong survive, much like the "survival of the fittest" and Darwinism. It is supposed to be a challenge believing that there is a supernatural being and the proper way without portraying a dictator deity. It is disturbing to us subjects but we have to learn to deal with it. Study the previous posts that I wrote in a logical speculation on the background to Elahem's existence. I have had my share of unpleasantries as well but while twisting in agony I have laughed like a masochist that they cannot make me a disbeliever, sort of. It was after those very harsh resistances of mine that they apparently opened up on their communiques with me. Their way of speaking is not so kind either, pretty sterile and emotionless way of conveying their words, but I also had a share of more open communication with less sterile communication on a couple of occasions that I remember, on one occasion I was spoken to in an uncorrupted form of an ancient Semitic language as it is meant to sound which was quite the experience. But it was through these experiences I have seen that those minds above are multiple, there are multiple personalities involved in the supernatural realm. They are called angels the way people usually refer to them, one is not like the other. But the harsh treatment is odd, it is difficult to understand they go to such lengths in testing that your faith does not break over demoralizing events. I tell you, no matter what happens in your life you need to remain strong and think about the logic behind that there is a supernatural force behind the universe and not simply give up and tell yourself that you imagined your understanding that there is something above.
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Post by . on Apr 21, 2021 20:31:28 GMT
As a note I want to say is that when I question these things is not because I dont understand that the instinct of the body is to be controlled, I do understand that the mind is strong when the body is under control, that makes sense. Rather I ask these questions because I seek knowledge.
It actually makes sense to think of earth as a womb, in addition to the similarities between a "womb" and earth another one it is the temporary nature of it. It also makes sense to be wary of whenever someone gets in "contact" with beings/forces/etc. from outside of our "womb". Who knows who these guys are? There is also the possibility, that we were captured by a force/someone(s) outside of us and this force/someone(s) because of the fact that we are energy they couldn't/cannot destroy us, thus as an alternative they chose to create a simulation of an animal species on a planet earth and put this experience over our minds.
I dont know about you, but in my own life, I had "coincidences" and "scenarios" which were so peculiar and non-likely to happen and yet they happened, that when I analyze my life, I can see with high likelihood that a force from "outside" was "tweaking/putting its hand/manipulating" my life.
Therefore I say to myself to whoever is "outside" "ok guys, I get it, this is an illusion", but what is it exactly? And why dont I have any say in this?
And I am not ill-minded or have ill-intent. I do wish good for others. But I do realize that everything could be a test here. What I find it strange, is if : 1.) God + angels / Elohim have no spirit of domination amongst themselves, 2.) however then Elohim engineer the instinct of domination/aggression in the human bodies 3.) then make new souls taste what the instinct of domination/aggression in first hand experience is like 4.) at the same time expect the sucesfull souls to ignore and not act upon the instinct of domination/aggression 5.) so that then these souls join the circle of Elohim who themselves have no instinct of domination whatsoever. Do we see the kind of absurdity of this?
I mean, if somebody wants new members who dont have the quality of aggressive and hostility towards others, then wouldn't it make sense to not put the new souls anywhere near into a dominating environment?
To put it everyday language, if I have a son for example, and I dont want him to turn into a drug addict, is it wise to drop him for 20 years in a low-life ghetto pumping with drugs? To pick him up 20 years later, expecting him to not be a drug addict?
However, the elephant in the room in this is Consciousness. There is also the fact that each person has their own mind/consciousness. As people might know, consciousness is a mysterious thing/phenomena. I mean, can somebody weight and measure consciousness in kg or cm? It is like an instrument is it not? I mean, the more one becomes Conscious, the greater level of consciousness should bring more possibilities for its owner is it not? Ironic or not, in theory, one could get so conscious that one could actually do what seems like magic, but again from whose point of view things seem like magic and should the point of view of people be taken as "facts" in the first place? What do people really know anyways? People may have laughed at the thought that people could fly one day, but today with our airplanes people may laugh at you if you would told them that people cant fly.
Of course, God is also important in this picture. Because for sure God`s consciousness and power is greater. Thus, it makes sense when people, realizing this, ask God for a "helping" "hand". And if God is omni-present and omniscient, God can even hear one`s very own thoughts and God might help.
However, of course, one should be careful of oneself too, it is also undeniable that self-deception can happen, without a person realizing.
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Post by . on Apr 21, 2021 21:02:14 GMT
Also to be fair and objective, if to test the theory that we exist on earth right now, just to punish us, we should consider the fact if earth really is "that" bad? Logically, if the intention was just to inflict punishment, then we would literally be on a planet way worse than ours right? But, as we can see earth is not "that" bad, so the theory that we are here just to get punished makes no sense.
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Post by . on Apr 21, 2021 21:06:00 GMT
Something tells me there is a very-very good/great reason/cause for our existence.
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Post by . on Apr 21, 2021 21:28:29 GMT
But I`ll be honest, it is actually pretty naive to just wait for a savior when one has ones self, I mean God gave you being, and you just sit on your couch and ask God to do everything for you? I mean, question then is why did God give you Being in the first place.
People should try to be the best versions of themselves, believe that they can move mountain like Jesus said, with their own effort, and if they try their best maybe God too will notice and help them? If God did everything instead of everyone, then what is the point of having the "everyone" around, if they cant do actions for themselves?
Maturity, confidence, action. I wonder, if there are actually people on this earth who not only realize this, but also put 100% effort into this. Could anyone say, that not only they understand this but they are 100% committed to the control of the instinct?
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Post by . on Apr 21, 2021 21:38:27 GMT
In the spider-man movie, Peters uncle tells him that with power comes responsibility, but I would also add that with knowledge comes responsibility to. I will be frank, I do feel like a hypocrite, because I do understand this right now, and yet the "pleasantness" of the instinctual indulgence is making me "get back" to it. But now that I know the reality, I cannot ignore it. Literally, when one knows about this, one cannot act naive any longer, the only thing that remains is to take control over one self.
I do ponder upon, if people really do use their potential to the fullest. Whoever am I today says NOTHING about whoever I can be tomorrow. Future is right now. Our existence cannot be just a joke/accident, there must be a great cause, and any sane individual must live up to its potential.
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Post by . on Apr 22, 2021 0:24:23 GMT
At the same time, one thing should be stated, that for sure there is so much that is unknown about what lies "outside" of the world we are in, and what kind of persons are inhabiting the world(s) outside of ours.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 22, 2021 18:30:28 GMT
Hello again, I understand your point and it is hard to understand this. Furthermore I have realized that you do acknowledge the greater knowledge available that many people reject. I dont know about you, but in my own life, I had "coincidences" and "scenarios" which were so peculiar and non-likely to happen and yet they happened, that when I analyze my life, I can see with high likelihood that a force from "outside" was "tweaking/putting its hand/manipulating" my life. Well, my whole life has been like 'Fox Mulder' in the 'X-Files' but in real life, if you know about that old TV-series, I wanted to believe and I started believing and it evolved into knowing instead of merely believe. I did already work out in my teenage years that there got to be more than meets the eye. When I was 12 (I think) years old I experienced a so-called "paranormal activity", something I refer to as "the light experience", I did observe the area around me light up very intensively in a light which did not seem natural and it was electrically charged because lamp bulbs started flickering in the room where I was back on that day. Of course one could imagine that I was dreaming the whole thing and it was just a trick of my own mind, considering the age, but the experience left certain marks in the environment, for example the bulb was entirely blown and black, and the fuse was blown as well so nothing worked right there. It was as if the abnormal light did throw electricity back at the fuse which blew. To be honest, even until this day I am not sure what and why this happened, only that it did happen. I lost my consciousness during the event and regained it lying on my bed in the room, halfway out in the room because I had pulled the bed out from the wall because I was afraid as lightning came out of the electric outlet, but still I awoke as if nothing happened later with no apparent damage on me. Over the years I speculated about what happened, when I was young I thought I was abducted by space aliens, but later I understood it was more likely supernatural activity. When you think about it perhaps my mind was affected somehow which caused some sort of intensive discharge. I have always had an anomalous mind. This was the first peculiar event that occurred in my life. About seven years ago I spoke to Elahem, heard them speak in an ancient Semitic tongue and I received a lot of missing information, fragments of the puzzle, regarding why we are here on Earth. That we live in a development ground and that everything is a mere illusion and a projection is from that time. A metaphor is that our lives are just like dreams, if you dream while you sleep, you awake from a dream to another dream, much like that. While I later have become slack working on the project I have been subtly coerced or at least there has been exhortation. Apart from that I never felt like I fit in, it started early on in life. Today I have a mysterious intuition calling me to exactly what I am doing today, being available on this forum and searching for the truth within these strange old writings. I could never abandon it and I would rather die than being forced to abandon it.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 22, 2021 18:50:13 GMT
Therefore I say to myself to whoever is "outside" "ok guys, I get it, this is an illusion", but what is it exactly? And why dont I have any say in this? Hah! You are not alone, I have even had a pretty angry tone with them. And I have maniacally laughed in agony due to how they just leave me in a crazy world. But I have worked to get a hold of myself and accepted it is in the agenda that it is I who am to be independently strong, this point of independence is the reason why you can beg for guidance but receive none. The key is in using your own mind and accepting that the reason they seem to abandon you is that you are to prove you can stand on your own legs and be forceful despite this. We should stay mentally intensive and make sure our minds are stimulated rather than on "automatic drive". No matter how we regard it and take it as cruel treatment we have to accept the involuntary "game rules", although it is okay to discuss it and question it. I am entirely fine with that. Funny thing is this Earth and that nature is like Darwinism i.e. "survival of the fittest" finely resembles our situation with Elahem's "little venture", we struggle evolutionarily to evolve our minds, the long illusionary but still existent "evolution of mankind" has been done for our minds to grow over time, but we return over and over again throughout the millennia. You might imagine the stone age man to have been a stupid and undeveloped creature but that has been you once upon a time. The evolution of Homo sapiens coincides with our "mind breeding process", it is hardly something that is done overnight but this is why you cannot be ready in one lifespan of a Homo sapiens body, and it is another logical argument why reincarnation is absolutely necessary, or virtually no one at all on Earth would get by. Interesting is that 1000 years is like one minute if speaking about a time frame reference for Elahem, my point is that hardly any real time elapses despite that we have experienced it as 1000 years. We also know that "time is relative" as per Albert Einstein.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 22, 2021 19:25:22 GMT
And I am not ill-minded or have ill-intent. I do wish good for others. But I do realize that everything could be a test here. It is good that you question everything even me. So many people have listened to trust-inducing people over the millennia and it is part of the reason the truth looks like it does now in the year of 2021. Hopefully who I am gets across the doubt and that you understand I come with authentic information. I am not protecting Elahem but I am just someone who happens to be in between and who ended up pursuing the truth and I do not trust Elahem directly without verifying it with my own intelligence first because I have been fed disinformation before in order to trick me into the usual fear of "God" among other things. I try not to put too much personal feelings and prejudices towards Elahem regardless of that I feel the world is horrible. hat I find it strange, is if : 1.) God + angels / Elohim have no spirit of domination amongst themselves, 2.) however then Elohim engineer the instinct of domination/aggression in the human bodies 3.) then make new souls taste what the instinct of domination/aggression in first hand experience is like 4.) at the same time expect the sucesfull souls to ignore and not act upon the instinct of domination/aggression 5.) so that then these souls join the circle of Elohim who themselves have no instinct of domination whatsoever. Do we see the kind of absurdity of this? Yes it is a deception and that the Manifestation mentions in one of the very first sentences. It says the thoughtful people understand it is just a deception. It is a test when the instincts drive towards a certain behavior, it is to see if you will still stand when the instinct run you over. I have already learned that this is no quantity qualification but it is quality over quantity and there never was expected to be a massive group of qualified people. Sorry but they expect elites to make it out of here, it is plain elitism. It is also a cause for you too take this very, very seriously. It is like a very strict filter. What they expect out of the test is the exact opposite of what the instinct drives us towards. We cannot show domination within the circle of Elahem. Probably, and this is a very plausible logical standpoint they are THIS HARSH because there cannot be a slightest instinct of domination inside a symbiont, if you verily understand what I am writing. Elahem is equal to a symbiosis between merged souls and there cannot be impurity, the souls conjoined must hold up to some serious standards. And the way I see it the only way to evolve our souls is to maximize the stimulation i.e our world and our bodies. The reason the illusion is so perfect is because despite everything we are to work it all out on our own, no help applied. I take it you do not understand why to place man with completely opposite behavior than expected, but it is a sort of twisted reverse psychology. If this much delusion was not thrown at us our minds would not be tested to the limits. And like I wrote, they are NOT expecting many subjects to succeed. If you see that there are billions, even trillions counting people that may not live simultaneously right now, of souls on Earth only A HANDFUL will be the ascended masters for the next cycle of the universe. Do you understand how gifted you are for even being with me right here right now? The sperms swimming towards the egg and only one fertilizing the egg is a perfect metaphor for this phenomenon. Imagine every time the Father "does it" and only one fertilizes and there are only a certain limit on eggs to begin with for the womb.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 22, 2021 20:21:02 GMT
I mean, if somebody wants new members who dont have the quality of aggressive and hostility towards others, then wouldn't it make sense to not put the new souls anywhere near into a dominating environment? It is not JUST the point, the cunning of each soul is also measured. The world acts as an intelligence check. And as you read in my previous post it is quality over quantity. The clearer your mind gets the better it is the world is so incredibly contradictory, for it is easier to see everything too. To put it everyday language, if I have a son for example, and I dont want him to turn into a drug addict, is it wise to drop him for 20 years in a low-life ghetto pumping with drugs? To pick him up 20 years later, expecting him to not be a drug addict? You entirely miss the point about this being about WILLPOWER, the example with a drug addict is perfect, it is very difficult to get out of a drug addiction. Our bodily instinct is very much like a drug addiction and it is difficult to refrain from its impulses. BEING is to have the power to be in control over these things and they are only developed by actively resisting. Plus they threw a multitude of people into this world as subjects and there is not much more than a very few who even make it through. If I was Elahem and expected vast success from my subjects I would think like you do, not throwing my son into a "low-life ghetto", but now we talk about that they sure want to sow their seeds and see which ones show real proficiency. However, the elephant in the room in this is Consciousness. There is also the fact that each person has their own mind/consciousness. As people might know, consciousness is a mysterious thing/phenomena. I mean, can somebody weight and measure consciousness in kg or cm? It is like an instrument is it not? I mean, the more one becomes Conscious, the greater level of consciousness should bring more possibilities for its owner is it not? That a mind even exists is a real marvel and actually impossible to understand per our way of perception, just as much as understanding that the Originator can exist unconditionally. You cannot measure the mind/soul in any unit no because it has no mass or volume. It simply is. When we speak of ourselves we need to compare our souls to that of Elahem/"God" as we are soul images of him/her/it i.e. our minds exist unconditionally just as the Originator. But it does not necessarily mean our minds do not have some sort of measurement although we cannot measure it by any means whatsoever in our universe, however our Force or Nuur is the measurement of our soul if we delve into the supernatural way of looking at the "size of mind" so to say. Just like with electricity, the electric potential, not the current, it does not take any space but it is a charge and can show up as a lightning if manifesting itself in our universe. Elahem also is our universe in case you have not understood it, it is mental power which does impose visual barriers to you and shaping matter, underneath the matter is just light in the form of energy. The universe is innately intelligent like a background intelligence, that is how everything can seem like having evolved from a single cell organism into more complex creatures, everything like the atheists say is true when it comes to the evolution except that is is supernaturally guided, obviously all that is our universe could not have created itself out of the blue into a complex system without knowing how to assemble itself. It is the atheists who are illogical there. The consciousness is YOU, your individuality and of course you should use your mind like an autonomous instrument you yourself control. The reason you are not held in your hand is because you are expected to be independent. A mind with a greater level of consciousness does bring more possibilities but it is your level of "a-being" which is the measurement of Being. "The condition of Being absolutely complete is achieved by learning to evolve the being. The absolutely complete master the system/subjection of control." The latter sentence refers to overcoming just what we have been talking about in these posts, a sort of bizarre system which seeks to control you. The way there is to to learn how to evolve the being. By the way, I did not write the sentences but someone else, I merely translated them and they require a slight change of word order compared to the original script. "If you are resolute and if you are perceptive, follow the path of straightness." The final sentence of that explain the alternative: "The path of people who let indulge themselves brings them a passion and which is disorienting." Obviously it requires a firm determination in order to progress here. The whole chapter I have been translating is focused on how much the body and the instinct drives all subjects blind, literally. We may or may not agree with their methods but it is how they have set everything up. Intensive delusion. And like I wrote, we have to accept the game rules regardless of whether we like it or not. You may think Elahem is rotten and evil and it does still not help you the slightest. Maybe as I progress translating I will discover a good motivation why the delusion is the way it is in a more detailed manner that I can relay to you. All I can tell you now is for what general purpose and outcome.
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Post by . on Apr 22, 2021 20:43:51 GMT
I mean, if somebody wants new members who dont have the quality of aggressive and hostility towards others, then wouldn't it make sense to not put the new souls anywhere near into a dominating environment? It is not JUST the point, the cunning of each soul is also measured. The world acts as an intelligence check. And as you read in my previous post it is quality over quantity. The clearer your mind gets the better it is the world is so incredibly contradictory, for it is easier to see everything too. To put it everyday language, if I have a son for example, and I dont want him to turn into a drug addict, is it wise to drop him for 20 years in a low-life ghetto pumping with drugs? To pick him up 20 years later, expecting him to not be a drug addict? You entirely miss the point about this being about WILLPOWER, the example with a drug addict is perfect, it is very difficult to get out of a drug addiction. Our bodily instinct is very much like a drug addiction and it is difficult to refrain from its impulses. BEING is to have the power to be in control over these things and they are only developed by actively resisting. Plus they threw a multitude of people into this world as subjects and there is not much more than a very few who even make it through. If I was Elahem and expected vast success from my subjects I would think like you do, not throwing my son into a "low-life ghetto", but now we talk about that they sure want to sow their seeds and see which ones show real proficiency. However, the elephant in the room in this is Consciousness. There is also the fact that each person has their own mind/consciousness. As people might know, consciousness is a mysterious thing/phenomena. I mean, can somebody weight and measure consciousness in kg or cm? It is like an instrument is it not? I mean, the more one becomes Conscious, the greater level of consciousness should bring more possibilities for its owner is it not? That a mind even exists is a real marvel and actually impossible to understand per our way of perception, just as much as understanding that the Originator can exist unconditionally. You cannot measure the mind/soul in any unit no because it has no mass or volume. It simply is. When we speak of ourselves we need to compare our souls to that of Elahem/"God" as we are soul images of him/her/it i.e. our minds exist unconditionally just as the Originator. But it does not necessarily mean our minds do not have some sort of measurement although we cannot measure it by any means whatsoever in our universe, however our Force or Nuur is the measurement of our soul if we delve into the supernatural way of looking at the "size of mind" so to say. Just like with electricity, the electric potential, not the current, it does not take any space but it is a charge and can show up as a lightning if manifesting itself in our universe. Elahem also is our universe in case you have not understood it, it is mental power which does impose visual barriers to you and shaping matter, underneath the matter is just light in the form of energy. The universe is innately intelligent like a background intelligence, that is how everything can seem like having evolved from a single cell organism into more complex creatures, everything like the atheists say is true when it comes to the evolution except that is is supernaturally guided, obviously all that is our universe could not have created itself out of the blue into a complex system without knowing how to assemble itself. It is the atheists who are illogical there. The consciousness is YOU, your individuality and of course you should use your mind like an autonomous instrument you yourself control. The reason you are not held in your hand is because you are expected to be independent. A mind with a greater level of consciousness does bring more possibilities but it is your level of "a-being" which is the measurement of Being. "The condition of Being absolutely complete is achieved by learning to evolve the being. The absolutely complete master the system/subjection of control." The latter sentence refers to overcoming just what we have been talking about in these posts, a sort of bizarre system which seeks to control you. The way there is to to learn how to evolve the being. By the way, I did not write the sentences but someone else, I merely translated them and they require a slight change of word order compared to the original script. "If you are resolute and if you are perceptive, follow the path of straightness." The final sentence of that explain the alternative: "The path of people who let indulge themselves brings them a passion and which is disorienting." Obviously it requires a firm determination in order to progress here. The whole chapter I have been translating is focused on how much the body and the instinct drives all subjects blind, literally. We may or may not agree with their methods but it is how they have set everything up. Intensive delusion. And like I wrote, we have to accept the game rules regardless of whether we like it or not. You may think Elahem is rotten and evil and it does still not help you the slightest. Maybe as I progress translating I will discover a good motivation why the delusion is the way it is in a more detailed manner that I can relay to you. All I can tell you now is for what general purpose and outcome. Yes. It makes sense this way, that it is all the way it is because other personal qualities are also sought after: like intelligence, willpower, determination and etc.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 22, 2021 21:23:39 GMT
Of course, God is also important in this picture. Because for sure God`s consciousness and power is greater. Thus, it makes sense when people, realizing this, ask God for a "helping" "hand". And if God is omni-present and omniscient, God can even hear one`s very own thoughts and God might help. However, of course, one should be careful of oneself too, it is also undeniable that self-deception can happen, without a person realizing. Each person must learn to stand on their own feet and it is important that their minds are independent. Not surprisingly they do test their subjects with misleading information and it is better to work on one's own logic and wisdom here. The case with the Torah and later scriptures is a good example of why it is important to be critical against all available sources. If something sounds illogically primitive and dubious it exclusively always is illogical too and falsehood. You need to portray the supernatural origin to be a superior being to common man and nothing less or similar to a commoner, and especially not similar to the wants of the Homo sapient instinct. Also to be fair and objective, if to test the theory that we exist on earth right now, just to punish us, we should consider the fact if earth really is "that" bad? Logically, if the intention was just to inflict punishment, then we would literally be on a planet way worse than ours right? But, as we can see earth is not "that" bad, so the theory that we are here just to get punished makes no sense. Of course it makes no sense. Punishment does not make sense either as a procedure, it is based on intimidation and fear is not a good motivator for honest purification. Punishment is also based on revenge for something bad someone has done as part of an emotional response. That this place would be a punishment for a crime mankind committed in "Eden" shows Elahem is emotional. But if mankind is held here to show their potential is another thing, as they do not previously fit in. The Manifestation talks much of "prevention", that certain factors cause a barrier for people. Something tells me there is a very-very good/great reason/cause for our existence. Yes. They develop (breed?) us for a good reason. It is truly amazing with truly independently living creatures. You can do a lot with minds, like create an entire world and all its features but it is harder to create new life, real life forms that is. We are that new life. But I`ll be honest, it is actually pretty naive to just wait for a savior when one has ones self, I mean God gave you being, and you just sit on your couch and ask God to do everything for you? I mean, question then is why did God give you Being in the first place. Absolutely. You are yourself your best gift. You were gifted with the seed of life. And you already had Jesus 2000 years ago saying some wise words even though some of it is mixed with garbage. Your mind is in the image of "God" and to not used it is truly a waste. Think of all the wasted seeds of "God" out there. Make "God" see some of the expectations met instead and grow as a being as one of the few who make it out. Understanding exactly why you are here without much telling you "from above" is showing immense intelligence you should know. The world was made to make everyone disillusioned as a huge mental test. People should try to be the best versions of themselves, believe that they can move mountain like Jesus said, with their own effort, and if they try their best maybe God too will notice and help them? If God did everything instead of everyone, then what is the point of having the "everyone" around, if they cant do actions for themselves? Elahem do "reactively" notice but will not help more than the person has realized for themselves at any given moment. You must not forget that Elahem is a symbiosis too, remember Elahem saying: "I am who am I" to Moses, and Jesus said "if you find yourself you find the Father". Maturity, confidence, action. I wonder, if there are actually people on this earth who not only realize this, but also put 100% effort into this. Could anyone say, that not only they understand this but they are 100% committed to the control of the instinct? The tricky part is that people do often not understand the greater picture to what it is that they are doing and understanding the greater picture can be quite important. People may combat their own bodies that it becomes like torture of it but this is not the point. Remember Jesus sarcastically saying: "And they call me a glutton and a drunkard". He did refer to that the piously religious remarked as his lack of absolute piety, at which he had much to say too. At the same time he did commend John the Baptist for his exemplary abstention, and he said that John did truly do it authentically. Jesus did rebuke that a lot of people kept a façade of piety while "their hearts are not pure" i.e. they were not genuinely practicing whatever they were doing except to be seen by men. On the other hand, no one can accuse Jesus to have been indulgent, and him saying "they call me a glutton and a drunkard" was obviously intended as sarcasm. Jesus did barely own a thing and whatever he owned he could carry around, and that way he could be mobile and not tied down. This same advice I have to you 2000 years later, the less expensive things you keep around yourself the less dependent are you on menial labor and so on. If you do not own much to steal you are also not an interesting target. Due to some differences between now and the time of Jesus you obviously have to adapt his ways to the year of 2021 and you may own a mode of transportation for example, the key is not seeking things for social acceptance or instinctive hoarding just for the sake of possession without really needing the items. The last line of the Law of Moses tells us to not covet what your neighbor has "of the more vain items" and Jesus just followed that more or less to the letter. An automobile is not a vain item today 2021 as far as it is just a simple model. The line from the Law of Moses would not make sense today without adaptation through replacing the old entities such as oxen with something from this modern era, for example your neighbor's Ferrari. The objects from the original Law are just exemplifying things in the context of when it was initially uttered. To seek what others have causes humans to spend more time to obtain it and that may both make them care less about the neighbor because of jealousy or they may lose themselves to the chase. Getting things for social reasons is part of the domination behavior, to remain competitive on the hierarchical ladder. When someone has a better item than you do it subconsciously makes them hierarchically higher than you, even though people may not notice it. It is a complex social game. All the lines in the old Law of Moses go hand in hand, connected to each other one way or another. It is important to leave the evil circle of instinctiveness. It does intensify the indulgence subconsciously and it is like entering a blinding fog. It is actually important to practice consciously at every stage of development because it is always easy to fall into the trap of doing something instinctively. It can be good to spend an evening meditating on matters like if you have been doing something instinctively without really thinking lately.
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 22, 2021 21:27:10 GMT
Yes. It makes sense this way, that it is all the way it is because other personal qualities are also sought after: like intelligence, willpower, determination and etc. Yes! Those things are mentioned over and over again in the Manifestation. Being, willpower and determination are the key pillars we could say.
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Post by . on Apr 24, 2021 23:32:38 GMT
I would like to say that people underestimate Consciousness and what it is capable of. I think people do not realize that consciousness has no limits whatsover, it is unbound imagination that can literally make-up/dream up everything. I mean, people miss the point that if they weren't conscious in minimum amount in order to even able to perceive a world around them, the world around would not even exist, at least not for them. There is literally no limit, until the limit is conceived in the mind. Didn`t Jesus say if you do what he did people would actually do greater things than he did?!
"John 14:12 New International Version Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father"
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"Luke 17:6 He replied, "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and planted in the sea,' and it will obey you."
Do you think Jesus just wanted to "show-off" how greater and more privileged he is than the rest? He literally said if you do what I do you will do even GREATER THINGS THAN HIM.
It is about confidence, shake that victim-mentality off, that mentality of weakness and mentality of it is not possible because nobody around me was able to do it beforehand. Everrything that happens happened at point for the first time. So, just because something was not possible to do beforehand in history DOES NOT mean that it is not possible to do, it could also mean that the ones before couldnt do it.
Lets think, does God want us to evolve and get nearer to Him or to give and be stuck at the same level?
I do not exclude God in this picture at all. I do realize God is greater, but I do too realize that I could be better and that life is something more.
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Post by . on Apr 24, 2021 23:36:29 GMT
Of course, one should be forever grateful to God for giving us existence, intelligence and many other things. I mean people are grateful for many different things that they are given form other people, but let`s be honest the things God gave us are/is so much more.
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Post by . on Apr 24, 2021 23:48:03 GMT
The rest of the verse about "faith" by Jesus is also very interesting, and in our contemporary time, might even seem as "politically not correct". However, check it out :
The Power of Faith (Matthew 17:19–20)
7Which of you whose servant comes in from plowing or shepherding in the field will say to him, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? 8Instead, won’t he tell him, ‘Prepare my meal and dress yourself to serve me while I eat and drink; and afterward you may eat and drink’? 9Does he thank the servant because he did what he was told? 10So you also, when you have done everything commanded of you, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’ ”
What do you Jesus wanted to say with this? As I understand, God is serious, and even if our life on earth might seem like play and games, our lives have much more serious meaning. When we are obeying God and doing and upholding the requirements that he told us through his prophets/messengers, we are actually just doing our duty, so we should not expect that we are doing something extra ordinary, I mean, whatever we are doing we are actually doing fro our benefit, do we really think we are benefitting God? In other words, think for a second, could we exist without God? But could God exist without us?
Why am I saying that God must be very-serious, is based on statements by prohets like Jesus, for example take a look what Jesus alledgely said about temptation and the ones to tempt others :
Temptations and Trespasses (Matthew 18:6–9; Mark 9:42–48)
1Jesus said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the one through whom they come! 2It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
As we can see, Jesus said metaphorically or not, that it is better that one has a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea, then to be the one to tempt other ones, and it makes sense when Jesus call the ones tempted as little ones, because for the one who studied their gospels carefully, Jesus did say that the ones who enter the Kingdom of Heaven is like those little children, who are yet not corrupted by the instincts of the more adult brethren.
Matthew 18:3 And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Post by . on Apr 24, 2021 23:54:59 GMT
Jesus also emphasized on the "doing" and "obeying" part of being a believer. It is about reforming oneself, and getting rid of instinctual and animalistic impulses/behaviour in oneself. The task is to be more of ones soul and less of ones body.
Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
The House on the Rock (Matthew 7:24–27) 24Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain fell, the torrents raged, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because its foundation was on the rock.
26But everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain fell, the torrents raged, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great was its collapse!”
(Luke 6:46–49) 46Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I say? 47I will show you what he is like who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them: 48He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid his foundation on the rock. When the flood came, the torrent crashed against that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.d
49But the one who hears My words and does not act on them is like a man who built his house on ground without a foundation. The torrent crashed against that house, and immediately it fell—and great was its destruction!”
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Post by . on Apr 25, 2021 0:53:16 GMT
I mean... AT THE END OF THE DAY, somethings are self explanatory, what is more pleasant/attractive, being happy or being miserable? Why chose misery people? Why not chose the greater things? Who in their right mind would say misery is better than bliss?
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Post by Immanuel on May 1, 2021 1:34:02 GMT
I would like to say that people underestimate Consciousness and what it is capable of. I think people do not realize that consciousness has no limits whatsover, it is unbound imagination that can literally make-up/dream up everything. I mean, people miss the point that if they weren't conscious in minimum amount in order to even able to perceive a world around them, the world around would not even exist, at least not for them. There is literally no limit, until the limit is conceived in the mind. Didn`t Jesus say if you do what he did people would actually do greater things than he did?! That is exactly true. People do not even affirm that the mind exists as an independent entity in many cases but that it is the same as the body they are (sensing like they are) within. Even religious people give an unproportionate amount of emphasis of the human body as that they will be reanimated in the paradise of theirs "as they were", it is like they do not believe in the fact that the mind is "its own phenomenon". Because people cannot "think outside the box" i.e. their bodies they can also not see beyond the perception of their bodies and will hence not believe they can even do the things that Jesus did which apparently was not little, but there has been paranormal phenomena of people apparently healing people over the years, in case those stories are true, I have never tried to verify the claims but unlike sceptics I have no reason to refute something which I cannot verify and I have no reason to reject the claims right away, they may very well be true (perhaps not in all cases). Do you think Jesus just wanted to "show-off" how greater and more privileged he is than the rest? He literally said if you do what I do you will do even GREATER THINGS THAN HIM. I often wish that Christians would look at the Biblical Gospels with a more objective mind i.e. with logic. Between fancy words like "the only son of God" he spoke words that go straight against it which would raise the suspicion of any source critical reader but there is a dogma around Jesus and Christianity which has been established for over a millennium. I would speculate in that the remnants of Rome and the falling of the Roman Empire desperately used Christianity for their own purposes and the Gospels and the Christian doctrine is shaped from that perspective despite that it is easy to see Jesus words are ambiguous unless you choose one way or another. Religious people tend to get blind of source criticism trading that for established dogma, it could be perceived as a fallacy of the human instinct actually, I have not really understood why it happens to this day because it is so absurd in my opinion that people are so sheep-like, but people are not as autonomous as one may think. Anyways, Jesus died relatively early in his Earthly life, I have speculated that he died at around 40 years of age plus/minus a few years, and he showed only a fraction of what the human can do. Contrary to common belief the maximum age of humans have fluctuated quite much over the millennia, for example during the Dark Ages it was quite bad. The older you get during your earthly life the more you realize that the time you live is nothing, it is when many people get anxiety over things like death when they do not believe in anything other than that they will die. It is about confidence, shake that victim-mentality off, that mentality of weakness and mentality of it is not possible because nobody around me was able to do it beforehand. Everrything that happens happened at point for the first time. So, just because something was not possible to do beforehand in history DOES NOT mean that it is not possible to do, it could also mean that the ones before couldnt do it. My earlier understanding of 'amen' was that it means confidence, something that proved wrong as it means "to understand/realize". Religious people uttering the word in prayers think it means "make it so" but this is absolutely wrong. Jesus uttering "amen amen I tell you" exhorts people to really realize, take to them, what he is about to say. That is the real meaning of 'amen', to consciously be aware of what you are actually saying or someone else is saying or whatever you are reading. Few people on Earth know this and many people would probably gladly see me hung for saying it going against their dogma. I will try to avoid iterating who I am... but who would believe a S(h)emitic soothsayer would emerge in the body of a Northern people, and I could care less about whether anyone believes me or not as I am like Jonah - the involuntary prophet who was nearly killed for his reluctance to carry out the prophecy he was in. I am "wasting" my time on this forum just for the sake of "trying to uphold my mission", it is not like I gain anything personally from it. The proof of who I am is in what I am saying like it has always been. Whoever cannot see it is not worthy, something which is the meaning of the abused Arabic word 'hamad' used for the word "muhammad" and the very first sentence of the religiously charged scripture 'Kuran' (Quran) refers to the 'worthy (commended/ranking) of being' as I have presented in lots of different attempts at translation into English as the ancient tongue is incredibly hard to turn into English because it bears no resemblance to English but is spoken completely differently. But I can be honest to say I have been tired of the difficulty to gain followers very much, people are so stuck in their thinking that it is hard to reach people mentally, I have tried with several methods and pedagogical approaches. Being with this role means you have to become something like a psychologist, fortunately "the religiously charged scripture" contains a lot of guidance on the ways of psychological approaches to deal with people on that topic of which methods I have attempted at multiple occasions which seems I am changing constantly. However I understand people have their own problems in their lives, I have had my own share of issues, but I am through a most of my instability and hope someone else is and joins the cause, for the sake of Elahem and not me. On the other hand, I have no responsibility of guiding anyone, my success rate of penetrating minds and my mind's cunning is a measurement of how sharp my mind is, that is why there have always been prophets as they have always been the top of the line and are tested accordingly, so perhaps it is time for me to take my "chore" seriously although I can hardly be blamed that I never tried I have been quite at it over the recent years, although I lost some of my motivation to translate "the religiously charged scripture" after I learned it was a teacher's book and who wants a teacher's book when no one wants to be a student? However, regardless of what the book is for I picked up some speed because I realized that intertwined within its words would be information I do not yet know. I must tell though that deciphering it is incredibly hard to say the least, a passage (verse) can take an entire evening although logic would tell I would do it better with practice and eventually it would read the language like if it was my mother tongue, so in theory it would not take 365 days to translate 365 passages. If I could even do one passage per day I would go through the scripture relatively fast. I know Elahem passively helps me because that is the prophecy of Immanuel but Immanuel is sadly enough be a person extremely tired of life who people "do not only tire his body but even his very mind", something which I can sense extremely well as I think people with all their reluctance and disbelief not only tire me so I sigh but they really grind on my mind as well, although it is not really that which truly bothers me but actually being alive at all bothers me, when I am alive in a physical body. It is when I am both tired of life and having been put to carry out this work in my tired state that it becomes something I loathe, and which is probably my test as well, a test of endurance. Something I have learned is to accept my loneliness.
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