I was wondering if Ramadan, like everything else, was a misunderstood concept of the qur'an and if Fasting is recognised at all by the Rabb. I know from personal experience, haveing fasted on water only for 20 days after the month of ramadan that it has ben an enlightening experience which has helped me kick off some bad habits and shed a lot of weight.
I would like to know what does the Qur'an really say about fasting and Ramadan.
My deciphering project has not yet reach the passages involved, but I expect to come there by the first half of next year. Fasting as a practice has beneficial factors during a short-term interval, but over a longer period it is likely detrimental. Not very detrimental, but the Body will take measures to adapt to the stunted eating pattern and does not develop efficiently over time. It will not run at its peak efficiency and if you run out of protein depots during daytime (because I presume that you speak of fasting from dawn to dusk) then the Body will break down muscular tissue simultaneously as fat. From a viewpoint of rationality and logic, it is irrational and illogical to do a prolonged fast since it will be tearing on the Body. I know quite much about this since I am an amateur bodybuilder and proficient in knowledge about nutrition.
Abstention صوم (sawn) per Quran, up until where my project is at 2:177, includes a constant "fast" from the World to the extent possible by the individual. The word with root صوم is used multiple times even as far as I have got into the deciphering and it refers to that you basically ought to abstain from your own Bodily impulses, however it is not only from sex, food and water but everything you could imagine including hoarding of money, being soaked up in your career, et cetera, i.e. you should conform your life in such manner that you can control the Body's "Satan" which is the instinctive drive. In Arabic, the word صوم does not exactly mean fast but to stop/refrain/abstain which would imply that you learn to "say no" about things in your life. For example, if you like chocolate and you see a chocolate bar in front of you, you may not be able to resist and you might be inclined to indulge. If you can stop yourself, "corking the bottle" meaning you "sawn" the behavior in order to remove the desire completely.
Related roots for صوم
Sad-Miim-Miim = to be deaf, cork (a bottle), stop (a flask), be obstructed (ear-hole).
Sad-Waw-Miim = to fast/abstain.
Sad-Miim-Ta = to remain silent. saamitun - one who holds his peace, silent, lifeless, mute.
Sad-Miim-Ayn = to detain anyone by persuasion, strike with a stick. sam'atun - recess in wall. sauma'a - monastery, monk's cell, cloister.
Sad-Miim-Dal = to set up, erect a thing, adorn, wish, repair, strike. samad - chief, lord, eternal, one to whom obedience is rendered, one to whom recourse is had, one who is independent, everything goes back to him as its source.
Yes, all the roots are related to the word in question even if they are slightly different.
Traditional fasting can surely be useful for a person and I do not condemn the practice, but I would say it is far more spiritually developing to make appropriate "sawn" changes in life and to keep the fasts to a couple of days only on occasion and not too often but perhaps once a week or so.
If you stop with indulgence this is far more recognized by the Rabb than "marathon fasts" since you are actually within a living being that you have to take care of and this being may even take damage from your habits even if you do not care about the Body and is focused on your Spirit. This suffering for Bodily detachment is a misconception by the sects. It is better that you NEVER eat too much and nothing which the Body does not need than to fast. The Rabb would recognize controlled intake more than fasting if you compared the two and chose one. The purpose is to separate the Spirit from the Body and that you accomplish if you stop taking what the Body does not need.
If you manage to control the Beast, you will feel the same and even better benefits than you get from merely (traditional) fasting over a period. Obviously, if you reduce the consciousness of the Beast by "strangling" it then its deluding impact on you (your Spirit) will reduce, but smarter one is if they keep it healthy but controlled like an animal for you will get the same results plus maintaining the soundness of the Body.
Long time has passed since your last post here! What do you think Fasting and Ramadan are? I haven't fasted a single day this Ramadan, I do feel some guilt but I'm so tired of all the bull that I don't want to waste energy doing meaningless practices.
The "marathon" fasts of Islam is very likely a Pagan invention, believing that it is through suffer and sacrifice one proves he/she is devoted to the deity. Fasting the way it is done in Islam messes up the metabolism as you eat then you do not eat and then you eat again, the body does not like this style. It is actually better to decide to fast 24/7 for a few days than go on like in Islam for a month, that it beneficial for the body. Obviously, the loss of fat for people may trick the person into feeling they did something great, but general reduction of food intake, particularly sugars and bad fats, far outdoes such fasting. Furthermore, the traditional consumption of dates at the end of a fast is disastrous for the body.
I must admit I have not yet deciphered the relevant verses from Quran concerning this issue, so I do not have a scriptural "overwriting" of what sectarian Islam says, but as I wrote in the previous paragraph it is not gaining any benefit to the body through performing the fast as in the sect of Islam as all you are doing is tearing the body down.
Rather than fasting Islam-style it is better to learn to abstain from instinct-triggered action in life and so to say abstain from the worldly pleasures around the clock, year around. Typical Muslims in the world even nullify the purpose of their Ramadan fasting by being engrossed in food as the sun goes down, more or less making the whole idea of prolonged fasting meaningless.
That being said, I do not say an occasional fast for a few days is not good and it is rather the opposite. Even human scientific research has found that an occasional fast does stimulate the immune system and some "experts" say you may even fast one day every week.
Concerning what is written in Quran, the word Ramadh'an is likely a reference to something particular, I am going to study it further and actually the project is soon approaching that part of Quran in chapter 2.
However, you will not need to feel any guilt over not fasting Islam-style, it is quite obvious through logic the month-long fast is a myth. If one is fasting they do it for their own sake and not as a portrayal of devotion. Fasting is done to achieve a level of detachment from worldly pleasures and it can be commenced at any time of the year. It is the detachment from indulgence which is the purpose of the fasting in the first place.
If having mastered control over the consumption of food and drink, then fasting is pretty meaningless as long as a person can maintain the control over time. A fast's primary aim is to find a help in getting rid of the strong urge to eat, the sucking temptation to ingest something. After a successful fast or multiple fasts to reduce attachment, the fasts are not required as long as the person can maintain that detachment without falling back, and obviously certain rearrangements in life are necessary in order not to fall back.
So you are not fasting due to a show of devotion to God or anything like that. If it is guilt you feel it is for your own sake and well-being, if you find that you are engrossed in life. Constantly finding yourself with guilt and not doing something about it means you have to work on your willpower and determination, being convinced that the reformation is of the essence and your future life is at stake. Not passing through this stage of life is a failure.
Aviel: Immanuel, Thank You very much for the work you do. Thank you for your insight, IM SINCERELY THANKFUL! There are people to whom your work is very important, and I can and will raise my hand for being one of them.
Jul 31, 2017 10:29:55 GMT
Immanuel: You are welcome, hansolo. It is for your sake that I am doing it primarily, but I am also a bit curious myself regarding the underlying lore. Persistent research and critical thinking has led to a great breakthrough.
Aug 13, 2017 19:08:46 GMT
nullandvoid: Wondering what a future with only non-dualistic people would be like?
Jan 28, 2018 14:53:12 GMT
Immanuel: Symbiotic existence, like a permanent telepathic coexistence. This is why humans are placed to learn to coexist on Earth on a very basic level and even with marriages, in order to be ready for a greater union by developing from there.
Feb 2, 2018 21:32:19 GMT
Immanuel: Our challenge here is Homo sapiens' self-preservation and other instinctive drives/motivations, which makes people think in "dualistic" ways.
Feb 2, 2018 21:34:12 GMT
hftwo: Immanuel do you believe that You will be able to do "Godly" things during this Immanuel-life-time? Because I do think if Jesus said that you will. e able to do these things and even greater! But logically thinking to get Godlike powers...
Oct 4, 2018 10:48:45 GMT
hftwo: ... one needs to become perfect /totally complete as a being. I do not count on my self, because it seems like the sex commandment is something that I usually break.
Oct 4, 2018 10:49:35 GMT
hftwo: How can I count myself as a perfect being if I cannot control the reproduction urges of the body?
Oct 4, 2018 10:50:10 GMT
hftwo: But at the same time, I do not want to be a human any longer, I do not want to be weak any longer.
Oct 4, 2018 10:50:49 GMT
cerulean: learning to live each day as the last i.e giving our best at each moment, not allowing for sloppiness in thinking and doing, not even for a second. Not allowing the postponing of what should be done
Oct 10, 2018 18:51:29 GMT
cerulean: We should learn to do that, and then all other things will be easier. By adopting a way of being instead of just focusing on abolishing those apparent wrong acts such as masturbation.
Oct 10, 2018 18:55:42 GMT
Immanuel: I might seem to prescribe impossible goals, but I also say that we do reside in a creature which is an animal and you will not be rid of its functionality without killing it and the creature as an animal has needs which are inevitable.
Nov 4, 2018 21:01:04 GMT
Immanuel: What the "Ten Commandments" counteract is the enslaving effects of the body. Furthermore, I am still not convinced about what the seventh command says as it probably says "unnecessary sex". Jesus gave a recommendation of not even looking upon a woman.
Nov 4, 2018 21:05:37 GMT
Immanuel: Jesus' word of not even looking upon a woman (or man) suits that of no unnecessary sex. It is about that sexual trigger in the mind which is spoke of. Pay attention to that translators usually add "other" within parentheses, meaning it is about ANY woman.
Nov 4, 2018 21:11:06 GMT
Immanuel: "but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:28 NASB
Nov 4, 2018 21:17:55 GMT
cerulean: Right, so one should probably adopt an entire way of living, instead of focusing on one thing, because many other things can lead to that one thing you are trying to keep away from.
Nov 5, 2018 12:44:38 GMT
Immanuel: Yes, this is about a way of living rather than a dumb set of rules. People have incorrectly referred to the so-called 'Ten Commandments' as laws to uphold for the sake of worship, but this is wrong. They are guidelines in order to maintain a conscious lif
Nov 5, 2018 18:38:31 GMT
Immanuel: Unfortunately the first lines of the Commandments were distorted so badly it looks like they sanction religious worship. While they seem to promote relinquishing the mind, the truth is they that say the straight opposite.
Nov 5, 2018 18:43:25 GMT
hftwo: Just "Be" is that simple
Jan 11, 2019 12:54:40 GMT
hftwo: You have everything You need, You have Yourself, or is it?
Jan 11, 2019 12:55:25 GMT