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Post by cerulean on Apr 27, 2017 16:40:44 GMT
I've left these questions open on another forum regarding the right and truthful mindset that the oppressed 'believers in God' people of this world should have:
"Are we being tested or are we being abused" ?
"Do we have a say in this ?"
"Will things magically fix up ?"
"How far is our potential ?"
"Where is God when we need him?"
"Is this God's plan ? "
"Shall we just live through this until our last breath ?"
"..."
This hits the core of being a "believer". What does it mean ?
Acknowledging the idea of God - ok?
Being nice to people ?
Helping when we can ?
Why do we even help other people ?
The Creator apparently told us to help people, what happens when we help people, does it truely impacts their life ? What happens when we don't help people ? Does it affect their life ? Does it mean our actions impacts other lives ? Does it mean our actions impact our own life ?
Are we and all the living beings left to our own actions on this earth ?
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 27, 2017 20:04:08 GMT
Hello cerulean and welcome to the forum. Despite that I could not make out whether you were asking me or somebody else to answer your questions or not, I found it logical to assume you were asking for someone to address them. "Are we being tested or are we being abused" ? I would answer that we are being developed, so neither of the stated hypothetical answers are correct, but "being tested" is the more accurate of the two if one has to choose. "Do we have a say in this ?" Yes and no, depending on what of it you mean. We are subjected to some challenge we have had no say to participate in and we are being in delusion of something else. But under the circumstances and conditions, we are able to ourselves shape our future and being. "Will things magically fix up ?" You would have to define "magically" better in order to reply to the question and clarify the question for that sake because I was unable to interpret it properly. "Where is God when we need him?" Letting us use our own faculty of reason and acquired abilities as is in the evaluation of how fit we are. If "God" would intervene the results would be biased as your progress is not personal. However, "God" is there in subtle ways, but you may not perceive it. And, part of the delusion/illusion of this world is to test the intelligence of the developing beings, so it is meant that people are to process the truth behind the world on their own and discover about God using their intellect. "God" is not intended to babysit you nor spoon-feed you. If you are partially aiming at the chaos of the world and "God's" apparent absence the answer becomes complicated including reincarnation and all. It might seem cold-hearted of me, but a lot of people in this world have caused their own mayhem. What I wrote above is "God's" plan, yes. "Shall we just live through this until our last breath ?" What other choice do we have? Commit suicide? Committing suicide is an immense risk-taking because you never know what will happen when your memory is wiped and you start over in a new setting, so I would prefer to remain in the current life. No matter how your life looks like, you can develop. And here in your life you have your soul with you and you will not have a different soul later. Acknowledging the idea of God - ok? It is about acknowledging the situation you are in and being able to do something about it. Try to be nice even to the most unkind of people. If you can you show progress. It is easy to be kind to those inclined towards you, but others who are unfriendly it is harder to be kind towards. That is your challenge because it goes against the instinct. Helping no matter how little we can give. Why do we even help other people ? It manifests our development. It can seem pointless helping someone who does appear to be lifeless in spirit, but it has some use. Your "aura" as a person does have an influence on people. The Creator apparently told us to help people, what happens when we help people, does it truely impacts their life ? What happens when we don't help people ? Does it affect their life ? Does it mean our actions impacts other lives ? Does it mean our actions impact our own life ? Our actions manifest where our mental progress is, so it is a yardstick in measuring our development. The purpose of this world is development, so contributing to the development is a mutual aim for you and "God". If you do not help you are redundant and useless. A being which does not develop is not fulfilling any purpose. The questions about impacting other lives and impacting our lives you can probably answer yourself without asking the question if you merely reflect. Think logically. People are becoming independently functioning beings and their ability to being helped in many matters is due to their own formation, hearkening and perception of the illusion which the bodily of this world projects. Everything is about being sound and there logic plays a great role. Are we and all the living beings left to our own actions on this earth ? If we are sound we can use the body as a tool even if we are not in perfect control. We can affect the world in various ways. We are not elevated beyond this world until we are deemed fit enough. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Andrewsarchus on Apr 29, 2017 9:19:33 GMT
First off, I cordially welcome you to this forum, Cerulean. I've left these questions open on another forum regarding the right and truthful mindset that the oppressed 'believers in God' people of this world should have: Might I enquire about how you've arrived at this conclusion? And are these the only questions that all believers should entertain to be dubbed one of "right and truthful mindset"? Correct me if I'm wrong but a look at the other forum suggests that by oppression, you're talking about the people(only believers) who have been wronged by others. All these questions depend on the way you define the Creator. Do you believe in a supernatural intelligence who created the universe and is intimately involved in human affairs? And is the said deity around to oversee and influence the subsequent fate of his initial creation? Like does he answers prayers, forgives or punishes sins, intervenes in the world by performing miracles, keeps an account of the good and bad deeds, and knows when we do them (or even think about doing them)? Or do you believe in a supernatural intelligence, whose activities were confined to setting up the laws that govern the universe in the first place? Thus such a creative force never intervenes thereafter and certainly has no specific interest in human affairs, does not answer prayers, is not interested in sins or confessions, does not read our thoughts and does not intervene with miracles. Or is your definition of the creator, a non-supernatural synonym for Nature or for the Universe or for the lawfulness that governs its workings? If you're referring to Man Made Pollution then it's not that simple. Depends on how long the human race can survive and delay extinction. A believer is a person who believes in the truth or existence of something. And you're right, Acknowledging the idea of god is almost exclusive to believers(with a few exceptions like Misotheists). These activities can be done/replicated by an atheist. There are evolutionary reasons to this. Naturalists and ethologists will tell you that modes of behavior like altruism, reciprocation, a sense of fairness, protecting the weak, and so forth evolved naturally in our mammalian progenitors because it's beneficial to species survival. I'll provide a few links for you to pursue this further. 123456What sort of help are we talking about? And a more detailed description of the requirements of the recipient would be appreciated. Like is the person a recovering alcoholic? An elder unable to afford surgery? a delinquent student perhaps? What else would you suggest? I would love to know. I'm sorry, I responded with more questions than answers. I hope you find the answers you seek. It's great to have an inquisitive soul.
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Post by cerulean on May 1, 2017 10:34:16 GMT
Thank you all.
So let me conclude from what has been said here and from my opinion, and correct me if you think I'm wrong. - Each human life revolves around the human himself, thus we shouldn't limit ourselves and the power of our own decision making. The chaos in earth nowadays is due to the wrong decision making by a party, and the non-decision making by another. Which turned into oppressors and oppressed. - God's manifestation in our live can be viewed as how much we 'perfected' ourselves. - God sustains the earth and our bodies, and yet if we humans seek destruction of any of those then both can be destroyed. - Humans are fully responsible of the outcome of every test they face. - The glorifications, the supplications, the countless 'prayers' for safety and health and well being are merely a mean of providing self-reassurance, and is due to the personification of God, out of ignorance ?
Quran states something like :"the good/beneficial is from God and the bad/harmful is from yourself", or in the bible where we find something like: 'I was hungry and you fed me and I was naked and you clothed me'. What is this attribution to God if we were truely responsible of what we do ? This has always confused me.
The only logic I can make of it is that perhaps our mind (or soul or whatever) is not isolated from God and doesn't act as an individual entity of itself, and whatever good decision we make out of it is actually God. It sounds quite confusing but it makes sense with 'God's manifestation in one's life' being related to how much we seek good decisions with our mind. the two are not separate ? And thus when we make decisions out of anything other than the mind then it harms us and it's from ourself, and when we make benefits out of good decision making then it is the 'good' from God.
I woud like to discuss this last point a little more as I think it is the most important one. The God vs the mind vs Decisions/Potential
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Post by Immanuel on May 2, 2017 20:24:37 GMT
- Each human life revolves around the human himself, thus we shouldn't limit ourselves and the power of our own decision making. The chaos in earth nowadays is due to the wrong decision making by a party, and the non-decision making by another. Which turned into oppressors and oppressed. Our capability is sanctioned by (what is) "God" and we are a living entity/being which can develop and there is a difference between the body and the spirit of the soul. The body is not independent and it is forcing its behavior upon its victim which in this case is the attached soul. However, a strong-willed person can exercise might over the body and make the person with its accompanying avatar behave above the ordinary and for such person human-level psychology has no grasp. The chaos depends on many defective souls in existence on Earth, and the chaos is just going to worsen. On a timeline, this is the final stage of the development sequence and for the one who understands the truth everything is going to be black on white. Sadly even with all cards on the table many people will not be able to see that all the evidence is up front, because they cannot fathom someone eventually came with it at a later date and so much false information is widespread. It is interesting that people always seem to struggle to live in the past and they think all the good was in the past, all the good and knowledgeable people were restricted to the past. Make yourself real and you can live with the same glory as those who did and you do not have to look back at them. Your future is far more important than to have an awe for people in the past. It is dangerous to think "I seek shelter in God", it is foolishness", it is like you remove all sort of life from yourself. You need all the strength you can, because even if you know all the enjoined things, you require a mental strength in order to guard yourself against them and the only way to have the strength is in believing in yourself, i.e. your being, have confidence. Without your own ability you cannot persist against the deception of this world, you have to become developed and gain a strong soul integrity, and this "God" will not do for you as in "spoon-feeding" you or "babysitting" you as that is your imposed challenge in this world. The issues of the Earth is part of the stimuli in order to make you developed and it would only be counterproductive for "God" to carry you through it so you do not develop your own being. There is a "God", but not the way people are used to... - God's manifestation in our live can be viewed as how much we 'perfected' ourselves. God is manifested through or in you the closer to the spirit of your soul you become. It is a kind of symbiotic union. But your consciousness is that of a unity, and you exist as your own being, you always retain your identity much like Gabriel and Michael. Your reality will seem like telepathic when and if you reach that stage. It will be a kind of joint, like something you have no experience of today. And for that union you require development of your soul or you have no being to take part in it since you are here to develop a unique identity and it is measured based on your soul strength or power, so your share is depending on how much your consciousness evolved. What is important for you right now is to work on your consciousness and maximize your confidence level and soundness, so that you are complete from all defects. Confidence is nothing to be ashamed of, get as much as you can, but remember to always think logically and rationally. Have faith in being. - God sustains the earth and our bodies, and yet if we humans seek destruction of any of those then both can be destroyed. Humans are responsible for diminishing their own souls. The Earth is just a "sandbox" (or perhaps rather environment) where development is to take place. The accomplishments on Earth beyond soul growth carry no merit, it is just a development ground. - Humans are fully responsible of the outcome of every test they face. Basically so yes, it is a development on a massive scale. It is worth considering that it is more about quality over quantity. - The glorifications, the supplications, the countless 'prayers' for safety and health and well being are merely a mean of providing self-reassurance, and is due to the personification of God, out of ignorance ? Yes, such acts are mainly only to help oneself. However, there is a Unity above the Earth which consists of managers which can assist on Earth even if that is made in very subtle ways as not to ruin the test and that can be such as prayers coming true. Arguably, the 'High Domain' (Heaven) will only help if there is a gain to be made to the general development. If someone is asking for vanity this is simply not something relevant. The 'High Domain' will surely focus on prospects which show great potential, it is important to work on one's own being. A person who remains in sin, darkness and ignorance will surely not be any interesting. Those who choose to be animals despite the potential through having a pristine spirit seed innate in them will simply not be attractive to the higher evolved. That being said, "angels" as they are often called may assist a person who is interesting and shows potential. There is an interest in bringing forth more successful subjects to this development "project". The Earth is not just some place to find no light in the darkness. Certain people, usually called prophets, may become a bridge between that realm and here due to their mental development. Such people are in the final stage of development before being released and people who believe in them may also discover a solution to find a way out through "jumping aboard the train" and making the better choice. It is important to know that the power of the being determines when one is "mature" or "ripe". Quran states something like :"the good/beneficial is from God and the bad/harmful is from yourself", or in the bible where we find something like: 'I was hungry and you fed me and I was naked and you clothed me'. What is this attribution to God if we were truely responsible of what we do ? This has always confused me. There are numerous errors because the word "allah/aleh" from Semitic sources has been misinterpreted for many generations. The good is from Being and the bad is from your self" and its development. God is with you whenever you discover the innate pure spirit within you and let it grow and it will furnish you, clothe you, feed you. Hungry and naked is also possible to be in a figure of speaking, it depends on what kind of dress you get and what kind of food you get. When the soul is not developed it is both naked and hungry. When you seek its origin, then you also find ways of getting it dressed and fed. The only logic I can make of it is that perhaps our mind (or soul or whatever) is not isolated from God and doesn't act as an individual entity of itself, and whatever good decision we make out of it is actually God. It sounds quite confusing but it makes sense with 'God's manifestation in one's life' being related to how much we seek good decisions with our mind. the two are not separate ? And thus when we make decisions out of anything other than the mind then it harms us and it's from ourself, and when we make benefits out of good decision making then it is the 'good' from God. Good logical inference. You are right, our soul is not separate as a platform from "God" but it is one and the same unity, there is a universal spirit, but you are developing as your own being and you may become a person of your own, this is your share of expression of "God", you are a part of being. So "God's" could be said to develop from within and not from without. You have the right to exist as a being without a god being jealous or something. That is truly creating new life, a being which can function independently and well. Do not belittle yourself, you are an expression of creating new independent life. And "God" is the image in which you were created, but you were placed in Adam (the bodily race of Homo sapiens) in order to bring stimulus to your development. The body and the Earth is just stimuli for you during your development, see it as a tool to make you better and beyond that it is just an illusion even if it technically through its marvels function just like you find a very realistic video game. I woud like to discuss this last point a little more as I think it is the most important one. The God vs the mind vs Decisions/Potential Your mind is an image (seed/clone) of God. It can function on a very advanced level. It is the bodily interference which causes the issues, as it was designed to be doing. You are a creation of independent life, a lifeform which is supposed to exist as its being. It is worth knowing that your mind was a blank identity, no shaped characteristics and is in a parable way of speaking a seed which requires sound cultivation. Your current soul condition is the result of how the cultivation has been so far. This is why humans on Earth seem so very different in how much life one can perceive in them, some appear very lifeless and empty, and follow instinctive behavioral patterns very closely. The personality/integrity/identity of a person is in their soul and not in the body. The body does only contain bias of the current life cycle and may cause further issues for the weak-minded. Defective souls may also project very bizarre human individuals. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by cerulean on May 5, 2017 10:47:32 GMT
Thank you, this was very detailed and brought up many important points, I definetly have things to work on starting from the confidence in the Being of mine, as from time to time I feel this loneliness "no one to turn to" as I no longer view God as that person you talk to for reassurance, but this also encourages me to focus my effort on being rather than "feeling like you're in the right track" with religious doctrines. Now for the sake of keeping this thread clean and on topic, I'll address, some time in the future, further questions about particular things. Thank you for your time
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Post by iscariot on May 10, 2017 21:01:08 GMT
Wonderful questions. The way I answer questions is by answering them in as many ways as possible but generally starting from Yes and then into Yes As this and in this way and this way and No and also dealing with the thesis and antithesis for each particular, and synthesis of them all.
So one can just run through and go Yes and No to every question where that might imply and then explain various ways in which they are yes and no. I will give you some particular and perhaps fun answers though.
"Are we being tested or are we being abused" ?
Abused.For a joke etymology "Used by the Ab" for what? Testing, testing in the sense of a chemical test, to make manifest results or to put things into action which were not otherwise in action or manifest.
"Do we have a say in this ?"
You need to have a mouth to have a say usually, and this was decided apparently before you ever had a mouth or a body to hold it up.
"Will things magically fix up ?"
Always Magically.
"How far is our potential ?"
The only thing we can't do is what can't be experienced.
"Where is God when we need him?"
Right there with you, in you, surrounding and behind and under everything.
"Is this God's plan ? "
If something is called a plan and has been planned then only the planner is responsible.
"Shall we just live through this until our last breath ?"
You will. So long as you are experiencing, you are living.
"..."
That is right.
"This hits the core of being a "believer". What does it mean ?"
Being a believer can mean disbelieving in most things as impossible. Those who disbelieve are those who invest too much in beliefs or other beliefs, who think rocks can't possibly melt into water in their hands or conversely, certainly will. The true one does not know or say either but knows that with Allah all is easy, fire is not necessarily hot, a head cut off does not certainly lead to death, etc.
"Acknowledging the idea of God - ok?"
Only the correct idea of God. The God that Man of Faith and I talk about and the messengers of Old. Not the lies people make up and call God.
"Being nice to people ?"
If you want to be a leader, you ought to be charming and loveable. Power is rightfully coupled with the just. God is making it clear just who deserves the power and who does not, the ones selected are the sincere and loving and sensitive and soft nice people inside, good to all creatures, God is watching them from the inside out. How we "win" is by being utterly good and nice. How we "lose" is by being irresponsible and careless. A bad manager with a bad heart is stripped of their power and authority when it matters or is lasting.
"Helping when we can ?"
Yes.
"Why do we even help other people ?"
We help them because our hearts cry out at the plight of people and because it is our duty to be caring of ourselves and others. Does a good gardener just leave a garden to ruins or do they reach out to beautify and care for things to flourish and be in good health? A good gardener does these things because care is the true essence of God and a soul, it is known in Christian terminology as Agape.
"The Creator apparently told us to help people, what happens when we help people, does it truely impacts their life ? What happens when we don't help people ? Does it affect their life ? Does it mean our actions impacts other lives ? Does it mean our actions impact our own life ?"
Good questions. It is not about whether it impacts or not, and it does always have an impact, but it is about you and what you do and what you are and what you will be. You are either worthy or you are not and this life is what makes that blatantly clear. If you struggle in goodness you will be rewarded with the like and better. If you work evil, you will not rightfully be given power or authority as you have been demonstrated as a bad candidate and manager and gardener, sowing seeds of destructiveness and harm rather than edifying and beautifying your experience as far as you are able and having a caring soft heart.
"Are we and all the living beings left to our own actions on this earth ?"
It depends on what you think you own or what you say is your own. Basically, yes, you are to be under the impression that all you experience is your own, your domain, which you are to work dilligently to do good in and with, even if its really not yours in the end but made by God of course, it is given to you for your use and development.
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