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Post by rekkd on Aug 23, 2017 20:50:50 GMT
So the past couple of weeks I've been taking long walks thinking about why we are here. I've been reflecting and trying to figure out the answer by thinking of different scenarios and reasons.
Today while in bed something hit me, an idea. I would like to share it and see what you guys and girls think.
So we live in a world ruled by facts and science. Everything can be proven eventually and everything is made for a reason. For example: 1+1=2, we have the perfect percent of oxygen in the air for our survival, the body has an immune system to fight off diseases and it all depends on our diet, mental state and other factors. Everything can be calculated and whatever is not understood now scientifically will eventually be dicovered. What I'm trying to say is God created the physical world with certain rules and parameters and God alone knows everything about it. However, we humans can figure it out as time goes by.
The only thing that God does not have control over is our consciousness. We humans are very random yet at the same time predictable to a certain extent but not completely! Maybe that's what religious scholars always meant by freewill but never truly knew how to explain it without saying God is not in control of it.
Now what I understand is that God wants us to evolve, our consciousness. Maybe it's also the reason he created sleep, for us to take a break from the physical world that we live in. God wants us to grow and develop our consciousness/minds. Immanuel here has a theory on achieving such a goal.
Actually I'm starting to believe that all the stories of the miracles performed by prophets are fake. They might have developed their consciousness and tried to teach other but changing the laws of the physical world is impossible.
Now this ofcourse is missing a huge part! Why would God want us to develop our consciousness? I truly have not come to the answer YET! But I will soon.
This is pretty much very similar to what Imannuel is preaching here on the forum.
It's like a game of survival of the fittest. This is a huge hint! We humans try our best to achieve physical/worldly desires but our spiritual side is always wanting something we can't really tell what it is. We have different religions and each religion preaches a different method with a totally different story and reason. They are all pretty much garbage when it comes to a real logical reason.
I feel I'm on to something. I will keep this updated.
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Post by Aviel on Aug 24, 2017 7:08:48 GMT
Rekkd, You are onto something Very Big!
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 24, 2017 7:53:16 GMT
There are some important points worth mentioning regarding what "God" is and it is nothing which you are used to. God is a union of combined beings, true beings and if you have a communion of God this is in fact ascended beings interacting with you, which are in tradition called angels or maleikat because of the ability of their level of existence.
God's purpose is none other than expansion. The depth of your conscious soul is a creation while the Earth is a diversion, a tool. This is why you tend to be called a child of God in some choices of words even though that translation is not perfectly accurate.
This is the Being of God's run to shape new life and true life is the "seedling" of God which does reach the full potential of God. Your soul is none other than a sort of seed of your Origin, an undeveloped soul in its developing stage.
It is good knowing the above, but the truth behind it is not exactly as simple as that, but it is a basic illustration. It does not have to do with father and sons and it is not about biology. There are no instinctive emotions involved and why God seems unemotional regarding the utter chaos of the world we reside within, because it is a "natural habitat" and our bodies are not considered in worth any different than the slaughtered animals and we are (in) an animal called Homo sapiens. Might seem cruel but it is it according to God's perspective.
Yet we are equipped with a pristine soul "seed" making us able to outwit the dangers surrounding us, including to avoid falling to the lowly level of accepting the nature of this animal body in which we reside. It is getting involved with the Earth's all businesses which causes us sorrow and pain. If we are concerned about having a distinct life on Earth and seeing us unsuccessful if we do not have what others have in terms of life, we are in one way or another in sorrow and pain. Even seemingly wealthy people are not happy it.
Your focus should be on what lies beyond that inside of your soul and developing the strength of your soul and the remedy you already know by my "preaching". You must use your mind and not the bodily instincts and not let such emotions affect you.
Continually I have tried to make you understand the whole scenario of the universe and I understand it is difficult to grasp.
You need to see it clinically. You are one of billions of "soul seeds" planted in a "development ground" which has difficulty of "cultivating" anything, because the outcome should be superior, one being which is very sturdy and hardened.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Aviel on Aug 24, 2017 9:57:53 GMT
If we are concerned about having a distinct life on Earth and seeing us unsuccessful if we do not have what others have in terms of life, we are in one way or another in sorrow and pain. Could You please elaborate on this line Immanuel? Very much appreciated, Thank You.
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 24, 2017 11:09:30 GMT
If we are concerned about having a distinct life on Earth and seeing us unsuccessful if we do not have what others have in terms of life, we are in one way or another in sorrow and pain. Could You please elaborate on this line Immanuel? Very much appreciated, Thank You. The typical human life is subconsciously something perceived as meaningless and it does not help with a daily grind. A search for meaning in life within the boundaries of this limited world leads to sorrow and pain because it is only illusionary happiness. This is often why people absorb themselves further into the daily vanities because then they can continue to live in that unknowing illusion. If one absorbs themselves in work or whatever it is they do then this is a way of escaping from that meaningless which they would realize if they only contemplated and tried not to escape from the thought. It is like mindlessly being led away from light which fades away and into darkness of perception and the darkness means they cannot see what is going on around them. All they have is a shady light which does not reveal exactly what they run into and they cannot see they are dealing with something flimsy and foul, and they fumble around not knowing what they are doing. It is then that these people need to go back to that light they turned away from. They only need to stop fooling around in the darkness and reflect for a moment to figure out where the light is and then rekindle it and keep it lit. Above is a Quranic parable, adapted and improvised a little to English storytelling. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 24, 2017 11:14:11 GMT
Not doubting your intelligence, but I can spoil the parable for you; the light is your inborn seed in the soul and which can fade but also be rekindled. You have to find where to light it up if you lost it, so you do not remain in the darkness and shiver and feint away.
And then we can go back to our friend Jesus and his saying: "You must find yourselves in order to find your Origin" (God). The answer is in yourselves and who you really are beyond the illusion of who you are.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by seeker on Sept 3, 2017 9:13:40 GMT
Hi Rekkd
I would like to join in on the discussion - I find it extremely fascinating.
In your statement you stated that
I agree with this - I feel that God set the evolution of the world in motion so that He doesn't need to monitor every aspect of the world or our lives. He doesn't send Hurricanes or Droughts to punish us this is just a by product of living in the world.
With regards to our consciousness I see that we have two parts, one that has separated from God and one that has not. It is the part of us that has not left God that we wish to reclaim. I agree with this statement as well, I just think that the Prophets and Messengers of the past had a greater understanding and abilities that made them appear to be able perform miracles.
And my answer to your question
I believe that God wants to reclaim the Separated - it was our choice to seperate from God and God wishes for us to return to Him/Her. This is God's Plan, but it's our choice whether or not we remain in this Separated state or whether we start our Journey back to God. And when we do start our Journey back we wish to share that we have learned with others and this happens naturally. God is not going to waste all our learning or development so He/She puts us to work serving those who are left behind - still living in corporeal life. That is what the Angels do, they are helping us to return to God and once we have given the gifts we were sent to give we will join the ranks of the Angels to help others.
There are many different paths that lead back to God, that is why there are so many different religions. Not everyone can follow the same path - what will work for one person won't necessarily work for someone else. All the religions of the world were initiated by God at different times in Humanity's development but they have all been altered and corrupted by humans. There are still pure elements within these religions but one would need to find a Wise Teacher to help you with your Journey back to God. This journey back to God is Mysterious, however, it cannot be explained, only experienced and that is why you need to prepare using to a program of development that you did not develop yourself - if you attempt to chart your own course you will only go in circles and won't get very far. The right preparation or finding the right Teacher is paramount.
Best Wishes Seeker
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Post by seeker on Sept 3, 2017 9:25:12 GMT
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 3, 2017 10:46:29 GMT
I do not agree with everything 'seeker' is telling and it is worth telling this does not reflect in its entirety what the 'Immanuel' project is teaching. However, much is yet helpful for any person. Iamthatiam.boards.net has no affiliation with www.newmessage.org and does not validate the standard religious "God" concept. On the other hand, this is a forum which was made with the thought of not suppressing voices or exercising censorship such as most other forums on the Internet who may kick people for challenging the dogma or the phenomenon "has no basis". However, this does not make the forum free of obligations or the possibility a post is met with criticism and it is recommended to use logic to peak ability here. What I wanted to highlight out of my own growing insight is that any person on their own hand can reach mental ascension and there is danger in believing you require a mentor. This does not mean that you cannot benefit from a very wise and knowledgeable person if there is one, but the mental processes should be your own. And if the person says anything beyond "I am to help you help yourself" then this person has another deluded agenda and may not be so wise after all. An insightful person is not like a parasite which seeks to feed on others or seek instinctive recognition like on a hierarchical ladder, to be clearly recognized and treated with great respect as a prophet for example. For example, my own job is mainly basically penetrating mental barriers, safe zones, undermining deluded faith systems and when a person lets go of their delusions then I have little else to tell them because there is little to tell about what must be done. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 3, 2017 10:56:13 GMT
Of course I can teach a whole great deal more, but the point is the minimum amount of crucial information is very little in order to move unto the "stairway of Heaven" and seek to climb it. It is usually the heavy backpack people carry with them in their respective deluded religions which makes climbing the stairway difficult and they never reach the top. They simply complicate things. It is better to climb the stairway lightly loaded and then before the time the body is growing too weary and old already be close to taking the final step.
If to use parables like this, the religious people tend to think they need a backpack and they load it with all sorts of junk and it makes their journey upstairs painful and slow.
Better just throw that backpack away and move on up. It will make concentration easier.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by rekkd on Sept 3, 2017 22:53:11 GMT
Hi Seeker,
You said "This journey back to God is Mysterious, however, it cannot be explained, only experienced and that is why you need to prepare using to a program of development that you did not develop yourself - if you attempt to chart your own course you will only go in circles and won't get very far. The right preparation or finding the right Teacher is paramount."
Honestly I totally disagree! Everything can be explained, if I don't understand it at some point at any stage of my development then I will never know if I'm going in the right path or not.
Also I disagree with having a teacher, everyone is capable of developing without one. This tends to make people slaves of their teacher, it's always better to seek different sources and try to understand by oneself. I also believe no human is better than me, thus I can surpass my mentors/teachers not just in this matter but everything. Unless that person can move a mountain infront of my eyes then I have no teacher in this world expect my life.
Also that website you shared is never a good source. Immanuel was right about one thing that i have implemented in my life. Never trust anyone looking to make a profit.. ok he didn't say it like that but that's what I believe now.
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Post by cerulean on Sept 4, 2017 10:27:02 GMT
Hi and welcome, I just noticed their website has a store, a donate button and a "subscribe to our newsletter and get a free ebook". (that's how every internet business works, and that website too with that carousel and everything, is used for selling stuff...) Basically they're trying to sell. That's the goal. I wouldn't expect too much from that place.
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 4, 2017 10:44:52 GMT
At least if one sells a physical book to cover expenses binding the book, the book should be available for free in e-book format.
I am not taking anything for whatever work I am committed to here. The work on Quran has taken countless hours, but I am not going to ask for a compensation.
My reward will eventually come to me and it will not be a reward of this world.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by rekkd on Sept 5, 2017 1:10:14 GMT
Everyone trying to make a profit will mislead one way or another, that's why people never achieve what they want by believing nonsense. I see it in everything not just religion-related things.
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Post by Immanuel on Sept 5, 2017 5:38:51 GMT
Based on observation of that website I can see the following instinct-succumbing:
1. Hierarchy 2. Materialism
8. Greed, to gain resources (money) in exchange for a book that God would offer for free 9. Carry false testimony, exaggerate, to gain advantage, e.g. make buying a book seem necessary
Anyone who makes instinctive violation seem that obvious is not very spiritually developed. 4/10 "commandments" broken by mere observation, as I do not know the person I cannot tell more, but there may be more points.
The doctrine itself of the website may seem plausible at a first glance and being ignorant and may very well lure many gullible poor people. There are however warning signs and the doctrine asks for a sect-like living and advocating a dubious background to existence. I studied the forum months ago and the leader is claiming to be a prophet and asks for unquestionable devotion to him and his doctrine, his message is a new message and so it seems God's message is changing in any way, but no; God's message has never changed and it is still the same challenging environment which is supposed to offer stimulus to shape potent beings with a deepened mental ability and mankind has two sides of the coin, one soul/mind and one body, and the body is the actual challenge in themselves and has the phenomenon often called Satan in religion and the formula in combating the body has been the same for millennia and it is the Decree of Moses, the Ten Directives. Your only real concern in life is managing to fend off the diminishing effects of the body so that the spirit seed of the soul can grow, this is the prerequisite in life and what causes the soul to develop. I cannot help you more than informing you about it and you can do this on your own with your willpower. It is you who are supposed to walk up the stairway of Heaven, not me. I can only give you the proper techniques and advice on things which prevent you.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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