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Post by need answers tired of lies on Oct 15, 2017 17:30:52 GMT
hi
I need to ask questions to trust me. Do you have any evidence? Proof of life after death? How does this system work?
Even if this makes sense, we must first agree that the most logical explanation must be the true one. But once again, it will be a real precondition if the one who created and maintains this reality has not created it for reasons other than logic.
Even video games created by people have checkpoints, manual backups, etc., if you make a mistake. However, in this video game, which we call life, there are no such things. Are people more merciful than God? This can not be true. Because God is the most merciful.
And you say that we must get rid of emotions, because God and the angels have no emotions. Well, does this mean that a person capable of empathy, love and compassion is more complex and more developed than God and the angels in this regard. What makes this person insensitive better than artificial intelligence, whose whole mission only reinforces mental abilities?
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 16, 2017 6:45:14 GMT
Hello anonymous,
Evidence of what? Evidence of a paranormal and supernatural existence beyond the visual foundation?
Unfortunately it is something which has to be experienced and this is because reality as we know it has been designed to impose an illusion on its subjects. Mental development can evolve the sense of consciousness and therefore provide circumstantial evidence. Much has to do with what is logically reasonable.
A testimony from a mind is less reliable as evidence than "hard physical evidence", but it does not mean a person's mental superiority is not a sign of elevation.
We can empirically test a hypothesis as the result of it can provide evidence because we can see the change is indeed taking place and we can draw logical conclusions from that.
From where do you bring the claim of "most merciful"? From Al-Raheem? AL is a prefix providing a grammatical indication a word is adjectival and/or provides an attribute to a subject or object. Raheem is tragically turned towards a meaning it does not have.
Continuing soon...
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 16, 2017 7:23:19 GMT
One is as merciful as one makes oneself. Without emotion there is no limitation of mercy and it is only the instinct which causes a limitation to that.
Being void of emotion does not mean a person is not empathic, caring and compassionate. This is why I tend to emphasize on the instinct as a subject than the more ambiguous emotion.
Emotion is the bodily reaction to its own instinctive stimulus and it should be kept distinct from actions triggered by mentally unbiased processes which is based on logic. I can care for a being because it is the most logical thing to do. I can be empathic towards a person because it is logical. The whole decision-making process should be solely based on logic, that means a person is mentally independent. If you are not, and are making choices due to the urges of the instinct you are predictable, dependent and emotional.
I can and am so bold as to say emotion is the root of evil in the world because emotions are enslaving to a weak mind and one who does not even try to resist emotions but rather embrace them, because "it feels good". That is the pleasure-oriented way of living and that is being a slave to God if anything. It does not have to be like that and a person has so much more potential.
When one lets that kind of living delude, then one defends it like a drug addict because it basically works the same way. It is not possible to know the alternative without daring to test it and if one holds preconceived ignorant ideas about it, this does not help either. You have no idea how it is to live with emotions suppressed and yet you speak in a critical way. Come back if you test it wholeheartedly and have some objection then. If you have an objection I am sure you did not apply the proper methods and did not allow sufficient time to elapse.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 16, 2017 10:52:18 GMT
No offense but there is no proof or evidence that any human will be alive after death.
I really respect the fact that you are giving a logical explanation to our existence in this reality. But can we agree that anything else like what happens after death is just guess work.
You don’t know, I don’t know and seems like no one knows and will never know. Only when we die well find out.
But science over and over shows that there can be NO consciousness without a physical brain.
And to believe that there is an experience after death, after your brain starts decaying, is nonsense.
I understand it is scary to admit
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 16, 2017 13:50:29 GMT
Since you cannot bring data from anywhere else here, you are right and I have not claimed it is possible. Even if you could and have seen another dimension, it is not possible to prove this to another person and it is not acceptable as evidence.
I prefer to work with logical probability. If you consider probability and contemplate thoroughly on our existence, it is actually more probable there is something supernatural to our existence, even if you cannot prove it with so-called "hard evidence".
Excuse me, but you have no clue about what I do know and have experienced.
I cannot see that science has proved anything related to the mind, they still know as little as they have done since the beginning of the age of science. When you speak of the human mind it is called psychology and much (most) is still unexplored territory.
I would say I am fairly educated and I have never seen or heard anything which would rule out that the human mind is something beyond the bodily.
If you reason with the very best logic possible, it is highly improbable that everything in the universe simply exists unless there is something supernatural to the existence. It is logical to assume there is something more and you cannot call a person who believes in this illogical. If this supernatural existence is true, then it is unlikely that you would exist without there being anything more to it.
I cannot admit to anything which is illogical to me and is not my reality. I believe in the mind and mental power, and my endeavors are meant to eventually empirically prove that what I am devoted to is leading to such mental superiority that it is possible to shine of evidence.
There is more to this world than meets the eye. It is illogical that we exist for no real purpose.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 16, 2017 14:05:32 GMT
Please Immanuel, please share your experiences regarding this. Because I do want to believe there is more than meets the eye. But I have no reason to.
Please share your experiences, please, if You are willing of course
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 16, 2017 14:14:49 GMT
Again, if you are willing of course,
Please share you experience regarding the supernatural. It might help someone who will stumble upon your words
Like you said, you did not claim to give “proof” as in physical proof. But please share your own experience regard this.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 16, 2017 15:55:15 GMT
I have experienced a little bit of this and that throughout my life and even experiences which could be considered "paranormal activity". Obviously this is nothing which I can playback for another person since you cannot connect the brain to technical equipment and extract data.
Among things I have experienced is an experience involving a strange light emitting from no particular source illuminating nothing either but just penetrating everything around me making my surroundings seem black and white basically. There was some kind of energetic discharge involved with the phenomenon which caused lamp bulbs to light up and phones to ring (old phone which would begin to ring if there is an electric current on it). I am critical enough to barely believe what I experienced except thinking I dreamed or hallucinated, but fuses were blown in the basement afterwards when I checked since the lamp in the room did not work, actually the lamp bulb was rather blackened.
I have no explanation to what happened to me until this day. I am sure there is a meaning and purpose to it, but it has eluded me. Whatever happened, it appears some manipulation of me occurred, but what I do not know. I seem to have fainted and woke up after several hours lying on my bed. I remember being frightened and moving across the house, with fading memory of what happened by each second of the phenomenon. The energetic discharge did center on me, but the light was equally everywhere.
Another phenomenon was when I met a woman who was possessed, you could say either psychotic or through paranormal means. However, she began to speak as if she was was another person to such authenticity I could not distinguish who spoke and also began to speak in a coherent but foreign language. There was nothing which indicated psychosis and the topic was consistent. It was as if another superior being assumed control and spoke verbally to me.
And I have personally had some sort of paranormal communication taking place including only myself.
I have lived my life with the mindset that "I want to believe", but I have been careful I am not imagining things and had a critical approach.
From what I have experienced, there are multiple elevated minds which could be perceived as the supernatural and there is no one distinct god in existence except them being as one Being, together. The typical God concept is flawed and inaccurate since what is God incorporates multiple persons, beings. We live as some sort of test subjects in a really harsh testing environment which is extremely sophisticated and difficult because as test subjects we are unaware of our true nature. It is our potential to become intelligent and 'Beings' which can save our way out.
It is meant that you cannot provide hard evidence to our current situation because one should become really mentally elevated to work out the reality in our minds and what is in our minds cannot be relayed to another. Part of the test is being smart enough to understand your are kind of imprisoned and the body is just an illusion even if appearing realistic to you.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 16, 2017 18:40:36 GMT
Actually, if speaking entirely hypothetically, I would rather take a chance of the truth being according to what I have told about a supernatural origin as it is still highly logical and plausible/reasonable than to just accept life as a random occurrence and there is no supernatural reality. To my share of logic, the probability of there being a supernatural phenomenon is higher than that our universe is simply being a coincidental phenomenon. This calculated probability is something which has followed me throughout my life, even before I had very strange happenings occurring to me and the belief is a logical conclusion. Even if I, who is 35 years old today, never even had encountered a paranormal phenomenon I would hold the same opinion as I do. I basically refuse to believe I just live in a coincidentally generated universe with no particular reason behind existence, things just "exist out of the blue" more or less, this is something which I consider so illogical it is ridiculous. No one can ridicule me into believing something else.
Ideas that I have are derived from mysterious ancient writings such as the horribly misinterpreted Quran, which beneath the surface reveals something that ultimately sounds very supernatural to me.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 16, 2017 19:03:44 GMT
Hello Again, Immanuel,
ok
Of course this universe with such structural things such as DNA, which is a 4 letter code, did not pop out and exist out of nothing. Of course an intelligence created all of this and sustains this reality.
Believing that this carefully measured and complex existence popped itself out of nothing would be very unintelligent.
However, one cannot imply that just because someone created this reality and makes it run, He must have created this for some reason. You know if you are powerful enough to create a reality shucks this and powerful enough to make it run, you could easily do it just for the heck of it. You know like some humans who have some lizard in their homes, or some fish in their quorum. Why do they have them? Are they developing them into superior beings? No. Maybe they just enjoy having a lower level being as their pet.
And now imagine, when you are so creative and powerful that you can create a sandbox like this world, with different beings inhabiting this artificial world going around in their circles, all interacting with each other creating this different story lines for the observer the creator to enjoy. Just like a person might enjoy having this one goldfish in his aquarium, sustaining this fishes life with some sea food, and just observing it, in its prison, the small aquarium, from where it cannot escape, and until its death just believe that there must be a meaning.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 16, 2017 20:23:31 GMT
You are ascribing pleasure-seeking behavior to someone or something you imply is more powerful/advanced than you and me.
The supernatural being we are talking about did create us with a very high potential to expand the mind and it did make the body our weakest link decelerating our ability to progress mentally, and in fact it did also make us deluded into thinking there is no supernatural phenomenon by concealing the supernatural reality from the visible foundation. For this reason it does attempt to test the intelligence of the beings partaking in the environment since the only way of finding out is to think enough and logically.
Basically you are ascribing instincts to the God phenomenon and in fact making it very primitive and call me arrogant or not but I then consider myself far more sophisticated and advanced. Why would someone keep meaningless pets which have no intellectual exchange accompanying them? Animals do have design perfections and other fascinating design traits, but they are not more useful than decoration or if they for a human are going to perform simpler tasks.
If we consider the God phenomenon created us for the same reason as animals, to run "simpler" tasks, then it is advisable to work on the abilities of the mind.
The universe, the features in it, they are a demonstration of the creative potential of who created it. For someone who can bend energy at will this is not a big deal and it is just a matter of creativity and the universe follows laws/programming just like a computer/video game, but with the exception of mankind's mind, for this phenomenon is different and the mind does have independent capability even if the body has involuntary driving involved with it which could be resisted with training of the willpower, which is basically our integrity as beings. In that regard, our mind reminds very much of the God phenomenon's own features, except that we cannot bend the energy of the universe at our own volition, or can we? Consider it conflicting interests and the inferiority of mind versus the opposing mind, i.e. God's. I know better however, and since I have a certain affiliation I can affect the "timeline", as I call it, unless the power against it is stronger than my own will.
The ancient belief of man being created in God's own image is correct, more namely our mind is, while the body is just an innocent animal, even although it may be genetically engineered for the purpose, acting as a host creature for our mind which can be perceived as a seed of God and is exactly what the Semitic word Nafs stands for (i.e. seed). The very word Nafs means something which grows, it is possible to trace what I told in etymology.
In all that, you are just a mere seed, not a finished being and that is which grows in this challenging environment, in a body called Homo sapiens and if you do well you are conceived/aspire as Adam which our race is also still called in some languages.
Your seed is all you should be concerned with throughout your life of the bodily and everything else is a distraction. Your integrity of Being is measuring how well your seed is doing and when your mind is working efficiently it is a sign of progress and that is all which is really you. Your body is just an innocent creature which you control through a kind of spiritual attachment to it and it wishes to live its own life, often conflicting with what you wish if you do not have its base desires, which no one would desire who has developed into understanding it is possible to be so much better. To identify yourself with the body and its urges is leading to lifelessness which is dependence and predictability.
The body has the phenomenon often called Satan and that is the actual autonomous drive of the body. It drives towards hierarchical alignment (social position), materialism, vanity, absorption, self/kin/group-preservation, domination, sex, greed, falsehood and jealousy, all traits of Homo sapient behavior. Multiple of those behaviors you ascribe to your God, making God just as primitive as that species of primate. Is that your God? It is the instinct of the body. The "Law" (decree) of Moses/Musa was designed to show these traits and show they should be counteracted. They are not exactly upheld to please some zealous god's sense of authority but upholding them does actually have a logical purpose since it is the only remedy in counteracting the deluding effects of the bodily.
Giving in to, and letting the body dominate you, is strongly detrimental to your mental growth and this both Musa and Eysua (Jesus) tried to show. It is implied when Eysua is saying one should not even look upon a woman with desire or one should not even be angry with a brother. Anger is the first sign on reinforcing instinctive behavior which ultimately would lead to domination and murder, but even when you are angry you are already activating the instinct and letting it dominate you. Even if you would be strong-minded enough to never murder someone, the activation of the instinct has already showed your unready condition as a being.
How you behave outwards in thinking and deed does reveal a whole lot about how complete you are. A person who takes pleasure in even one point in the decree lacks realization of self very much. A person who does not take pleasure in, but does sin because of incompleteness, is in a much better situation. If you reflect, you do probably commit sins in form of following the instinct sometimes or more probably quite often, voluntarily or involuntarily. One is not born perfect, but it is advisable to take steps in order to improve, however one has not to take all steps at once. A gradual progression is still progress, but every time one is ready for another step, the step should be taken.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 16, 2017 20:51:59 GMT
Furthermore, the whole plot I have told you is probably more fascinating than watching an aquarium. The one creating it does not even need to save anything afterwards, but like a worldly human would save precious pearls, the one creating it would probably save the best in the end which are most fascinating.
The storytelling and prophesied (predetermined) events are obviously adding intriguing elements.
If I was the one who we are talking about I would be most fascinated by specimens who go against the stream, choose their own way and challenge the authority of the body which wishes to make them do whatever they find no genuine pleasure in, and who impress me by developing a really sound, unique and complex mind despite the odds against them to do so. Additionally, if I had deliberately deluded my subjects on a very high level and actively taken part in the world to add disinformation/misguidance and my subjects still manage to figure out exactly what reality is supposed to be like, then I would like to keep them because I would consider them resourceful and potent beings.
This is exactly what the God phenomenon is doing here, throwing the most harsh challenges against the own creation containing the same potential as itself in order to filter out those who are still standing after the world has run havoc with them. Good or evil in a traditional sense does not exist except in the belief of people. Yet it is more beneficial and harmonious to keep oneself from distress and humans have a mind in order to avoid the unpleasant effects.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by boyy on Oct 22, 2017 23:31:42 GMT
If consciousness is separate from the brain everybody should be able to see their sleeping bodies and when they wake up back in their body they should be able to remember being outside their sleeping body but they don`t remember.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 23, 2017 4:50:41 GMT
If consciousness is separate from the brain everybody should be able to see their sleeping bodies and when they wake up back in their body they should be able to remember being outside their sleeping body but they don`t remember. Should and how it is are two different things. We are subjected to a binding with these bodies so the consciousness appears inside it for us, virtually all the time.
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