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Post by Ismael on Nov 23, 2017 1:34:56 GMT
(Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...)Dear Immanuel the leader of this movement, and dear Members of this forum You can call me Ismael, I'm here to discuss a very important matter, I'm here to discuss the reality of our existence and the reality of death. The teachings in this forum rely upon the idea that this life is not the real existence and that one must successfully die in order to graduate into another, "spiritual" existence, whatever the word spiritual is implying/describing I'm not sure, but my best guess would be that it is an existence without matter. But again how can something exist if it is not made of anything. However, the theory presented in this forum is only true and logical if the belief that there is life after death is true. And yes, I called it a belief. Because if we will be honest with each other, the truth of the matter is that there is zero evidence for life after death. Of course, there are two possibilities, either there is a life after death or there is no life after death. But the reality is such that in our case it is no better than gambling, because we don't know, and a person who says he is certain is lying to himself and to others because he doesn't know for certain. Consequently, when a person is certain that there is life after death and bases his deduction holding this belief as 100% truth it is very dangerous. Because as a consequence this person sees death as something positive rather negative. He sees death as a reward and not as the biggest tragedy that can happen to a person. It is like walking into a pitch dark tunnel, having no idea what is inside. What is even more dangerous is when this person brings other people into this dark tunnel with him. And I do not blame you Immanuel for this nor do I blame others. It is all due to the fact that death is glamourized in human culture. We, humans, tend to create coping mechanisms to not face our fears and dark parts of reality. Death was and is a terrifying subject for humans. Losing our closest ones, our parents, our children, friends and the possibility of losing ourselves forever. It is no wonder that humans from different parts of the world created religions and myths to make death a more appealing part of reality. Because if a person ceases to exist, it does not matter for how long He/She lived, His/her life will be pointless. It is like having a long complex mathematical equation which in the end equals to 0. It is utterly meaningless. When one dies, all the things that made this person a being, his personal tastes, his achievements, his knowledge, his wisdom and etc. it is all gone. WHAT WOULD BE MORE RATIONAL WAY OF THINKING, is realizing that we know for certain that we are alive NOW, and that it would be in our best utmost interest to do our best at staying alive as long as we can, the ultimate goal being reaching immortality. The reality is that the people who have died, are the truest losers. The fact that we are alive is a big win against the odds in itself. From all the spermatozoids, You were the one who entered your mother's egg. You are now here, you exist, hurray! That's the first step. If that spermatozoid was not fighting and trying his best, would you be now here? Be You? From generations to generations our ancestors were passing along the torch, trying their best to survive, to not die, they created us and now we are here. We as conscious and alive persons need to do our best to put a stop to death. If we humans actually put our utmost effort into this most important matter, instead of spending so much energy, time and money to vanity and meaningless competition amongst each other, we would higher our chances in achieving immortality. Immanuel, You are a very wise and intelligent person, and this world needs someone like You to live forever. Gambling you away and letting you die would be a tragedy for us and for You. Because gambling such person as You would be not intellignet.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 23, 2017 15:32:40 GMT
Hello Ismael, Welcome to this forum. I can see that you may have some misconceptions based on what you read and this appears fairly common among people, and given the esoteric nature of the teachings this is understandable and I do not rebuke you. It may be a combination of me formulating myself poorly, your hasty judgment and it simply being difficult to understand. It is necessary to go to the highest possible level of reasoning in order to process the information found and often contemplate upon that which has nothing but ambiguous signs of evidence. Like you argue yourself, there is no solid evidence of an existence beyond this universe which can be observed and studied empirically through matter itself and the evidence must come through abstract means, which is not acceptable in human scientific terms, but that does not mean it cannot be true and there are myriad ways of discovering logical arguments for a supernatural origin of certain features. And actually, there are enough logical assumptions to be made to base a strong hypothesis that there is something else to this universe than meets the eye, despite that human science does not allow this because while trying to remain objective it fails to do so, because it goes to obsession to such extent the search for physical explanations go overboard and it becomes illogical. The saying: "Just because you cannot see something does not mean it does not exist" is quite usable here. How can you discover something which has no physical mass and cannot be visually observed? Unless the phenomenon causes a visual anomaly in the spatial environment, it is not possible to study it objectively per standard human terminology, and for most of the time the supernatural origin lets this physical reality to run as if nothing else exists beyond it. This is an intentional illusion and made in order to provide an unbiased testing of the specimens involved, since it is the actual intellect of each being which is interesting to them, those we originate from. Nevertheless, through intelligence, sound reasoning and logic, it is possible to reason yourself towards the conclusion there has to be more than meets the eye and you do not even need to empirically and visually observe it through your senses, but the logical conclusion in your mind is sufficient. Your reality is possible to be worked out inside of your mind itself with no external stimuli, if your mind evolves into the sharpness of its origin and is unclouded from the bodily influence and can thus work independently. When everything points towards a kind of illusion and the illusion is meant for the subject to work out by themselves then it is clear that the faculty of intelligence is in focus and that is important to focus on. The question is: "What is true intelligence?", is it the possibility to gather data/knowledge and be skilled at human sciences and activities, or is intelligence to have a strong independent mind, a firm Being, which can operate uninfluenced by things which forcefully seeks to influence them through the instinct. Obviously, the growing of the mind leads to an easier time collecting knowledge and interacting with the world intellectually, but it is not the only prerequisite in measuring intelligence. An apparently educated person is not necessarily intelligent on a higher level because their mind may still be shallow and deluded and despite an ease at gathering knowledge, the usage of the knowledge is only half-witted. Especially if you see seemingly intelligent and educated people indulge in instinctive behavior a'la the Ten Parameters of instincts, then you know their mind is not as evolved as one may think and their intelligence is just an illusion based on the species of Homo sapiens' ability to store data in the brain, and this does not equal to a strong mind and true intelligence. Anyone who does pursue worldly gains is not as evolved as it may seem and their intelligence is false, the intelligence is only on a bodily level. Being separated from the instinct and the bodily, and able to operate independently is true intelligence and that shows of control and strong willpower of the mind. Intelligence and integrity of Being is measured through: 1. Willpower 2. Judgment 3. Logic 4. Resistance towards influence of emotions originating from the body's instinct (albeit highly related to willpower) Knowing a lot of information is meaningless if you do not have the mental ability to handle the information in a witted way. It is good to be knowledgeable about things, but equally important it is to be able to reason on a higher level, alike what I am arguing above about abstract thinking, something which ordinary humans tend to fail at and many people do not even recognize psychology as science as something except quasi-science, because their narrow minds cannot accept you have to think on a more abstract level. People treat the human in objective terms as if it functions like an object including the mind and seek explanations based on that and do not acknowledge that the mind is something more than mere electrical signals from biological tissue. Mankind does not even understand how the brain stores information and have some pathetic theories regarding it or how the seemingly powerful mind can be projected from that pile of flesh. Truth is the brain and hormonal fluids and electric impulses act in response to the mind rather than the opposite, if the brain can influence the mind, because it is physically damaged somehow, it means the mind was weak to begin with and is just like a slave to it. Humans are unique consciousnesses and it is projected from somewhere like another dimension and under the illusion a human being is located within one of these bodies. The human body is like a machine and it can malfunction and refuse "user input" if the interface (brain) is damaged, but that does not mean the mind behind it is nonexistent and not a standalone organism. The teachings in this forum rely upon the idea that this life is not the real existence and that one must successfully die in order to graduate into another, "spiritual" existence, whatever the word spiritual is implying/describing I'm not sure, but my best guess would be that it is an existence without matter. But again how can something exist if it is not made of anything. That is a problem emerging due to presumptuous reasoning based on a narrow perception and insufficient logical reflection. It is based on that unless something is made of physical matter, it cannot exist, but even physical matter is projected from some mysterious raw energy as human's Quantum Mechanics has begun to unravel and scientists cannot make out how but only observe it merely exists, i.e. it exists seemingly unconditionally and that is against the common human logic upon the physical reality. Why would not the human consciousness be able to exist beyond matter then, hypothetically? I mean, what if the human mind is only like an illusion in attribution to the projected body from the energetic origin? It is similar to how the electric signals within a computer project an artificial world which is seemingly "realistic" to exist while it is not, and then our reality is simply a more realistic projection than that computer game world. It is dangerous to reach a hasted judgment when you have not considered every factor there is including the more abstract ones and finding a purely logical explanation to things which does not necessarily have to be limited by the immediately physical reality. The power of logic is that you can find something substituting evidence through deductive reasoning and deep analysis, if you are just ready to look beyond what your eyes can see, because just because your eyes cannot see something does not mean it does not exist, it may be because you simply cannot perceive it due to an unknown limitation of the perception. Then reasoning with the help of your mind is the key into finding a purpose for why you exist and you can make out a whole great deal through abstractly processing information in it and you do not even need physical evidence. Physical evidence is overestimated when advanced logical reasoning can conclude something which substitutes it. When there is no apparent purpose of existence it seems awfully redundant and a waste of an existence basically. It is possible to make up myriad excuses to talk that away, but what really makes sense then? Or there is a purpose for the existence, but you are simply hidden from the agenda because the purpose is providing stimulus and testing subjects on their ability to operate and the potential of their mental faculties. What is not the best than to leave a subject completely deluded and confused within an illusive world and see what happens, if you wish to test their independence of that mind and how it will face problems. It is not an excuse that you have not been provided with information because you have something really powerful and that is your mind which is like an innate "seed" of your origin's image. The belief a God will guide you is only deluded because evidently you have been left here unattended most of the time and how you fare is up to yourself, you must realize yourself. You can call our existence and the world we live in something like an experiment even if it is not. There is a purpose of leaving every subject on Earth and that is to test how each mind will develop under immense stimuli while the mind's origin makes it have a great potential and it can evolve greatly and be very independently in existence without suffering from the autonomous driving the body tries to force upon them. Conclusion is you make yourself into what you are going to be and you started as a blank (cloned) soul with the same potential as the one you came from, you can be an independent Being. However, the theory presented in this forum is only true and logical if the belief that there is life after death is true. And yes, I called it a belief. Because if we will be honest with each other, the truth of the matter is that there is zero evidence for life after death. Of course, there are two possibilities, either there is a life after death or there is no life after death. Everything is actually based on belief, even our very existence as solid beings, but you may believe in it so strongly because it is what you are so fed through your senses, however that does not necessarily mean it is limited to that. The projected reality, our world, is an intentional illusion and it is as if you were unknowingly placed in the most realistic virtual reality and fooled into believing it is your real reality. There is difference between evidence and evidence. If you are looking for physical evidence, it is correct that there is no physical evidence of such that you discuss, but it is possible to substitute physical evidence with an advanced logical analysis and reach sophisticated conclusions based on it and which although in human terms is mere belief, is the more logical belief. One should not underestimate the thinking power of the mind and ability to delve into the abstract and find answers. To try to find answers in the physical world is as revealing as if you were to try to try to find answers in "the building stones" (code) of a computer game and if you anyways seek answers there you should delve into Quantum Mechanics and think abstractly about where the apparent projection the energetic source come from which simply seems to exist unconditionally. Purely from a logical perspective, evidence/indications clearly point towards a supernatural existence beyond the material world, but it is up to the controller of it for you to exist beyond it and not restrained in it, or even for you to be eternally annihilated. If your consciousness is left intact instead of discarded, it is possible for you to remain after your body is deceased, it is as in a computer game and a computer, if the game as a save function for the avatar's features, which is clearly very probable. Question is, are you worth saving? That is what it is about, if you are worth saving or if you did not develop any unique character at all but were no more than an NPC*. * An NPC means Non-Playing Character and refers in game terms to a character which is not being played by an independent consciousness (a human player) and only follows a certain programming. If there is a supernatural explanation to our existence and the world, then apparently this creative force can also "backup" the consciousness of one sole individual who lives in it and let it exist to us seemingly unconditionally because our grasp of the true nature of things is quite limited to say the least. Those who cannot think beyond the bodily, must believe the person must be reanimated bodily in order to live again, but is that so? Can the consciousness exist within the mysterious energy (as researched by Quantum Mechanics) which projects this world as we know it? Through logic it ought to be probable and why not? The physical form the energy takes is no more than a visual illusion and so why cannot the information once visible form be hidden yet in existence still beyond our sensory perception? Humans know so little besides what is observed in Quantum Mechanics yet presume so much about their perceived reality and many believe so confidently that an alternative existence based on "mysterious energy" is impossible, yet a simple logical analysis clearly indicates our existence cannot be real without an underlying innate intelligence in the universe to guide things forward in evolution. This leaves the question why it is so hard to believe in the abstract, even when there is an overwhelming amount of something substituting physical evidence. That could be regarded as evidence, but humans refuse anything which is not strictly physical evidence and so they remain in delusion. You cannot find answers without thinking beyond the physical reality because there is more than meets the eye, but people refuse to believe in it. There is a difference between blind faith or belief and founded belief based on careful analysis and the methods used by logic in order to accurately infer knowledge even when the so-called physical evidence is not there. Blind faith is what religious people believe in and they rarely use logic in reflecting upon reality and it is usually biased by bodily influence and their gods are usually just an image of themselves. It is important to see and not underestimate the power of a logical assumption based on sound reasoning and what irrefutable conclusions can be made from it. The closest humans have come into the answers of their existence physically is the scientific branch called Quantum Mechanics (sometimes also Quantum Physics) and yet because they are to physical they cannot be entirely objective in their reasoning and that science clearly reveals the physical reality is just projected from some mysterious phenomenon resembling energy. Beyond that, it is required to use logic and deductive reasoning for you will not receive any further physical evidence than that the universe is only a projection from some mysterious energy. However, there is one more physical evidence and that is the design of the world itself and how the heck the world could know how to design itself, do the cells have an innate intelligence giving a sense of beauty? This is strong evidence that there is at least some sort of "background intelligence" to our world and a strong lead. And furthermore, how could the universe come into existence initiating itself without any initiator. There are so many questions and yet people refuse to believe in the supernatural. But the reality is such that in our case it is no better than gambling, because we don't know, and a person who says he is certain is lying to himself and to others because he doesn't know for certain. Consequently, when a person is certain that there is life after death and bases his deduction holding this belief as 100% truth it is very dangerous. Because as a consequence this person sees death as something positive rather negative. He sees death as a reward and not as the biggest tragedy that can happen to a person. It is like walking into a pitch dark tunnel, having no idea what is inside. What is even more dangerous is when this person brings other people into this dark tunnel with him. Your assumption is not entirely correct. A person would not be required to lie in order to say they know for certain, but they cannot provide more so-called physical evidence than I discussed above. Per linguistic definition, lying is when a person does deliberately tell something untrue in order to deceive. Death is not so bad when you are not deluded into finding some meaningless meaning in this world and are not driven by the bodily stimuli, but knowing the truth behind existence it may be unwise to hasten death. However dreading death is something vain and shows of ignorance. I am personally not at all afraid of dying and I look forward towards when it is my time, but I do nothing in order to hasten death and I keep my body in good shape, for there is nothing rational nor logical in acting destructively towards it. Why would dying be a tragedy when the body is anyways constructed in such a way it is to die eventually. I am however not very focused on dying in this forum and it is more about coming alive and growing the mind and dying is just a potential opportunity to leave the bodily. Please do not confuse my concept with the misconceptions based on religious faiths. Furthermore, I would say holding the belief of something supernatural beyond the apparent physical reality is more than mere gambling and it is possible to investigate it on an abstract level of reasoning and understanding that among various beliefs it is more sound to believe there is more to it than meets the eye, and by "cultivating" the mind means you will explore more aspects of your mind than what you knew previously and the deepened strength of your mind will make you have something of a "sixth sense", which is more of having enabled the "higher functions" of the mind than something paranormal in a traditional sense. This "sixth sense" enabling increases your consciousness greatly and is as if you had one "sixth" sense. In truth what I mean of a "sixth sense" is that you have access to the potential of the mind and are exploring and developing it. What I am trying to say is that mental growth will make it easier to reason logically. And I do not blame you Immanuel for this nor do I blame others. It is all due to the fact that death is glamourized in human culture. We, humans, tend to create coping mechanisms to not face our fears and dark parts of reality. Death was and is a terrifying subject for humans. Losing our closest ones, our parents, our children, friends and the possibility of losing ourselves forever. It is no wonder that humans from different parts of the world created religions and myths to make death a more appealing part of reality. I assure you, for me it is not a coping mechanism and is is more to base something upon rationality. The bodily death is the death of it alright and the question is what I have to lose? Why gain something I am anyways going to lose? Then it goes down to mere primitive pleasure-seeking and the joy of that. Because if a person ceases to exist, it does not matter for how long He/She lived, His/her life will be pointless. It is like having a long complex mathematical equation which in the end equals to 0. It is utterly meaningless. When one dies, all the things that made this person a being, his personal tastes, his achievements, his knowledge, his wisdom and etc. it is all gone. Yes, the more a reason with this belief to immediately commit suicide. Only the delusion of the hormonal fluids keep the person alive and seeking primitive pleasure in a sort of nightmare/curse with no end and if they have an imbalance and lack of the fluids then they become depressed because there is no other motivation to live. The question is, is that the way the truth is or is it only an imposed illusion? WHAT WOULD BE MORE RATIONAL WAY OF THINKING, is realizing that we know for certain that we are alive NOW, and that it would be in our best utmost interest to do our best at staying alive as long as we can, the ultimate goal being reaching immortality. Okay, so that is your idea, genetic manipulation of the human DNA in order to surgically alter it to remove the aging process, or am I misinterpreting your point? If that was your idea, then I am certain it will be impossible due to the "background intelligence" to our universe or the attempt at tampering will trigger some unpleasant side effects, but I think the alteration will not be allowed and therefore impossible. You are right that you know we are alive right now and should make the best out of it. But the question, what is making the best out of it? Immortality in your current body is probably going to be unattainable and you logically know for certain that your body will eventually wither and die. Would you take the worldly way and indulge for as long as you can, for whatever vain reason there is for this? Or are you going to sacrifice all the pleasures and focus on the belief that there is something more to the consciousness and the mind? If taking more logical conclusions into consideration, like those I revealed above, the wisest choice is the latter. Perhaps there is life in the life, so to say. What is the real life? What if you experience another state of living if you set the bodily cravings aside? Will that then be a waste of your life then, because you did not take the opportunity in indulging while it lasted physically? The reality is that the people who have died, are the truest losers. The fact that we are alive is a big win against the odds in itself. From all the spermatozoids, You were the one who entered your mother's egg. You are now here, you exist, hurray! That's the first step. If that spermatozoid was not fighting and trying his best, would you be now here? Be You? Whose death are you talking about? If you do not believe in a life beyond death, then everyone is a loser who dies and immortality is likely impossible and even if it would theoretically possible given the right conditions people have been losers for millennia, and even then is one not a loser who lives trapped in this world confined to this primitive body which does nothing except drives one to animal behavior. In a way you are right however, it is about coming to life and remaining like that even through an illusive death, because your consciousness sustains itself as a Being not on material level, it has thus ascended. Then if the illusive body visibly dies to others is not an issue, the body was just an host to your mind and you were freed to "pure energy" form and part of a universal symbiosis. From generations to generations our ancestors were passing along the torch, trying their best to survive, to not die, they created us and now we are here. We as conscious and alive persons need to do our best to put a stop to death. If we humans actually put our utmost effort into this most important matter, instead of spending so much energy, time and money to vanity and meaningless competition amongst each other, we would higher our chances in achieving immortality. Immanuel, You are a very wise and intelligent person, and this world needs someone like You to live forever. Gambling you away and letting you die would be a tragedy for us and for You. Because gambling such person as You would be not intellignet. Even when I am gone I will still be there, but you seem to think a physical death of the body means the end of the mind. I am destined to live physically for as long as I am needed or need it myself, but my true purpose is ethereal, just as anyone else who is with understanding. It is correct that, through shunning energy, time, money on vanity, we would have a higher chance of achieving immortality because then we can focus more of the efforts on our mind and making its condition totally complete as a Being and reach certain criteria set for our development. I can admit I am uncertain what is the minimum requirements in order to ascend away from this and therefore I prefer not taking any chances here on Earth and I prefer to make a so strong impression on the 'Elohim/Allahem' unity as possible rather than chance-taking. Unless we realize ourselves as Beings, it is like "rinse and repeat" in case our body dies and we are just placed in new hosts, anew to be deluded by our bodily reality from our true nature. Simultaneously, it is only fair that we have multiple opportunities given the harsh illusion this world imposes on us and the new body gives us a new unbiased character's chance of discovering the truth and exploring the mind, instead of the old one which got corrupted and too deluded in its own projection of the Earth. Meanwhile, 'Elohim/Allahem' is offering silent guidance through means like this, on this forum and the revelation of a milestone called 'the Manifestion' which is supposed to reveal everything black on white upon the nature of our existence and this is exactly what this forum does manifestly. The previous one's were called 'the Ignition' and 'the Elaboration'. 'The Manifestation is supposed to be the last one of three and marks the final phase of mankind's existence of trial, so 1/3 of the testing period is hence over. It was most commendable to have made your way out when everything was just revealed as 'the Ignition' and only a very select group did too (of which I am not part of). The second milestone was 'the Elaboration' and it occurred approximately 2000 years ago and that is marked by the "Christianization" era which hinted towards the reason behind the old Law of Ten and the nature of the phenomenon called God, but most people misinterpreted the whole coming of him (Jesus) and exclusively perceived him as God instead instead of understanding he showed a way to be God. The third milestone was around the year of 2000 A.D. and includes the 'Information Age', everything is very manifest and information is plentiful and so all the necessary material for thinking to take into consideration when seeking answers to your existence is there and you only need to use sound judgment and logic while suppressing the instinct in order to get the answers you seek. The first milestone was revealed about 2000 BC, so it has been about 4000 years of development prior to 'the Ignition' and even prior to that there was a period of no available information for about 2000 years, so that makes it 6000 years. This is not to be confused with the appearance of Homo sapiens on Earth which stretches way further back in history than 6000 years, but we are talking about the biologically engineered species through a guided evolution process and as minds were attached to it and it began to dominate the Earth in its crudeness, undeveloped. This is like a monitored experimental process taking place over thousands of our years in order to see results in the subjects and every now and then more stimuli was added in forms of those classic revelations virtually everyone knows about but have no clue about their true purpose. It was actually more than "uphold this as it is a Law". The wise one was trying to understand why it should be upheld and this is what people like Jesus gave hints to. And I am giving a blunt answer; it is in order to be in control over the bodily instinct of Homo sapiens, that is the meaning of giving a 'Manifest' answer. Nowadays when you know the meaning of that, what is important in yourself is reflecting on what your body does to you of instinctive behavior. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by rekkd on Dec 2, 2017 21:35:14 GMT
Very well written answer Immanuel. Honestly if I die and become “nothing” I wouldn’t be that bothered, however, one thing I’d like to do before that is raise my middle finger to who ever created this world before I’m gone. Reminds me of the movie “The Devil’s Advocate” where Al Pacino said: “Who are you carrying all those bricks for anyway? God? Is that it? God? Well, I tell you. Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does he do, I swear, for his own amusement, his own private cosmic gag reel? He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. "Look, but don't touch." "Touch, but don't taste." "Taste, don't swallow." And while you're jumping from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughing his sick, f***ing ass off! He's a tight-ass, he's a sadist, he's an absentee landlord! Worship that? Never!” Now I know it’s not about worship but self development. Still this world is really terrible and unfair, I’m no longer looking forward to the afterlife. I was even thinking of committing suicide by the age of 40 if I’m not in a wealthy state in this world, it’s useless fighting if I’m not in a comfortable condition and suffering just to survive. I see all these homeless and broken people on the streets and it kills me inside. Imagining myself in their position, I see no reason to live. If I reincarnate then hell! It’s better than this shit. If I’ll cease to exist, still better than this shit. If I’ll burn in Hell, well then Im screwed but whatever I’m willing to risk it. I can’t imagine my life without my parents and they are growing old each day. He gives us parents and people to love and love us in return, then takes them away. It’s a cruel joke really and no matter what you say about fighting the instincts it just not possible. Immanuel you said you have a son, imagine if you one day lose him to death. How would you honestly feel? Would you go by your day without dropping a single tear? Would you not care because it’s all about having control over your instincts and he’s just another person? Wouldn’t your emotions take over? Sadness? Anger and depression? Give me an honest answer
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 3, 2017 15:10:32 GMT
Very well written answer Immanuel. Honestly if I die and become “nothing” I wouldn’t be that bothered, however, one thing I’d like to do before that is raise my middle finger to who ever created this world before I’m gone. Reminds me of the movie “The Devil’s Advocate” where Al Pacino said: “Who are you carrying all those bricks for anyway? God? Is that it? God? Well, I tell you. Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does he do, I swear, for his own amusement, his own private cosmic gag reel? He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. "Look, but don't touch." "Touch, but don't taste." "Taste, don't swallow." And while you're jumping from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughing his sick, f***ing ass off! He's a tight-ass, he's a sadist, he's an absentee landlord! Worship that? Never!” The version projected there by 'the Devil's Advocate' is not true, but I can admit it is acceptable as humor. In that version it seems as existence has no other purpose except for God's amusement, which is wrong and there is a deeper explanation than that. Although I know you were merely gesturing at the ironic in our little world. Now I know it’s not about worship but self development. Still this world is really terrible and unfair, I’m no longer looking forward to the afterlife. I was even thinking of committing suicide by the age of 40 if I’m not in a wealthy state in this world, it’s useless fighting if I’m not in a comfortable condition and suffering just to survive. I see all these homeless and broken people on the streets and it kills me inside. Imagining myself in their position, I see no reason to live. Why are you not looking forward to an afterlife? I'll continue replying later. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by maveli on Dec 3, 2017 16:22:11 GMT
Now I know it’s not about worship but self development. Still this world is really terrible and unfair, I’m no longer looking forward to the afterlife. I was even thinking of committing suicide by the age of 40 if I’m not in a wealthy state in this world, it’s useless fighting if I’m not in a comfortable condition and suffering just to survive. I see all these homeless and broken people on the streets and it kills me inside. Imagining myself in their position, I see no reason to live. Hello rekkd, I have read your post and wanted to ask you, what do you mean by being in the wealthy state? Are you dissatisfied with your current life and want to achieve more? But regardless if you will be able to achive your material wishes, once you are gone, everything is gone, except your own personal experience which will influence your afterlife. Yes, life is unfair and not everyone has equal possibilities and also everyone has different 'starting conditions'. One who is born healthy and into a rich family will not experience the same as someone born in South Africa or someone with Down syndrome. But in the end, if you had everything you wanted by now, would you, in turn, try to give it all up just for a humble life just for the sake of information you now own or would you enjoy your wealthy state until the end? I am asking this because I had quite similar views a year or so before and I used to change my life to the better in material way. But in the end it all does not matter and I found myself unsatisfied even after the change so I moved to a purpose of life which I find more fruitful, which is contemplation and finding my inner self. Even my work which I used to love now is often annoying to me, and not everything about this is good, since I have to follow the schedule. I also believe that suffering as opposite to the state of comfort is more fruitful for you because in this state you learn how to find 'peace' with yourself, and it is only possible when a struggle is on. If you are raised in the comfort and now try to live in the comfort zone you only see how the world goes by and most people do just that. But what does trigger you personal state of comfort? Is it material only? If it is, don't you think you will get back to being miserable again once you lose something that you achieved? So in the end it won't satisfy you or you will want more, but won't be able to achive more, as an example, which will get you miserable again.
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 3, 2017 20:04:00 GMT
It is this attachment you have to get away from. It takes some development of yourself and determination. Usually, those you love are not as conscious as you want to make it look like, even if you pretend to yourself that is the case. As you progress mentally it may be grievous to your mind to realize how forsaken your acquaintances are, while you may have believed they were full of life and even kind of role models before. This is a heavy paradigm shift for your mind and may be emotionally disturbing, and you have to get past that.
In your acquaintances is that undeveloped seed of theirs and they are somewhere deep within individuals albeit immature as minds. If they die, they are not gone as in ceasing to exist and all you miss is their presence, so with a little emotional detachment and insight, there is no reason to suffer tremendously upon a loss. The solitude may hurt, but it is no disaster if you think about it.
It is about sentimentality and it is good not to become absorbed by that.
I will address your next paragraph in a subsequent post. Fragmenting it due to posting on smartphone.
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 3, 2017 21:31:53 GMT
I would probably not be "without dropping a single tear", but I would not show much emotional imbalance and probably handle the loss fairly well. If my wife is with me, I assume much of my care would go to sustaining her and being concerned about her grief, as she is not as emotionally detached as I am. As for the son, if he is dead, I would not have to pity bodily suffering and there is nothing to be tragically saddened about except my own vain sentimentality and abandonment from him.
As for thinking "just another person", this is nothing I do for anyone and since I am more detached than most from the fifth line of the Law, of "self-preservation of self and kin", I can feel for most people even those whose misguided life led them into wrongdoing. This is also because I have understood the teaching of Jesus and applied it to my life.
There are things which readers of my utterances have to realize, which they may misconceive, and that is your person, your mind, should be full of life and it may hold its own set of mental experiences or thought events which may be similar to emotions but not equal. It is not a sin, or weakness, to hold a pitiful thought about something and to grieve mentally due to the objective observation, but it should be done with bodily detachment, the body and instinct should not affect the thought patterns and make you behave irrationally and with maximum logic.
Nevertheless, from an objective perspective, my son's hypothetical death would mean the loss of some meaning I have built around my life and collected memories. Here it depends on how vain I am and how much meaningful my life is to me and how much I love it, and I do as you may know not hold on very dearly to this world.
I may appear heartless in the way I reason and this is because people have difficulties knowing me properly and knowing about the more intricate parts of existence.
Suffice to say with certainty, I would not become depressed and I would not allow myself to become angry if there was any reason for this. I am confined to the body I am in for now and so I have to struggle with it just like others, but I have developed a mind which can put up some resistance to it and which helps further development too. When others lose control I can maintain it and keep rational thought patterns and so retain objectivity. What makes humans lose their objectivity is the body and its instincts.
I do regard my son as an individual and so I obviously care about what becomes of him and it does hence affect me if he dies prematurely for some reason, but it is not devastating.
Honestly, if my son was progressing and died while in a state of evolution of the mind, I would not grieve his death and there is no objective reason to grieve deaths. If he died right now, I would not know very well and suffer due to lack of knowledge, but yet again there is nothing I can do about it and my grief will not bring him back.
So in the end, it is about what is most logical to do. Grief provides no result and so it changes nothing. Holding unto logic helps a lot, but it must be done in conjunction with bodily detachment because this is what prevents one from seeing the right logic in everything. There is only one logic and it only takes gaining more knowledge and being reasonable about what is known and analyze much, much contemplation.
Be well Qarael Anurak Amenuel
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Post by rekkd on Dec 8, 2017 5:51:36 GMT
Now I know it’s not about worship but self development. Still this world is really terrible and unfair, I’m no longer looking forward to the afterlife. I was even thinking of committing suicide by the age of 40 if I’m not in a wealthy state in this world, it’s useless fighting if I’m not in a comfortable condition and suffering just to survive. I see all these homeless and broken people on the streets and it kills me inside. Imagining myself in their position, I see no reason to live. Hello rekkd, I have read your post and wanted to ask you, what do you mean by being in the wealthy state? Are you dissatisfied with your current life and want to achieve more? But regardless if you will be able to achive your material wishes, once you are gone, everything is gone, except your own personal experience which will influence your afterlife. Yes, life is unfair and not everyone has equal possibilities and also everyone has different 'starting conditions'. One who is born healthy and into a rich family will not experience the same as someone born in South Africa or someone with Down syndrome. But in the end, if you had everything you wanted by now, would you, in turn, try to give it all up just for a humble life just for the sake of information you now own or would you enjoy your wealthy state until the end? I am asking this because I had quite similar views a year or so before and I used to change my life to the better in material way. But in the end it all does not matter and I found myself unsatisfied even after the change so I moved to a purpose of life which I find more fruitful, which is contemplation and finding my inner self. Even my work which I used to love now is often annoying to me, and not everything about this is good, since I have to follow the schedule. I also believe that suffering as opposite to the state of comfort is more fruitful for you because in this state you learn how to find 'peace' with yourself, and it is only possible when a struggle is on. If you are raised in the comfort and now try to live in the comfort zone you only see how the world goes by and most people do just that. But what does trigger you personal state of comfort? Is it material only? If it is, don't you think you will get back to being miserable again once you lose something that you achieved? So in the end it won't satisfy you or you will want more, but won't be able to achive more, as an example, which will get you miserable again. Hey, thanks for replying to my post. What I mean by wealth is having billions in my bank account. I’d rather live this life developing my “Spirit” and figuring out my purpose in a mansion than on the streets. I understand it’s all meaningless but still doesn’t make sense to suffer more than how we’re suffering just living this life. I have no passion or love for anything material in this world. I never wanted to work a specific profession or create anything or do something that made me happy. I truly don’t believe in real happiness, however, one thing I want to achieve before I die is help young men around the world. Not because I care about every young man alive but because I see myself in others, I feel people’s pain and sorrows. It makes me feel better by helping them, as if I’m rewriting my own history. Some people deserve the world but they were born into this world at a disadvantage or grew up under the wrong circumstances. By 40 if I have not become atleast a millionaire, I will commit suicide as there wont be any reason to live anymore. The only reason that drives me to push forward is my parents, I’ve always wanted to make my father proud, something I have failed to do till now! He’s getting old with heart problems and just imagining anything happening to him, I have no idea how I’ll continue. This world is evil, God or the Creator made us as a punishment. It actually makes more sense than development, we as humans don’t deserve salvation. Look at what they did to Jesus, look at what’s happening in Palestine, Syria, Burma, Iraq, etc... Even the streets of developed countries some are making over 200k dollars a year and other cant even find a warm place to sleep. No one is even helping them, and if they do, they throw them a 2 dollar change to feel like they’ve done their part. I was the nicest human being ever and this world and the people around me abused that. I’m not feeling sorry for myself or want anyone to feel bad for me. I’m just sharing my point of view and my experience. We deserve this! If it’s fighting our instincts. Well honestly the strongest instinct is to survive, even the way the body reacts to survival is insane. Think about it, honestly its the best way to let God know, “I don’t want this world and I want something else, I’m willing to take the biggest risk of my being to leave this world without knowing what’s on the other side”
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 9, 2017 8:34:44 GMT
By 40 if I have not become atleast a millionaire, I will commit suicide as there wont be any reason to live anymore. The only reason that drives me to push forward is my parents, I’ve always wanted to make my father proud, something I have failed to do till now! He’s getting old with heart problems and just imagining anything happening to him, I have no idea how I’ll continue. What kind of objective is this? Becoming a millionaire? I truly don’t believe in real happiness, You should believe in "real happiness". Besides the superficial aspect of this world which causes me to be weary I am actually really happy. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 9, 2017 9:29:31 GMT
Okay. Based on inference, I take it you feel failed because you set up a goal to make your father proud and the way you find someone being proud of you is if you are successful. What is success? You are still thinking in material ways and completely forget about mental success and being superior mentally. Being mentally superior far outweighs superficial success in this world and is the only thing you bring with you from it and is the only thing which holds any relevance i.e. the state of your mind is what is the real you.
If you truly have mental development your father has something to be proud of and which is better than having billions of cash.
Gaining substantial wealth in the world usually involves leeching money from people and even the slightest exploitation is sinful. While you enter the world of capitalism, it is easy to fall to temptation and begin to greed and be unmindful that your methods are dubious and exploitative. Wanting to become rich and having a material craving is listed in the ancient "Law" of how things work, i.e. the motivation/locomotion of the body and its instinct a.k.a Satan in Semitic linguistics. When you idolize matter, you easily fall for stealing and stealing per the old decree even means exploitation of any kind and not only outright taking something like a traditional thief, e.g. breaking into someone's home.
Each line in the decree is interrelated and if falling manifestly for one of them, you often have fallen for multiple of them without realizing.
Please do not get upset with me for saying it, but if your father is only proud of you in case you become worldly successful, then he is stuck in the body's world and its influence. Social recognition and wealth is meaningless and mental growth requires no popularity among people. The state of your mind is not measured by how materially successful you are in here. It is an old delusion and propelled by how the instinct influences you to be.
I am personally not rich at all nor am I striving to become rich and I have enough cash to get around. If I wanted to become rich, I would have to preoccupy my mind more than I do today and it may be an illusion that getting rich is a lazy man's work and even if you can stop working eventually because the money grows by itself, you will likely have other worldly priorities and the money will bias your mind.
I am rich in other ways and the mind is very sharp and clear, and that is because I am not a slave to a human's visions driven by instincts. Like a curse, the more a person lets themselves be led by the body, the less mentally proficient they become. One has to build up a mind which can master the body and control its endeavors and be independent from its influence on thoughts.
You need to learn to distinguish when it is your instinct which drives you on and isolate that behavior from occurring. The problem for most is to accept, to believe, that the human nature as Homo sapiens is not natural to who you truly are. This lack of faith leads people to not adopt my teachings wholeheartedly even if they are here because it resonates with them.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 9, 2017 10:46:14 GMT
Why would it be a punishment? There is no logical explanation to your suggestion. The world is innately breaking down its subjects which you call evil, but that does not automatically mean it is a punishment.
The reason why people do not deserve salvation is because they lack development, so it is a direct consequence of that. Development is still the key to success and not having to experience Jehenoom, in which environment you are currently.
People exploit you because they succumbed to the instinct.
You got to be strong and confident and realize you suffer because people are weak, not be weak yourself because others are weak. Stand out in the crowd instead and choose to be something better.
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Post by rekkd on Dec 11, 2017 21:05:34 GMT
Hey Immanuel,
Yes my goal or vision is to become a billionaire as long as I’m alive in this world. It’s really stupid to just accept being poor or living from paycheck to paycheck. Not because of greed but because of safety, because I don’t want to be someone else’s slave, I want to do whatever I want when I want.
As long as we are here there is no such thing as true happiness, it’s just a fact.
Yes I do want to make my father proud by showing him that his son has become successful. It doesn’t matter to me if he sees that my mind/spirit is developed or not as he is a Sunni Muslim and doesn’t believe in anything else. I want him and my mom to feel like they’ve done a great job raising me, educating me and invested their time and effort for me to become a somebody! Even if it doesn’t matter to me that much, because their happiness is more important to me than my own happiness.
This world is a punishment, it makes logical sense just as much as your theory of development. Just like we don’t remember anything about who we were before being born, we can’t really tell what happened. We suffer, we grow old, we lose loved ones, we’re blinded by meaningless material things, we get sick, etc... Only a few people in the world can say they have it all, only a few can say they are attractive and so on.
It makes alot of sense to me that we are being punished for something we can’t remember what it was. Either we challenged God or we really did something to displease him.
Our body’s strongest instinct is survival then sex. We want to keep living and reproducing to keep our genes “alive”. Its insane how we really want to stay in this world when it offers nothing to us in return. I read a book called “How to win friends and influence people”, it’s very famous and I read it because I wanted to be better at social interactions. The author via several examples showed how we humans are always seeking the feeling of importance, and I agree 100%. He said it’s the most motivating thing a human can feel and its the thing we crave more than anything else.
Think about it, how do most people feel when you give them a genuine compliment or how we humans are always seeking ways to make ourselves feel special. Sorry to say it immanuel but aren’t you always trying to convince yourself and inform people that you are a “Prophet”. How many times in the forum have you said that you have a developed mind? how many times have you complimented yourself here. I’m not attacking you as I really do see you as a unique individual that has taught me alot. It makes so much sense to me that maybe we have challenged our creator, that’s why we love the feeling of importance that’s why we never want to die and become immortal. That’s why we want to climb the ladder seeking power, fame and fortune.
He created us and gave us this world to chase meaningless desires.
I don’t think we are part of God or we would have had powers to control matter. I don’t think his end goal is to create independent minds for diversity or wtvr you want to call it. It’s something else, still trying to figure it out.
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Post by Immanuel on Dec 13, 2017 10:32:24 GMT
Punishments do not make sense from a logical point of view. We are not being punished for something and that is a religiously invented idea. I don’t think we are part of God or we would have had powers to control matter. I don’t think his end goal is to create independent minds for diversity or wtvr you want to call it. It’s something else, still trying to figure it out. And what would that be? Of course we are here to choose mind over matter, the body is the real challenge and it is also a test of intelligence because finding out it is a mere illusion is requiring a very sharp mind since the world is quite believable. Your mind can become strong and a force to be reckoned with, even if the world innately seeks to break you down and this is why being successful mentally is very commendable. You are NOT supposed to surrender your mind and not acquire an independent identity, this is a very dangerous believed delusion among religious people. Think about it, how do most people feel when you give them a genuine compliment or how we humans are always seeking ways to make ourselves feel special. Sorry to say it immanuel but aren’t you always trying to convince yourself and inform people that you are a “Prophet”. I am not trying to convince myself I am a "propet", I am a prophet or insightful one as the word nabi means from Arabic. I am teaching a concept which is genuine and authentic and reflects the nature of our existence. We are seeds of a higher nature, a supernatural being, which seeds have been "planted" in another environment in order to bring stimuli. What I sense is that you bring in emotions in it all and this clouds your judgment. We, not even I, are void of emotional impacts, but we can steer clear of them and not let them affect our judgment and logic. How many times in the forum have you said that you have a developed mind? how many times have you complimented yourself here. I am trying to put it forth as an encouragement to pursue the same as I do and not as some kind of boasting from my part, and I often say that. It is not complimenting myself and I am not bragging about who I am and I wish nothing but what I have acquired myself to others as well. Nevertheless, the mental elevation must come forth and people must be able to recognize I have a tremendously sharpened mind due to the concept which I teach. I am after all trying to convince people to pursue the same as I have done, this is what those like me do and Jesus did the same, Moses did the same and the other ones too. I’m not attacking you as I really do see you as a unique individual that has taught me alot. So why do you think my ability to teach ends there? It makes so much sense to me that maybe we have challenged our creator, that’s why we love the feeling of importance that’s why we never want to die and become immortal. That’s why we want to climb the ladder seeking power, fame and fortune. No matter if you are kind or not, or "surrender to God", the world is evil. Read to yourself the logic that you infer. Why would the one who created you feel challenged by you, this is only in human instinctive behavior this functionality of jealousy exists. It is only sensible that the creator of you and me did so in order to develop new life and inevitable we have been created with an elevated mental capability and it is only logical we are supposed to be using that. Why would it matter if you grow your mind and boost your consciousness? We are not seeking a kind of instinctive hierarchy either, I am NOT seeking power, fame or fortune, and if you think that of me you are misconceiving what I am teaching. As you have heard me saying, I am teaching HOW TO BE BEING, to be a Being, a Being which is marked by independent consciousness and is in full control of itself and this is what the Earth is providing a mental challenge for us as it drives us towards autonomy, the instinct of Homo sapiens is giving autonomy and dependence. The whole purpose of the Earth is to succeed at that and ascend, or fail and remain. I don’t think we are part of God or we would have had powers to control matter. That is because your mind as a Being is weak and you do not have the mental capability to influence the will of the one who made you. The Earth is in control of that Elohim and unless you join the community and find consensus together with "Hem Eleh", you will obviously not be able to control matter. If your mental share and consciousness is less than 1% and the Elohim community is 99% of the rest, you evidently cannot affect the timeline and their force of will crushes your delusions of grandeur. However, if you befriend Elohim, join the community and grow your mind, you will surely sense that your influence on the world increases. You must understand how our existence and the nature of our existence works to begin with. You are part of the Elohim unity/oneness and your developed independence and strength of mind determines your part and if you insist on mental surrender because of deluded ideas, obviously you will never have any significant impact on things. The mental surrender concept is a huge delusion induced by deluded religious ideas of Paganism. This is why I urge people to change their minds and most importantly try the mental elevation path of existence and see for themselves what happens if you challenge the flesh and choose mind over matter. Everything I teach here is sponsored by this 'High Community' and I am not unauthorized to make these teachings. It is not "blasphemous" and this is how reality is, you are supposed to grow into Being or not exist at all and eventually be removed on the final apocalypse day, as prophesied from the beginning of time. Like Shakespeare said: "To be or not to be, is the question", and although he spoke of committing suicide, it is literally suicide to not choose to be and to be harsh: "It is stupid and deluded not to". Our body’s strongest instinct is survival then sex. We want to keep living and reproducing to keep our genes “alive”. Its insane how we really want to stay in this world when it offers nothing to us in return. I read a book called “How to win friends and influence people”, it’s very famous and I read it because I wanted to be better at social interactions. The author via several examples showed how we humans are always seeking the feeling of importance, and I agree 100%. He said it’s the most motivating thing a human can feel and its the thing we crave more than anything else. I am NOT seeking importance from an instinctive perspective and if you knew me I am quite involuntarily involved in this project and I loathe it, but I do it because it is the destiny of mine. I am not saying this is what you implied, but nevertheless after the subsequent paragraph I inferred that this is what you implied and you think I am applying some self-importance to myself and this is wrong. I am actually very averse to this role of mine and beneath the surface I have relative problems keeping myself not arrogant and nonchalant towards the weak minds of people and neglect trying to help them. It is with a high level of unwillingness that I do this, you should know and that you people are so rejecting of what I teach does not help, I am tired of having to struggle hard to prove this and that and argue this and that with people, and so when people start to debate with me and argue I often tend to simply leave them be. However, no one would like to live when their life did not matter and so this may be the importance that you refer to. The ordinary belief of life with no purpose is therefore senseless. This world is a punishment, it makes logical sense just as much as your theory of development. Just like we don’t remember anything about who we were before being born, we can’t really tell what happened. We suffer, we grow old, we lose loved ones, we’re blinded by meaningless material things, we get sick, etc... Only a few people in the world can say they have it all, only a few can say they are attractive and so on. If you delve into higher levels of logic, it is not logical at all. A higher intelligence would not deal in punishment since it is futile. Punishment is delivered due to making someone feel better per emotions who has previously been victimized. This means you have emotionally hurt "God", so do you ascribe emotions to "GOD"? However, the Earth is a place of development, a development ground as the mental voice/spirit of "God" said to me. It is a very harsh environment and the difficulty setting is there because it is a superhuman being which is sought after. Only a superhuman person can still develop despite the environment which heavily breaks down its subjects. If you surrender to that, you lose and you are another one of the 99.9% of subjects which fail the Earth environment. There was never quantity over quality sought after but quality is everything and if you want a very sharp knife you have to grind it very thoroughly. Consider this world as if you as a person was put towards a grinding stone and sharpened, with all the pain that would be involved if you were the knife. This world is a necessary "evil". It is challenging because the Creator seeks very, very mentally powerful minds which do not succumb to the lowliness of the world despite its superhuman difficulty level. I cannot see that more than a fragment of everyone will ever reach the expected results and so it is likely it is meant to be only 0.00001% of the total human population who are supposed to reach superhuman levels. Quantity is irrelevant, if the world brings forth a handful of elevated minds, this is good, and time is not a concern for the supernatural "God". The Earth is tragic and sad because you are supposed to be broken down and lose hope and surrender to it, unless you choose to be conscious and develop your mind instead. The Earth is supposed to be believable and you are supposed to be fooled into finding identity with the body of yours. You are supposed to be fooled towards mental surrender and the body drives hard to make you autonomous and slavishly follow its urges. It is ultimate failure to give up mentally. The only solution is "TO BE", you must choose to be, and this term is difficult to explain satisfactorily, for how do you explain "Being" and what is Being? You have to understand what it means. It is about boosting your consciousness and mind into "presence of mind" and realizing it, making it real. Then you cannot be weak and you cannot give in to lowly emotions and the derivative instinct, you must stand above them and convince yourself that YOU CAN... BE and you can be in control, most immediately in control of yourself in the body you reside. The control over matter and such is irrelevant at first. This is the faith Jesus speaks of repeatedly, you cannot think that things are impossible and that it is not possible for you to become superhuman in stature for you can be more perfect than you realize now and it is your mental surrender which prevents it and lack of faith. However, your dream or vision in life is instinctively driven and it shows you suffer from primitive behavior and so you lack development. You need to get rid of it or you fail. "The likelihood for a rich person to enter Heaven (the High Community) is like a camel passing through the Eye of a Needle". How are you going to believe me when you do not believe in the elder lore? Richness is not the right way. If you waste your time pursuing wealth, you waste your time alright and it has no meaning for the future, you do not carry your wealth with you when you die nor is your mind and its progress measured by your riches, it is worth nil. Not only do you waste your time on something irrelevant but wealth is very prone to corrupt people and the instincts come lurking once you have it. It is better not to have so many things to preoccupy your mind with. Another risky thing, which is equal to succumbing to the instinct, is being proud of possessions and owning things for social recognition and since you said you want to make your father proud it means your material possessions are supposed to impress on him and therefore you have violated at least one line of the Law by that and it reinforces your delusion in yourself, everything you break of the Law reinforces your attachment to the bodily. The dangerous thing is that your behavior is not by mistake but you seem to believe that you can just go on and violate the line of the Law and so you intentionally break the Law of the instinctive behavior triggers and so you choose the worldly through intention. This is not a good path-taking. But, I suspect you do not believe in my concept and you do not think that authentic sources have told the things I teach and so you go against them because you simply do not believe me. The lack of faith that I encounter is tiresome actually and it reinforces my contempt towards continuing this project. Either people just argue with me over things I learned from an authentic source or they listen while their ears do not hear, i.e. they do not hearken unto what I teach. I wonder if I am ever going to encounter a person with faith. Realize that, I am not seeking but to to elicit critical thinking in you towards what you are doing and so I am not "personally attacking" you through emotions. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by maveli on Dec 13, 2017 12:17:45 GMT
Hello rekkd, I have read your post and wanted to ask you, what do you mean by being in the wealthy state? Are you dissatisfied with your current life and want to achieve more? But regardless if you will be able to achive your material wishes, once you are gone, everything is gone, except your own personal experience which will influence your afterlife. Yes, life is unfair and not everyone has equal possibilities and also everyone has different 'starting conditions'. One who is born healthy and into a rich family will not experience the same as someone born in South Africa or someone with Down syndrome. But in the end, if you had everything you wanted by now, would you, in turn, try to give it all up just for a humble life just for the sake of information you now own or would you enjoy your wealthy state until the end? I am asking this because I had quite similar views a year or so before and I used to change my life to the better in material way. But in the end it all does not matter and I found myself unsatisfied even after the change so I moved to a purpose of life which I find more fruitful, which is contemplation and finding my inner self. Even my work which I used to love now is often annoying to me, and not everything about this is good, since I have to follow the schedule. I also believe that suffering as opposite to the state of comfort is more fruitful for you because in this state you learn how to find 'peace' with yourself, and it is only possible when a struggle is on. If you are raised in the comfort and now try to live in the comfort zone you only see how the world goes by and most people do just that. But what does trigger you personal state of comfort? Is it material only? If it is, don't you think you will get back to being miserable again once you lose something that you achieved? So in the end it won't satisfy you or you will want more, but won't be able to achive more, as an example, which will get you miserable again. Hey, thanks for replying to my post. What I mean by wealth is having billions in my bank account. I’d rather live this life developing my “Spirit” and figuring out my purpose in a mansion than on the streets. I understand it’s all meaningless but still doesn’t make sense to suffer more than how we’re suffering just living this life. I have no passion or love for anything material in this world. I never wanted to work a specific profession or create anything or do something that made me happy. I truly don’t believe in real happiness, however, one thing I want to achieve before I die is help young men around the world. Not because I care about every young man alive but because I see myself in others, I feel people’s pain and sorrows. It makes me feel better by helping them, as if I’m rewriting my own history. Some people deserve the world but they were born into this world at a disadvantage or grew up under the wrong circumstances. By 40 if I have not become atleast a millionaire, I will commit suicide as there wont be any reason to live anymore. The only reason that drives me to push forward is my parents, I’ve always wanted to make my father proud, something I have failed to do till now! He’s getting old with heart problems and just imagining anything happening to him, I have no idea how I’ll continue. This world is evil, God or the Creator made us as a punishment. It actually makes more sense than development, we as humans don’t deserve salvation. Look at what they did to Jesus, look at what’s happening in Palestine, Syria, Burma, Iraq, etc... Even the streets of developed countries some are making over 200k dollars a year and other cant even find a warm place to sleep. No one is even helping them, and if they do, they throw them a 2 dollar change to feel like they’ve done their part. I was the nicest human being ever and this world and the people around me abused that. I’m not feeling sorry for myself or want anyone to feel bad for me. I’m just sharing my point of view and my experience. We deserve this! If it’s fighting our instincts. Well honestly the strongest instinct is to survive, even the way the body reacts to survival is insane. Think about it, honestly its the best way to let God know, “I don’t want this world and I want something else, I’m willing to take the biggest risk of my being to leave this world without knowing what’s on the other side” Hello rekkd, Thank you for your answer. Word ‘kill’ might also mean defeat, whereas ‘killed’ might therefore indicate about ‘being defeated’. Committing a suicide is basically defeating yourself or giving up before your time “officially” expires, or ahead of it. I seem to understand where are you coming from but I believe that you put a high emphasis on justice, which I believe is deluding. You see, the concept of justice is a man-made one, just like the concepts of Good and Evil. These are invented concepts, which vary from culture to culture, from political regime to regime, from ethnicity to ethnicity et cetera. You cannot rely solely on justice because the world we live in is inherently unjust. It has nothing to do with specific people’s cruelty, but man is a developed animal and thus our motivations are primarily taken from earthly desires, so to speak. This is why Capitalism is the most authentic economic regime, which by far is the most successful in history. Because it allows a) relative freedom of education, transportation and religion; b) it allows you to stay economically ‘cruel’ and not forced into religious dogmas and moral conduct. Therefore, if the law allows you to, for instance, buyout someone’s property or business, in case it has debt for example, you can basically do it despite the fact that you will leave a whole family starving or even forced to leave on the streets and/or consume welfare, but it matters not since it is allowed by the law and you can increase your wealth this way based on the idea of the free market. This is cruel, of course, but this system works because the world is based this way inherently, i.e. it’s system in in its ‘source code’ made to be like that. Therefore all the traditions, superstitions, dogmas and the so called social moral is but a lie, made for the people to adhere to some basic ethical/moral conduct, which is artificial. Your position in this world is not to survive but to develop to the point when you oppose the world not by the sword, power or wealth, but by developing of what I call the ‘paradigmatic shift’, where you naturally oppose the cruel animalistic behavior of the people and the world itself. Therefore, you should not ask or demand from people something they are not inherently ‘taught’, i.e. being merciful or understanding. You should not blame others for being unjust to you, even if you were kind to them. You should pretty much be different from what the world inherently expects you to be. By giving up and defeat yourself due to financial desires not only you become defeated but you also succumb to the nature of your desires, which is twice as detrimental. Right now, your motivation of becoming at least a millionaire sounds vague, because you mentioned several motivational factors that you want to achieve, including helping others and your parents proud. But the thing is, you do not owe anything to anyone and you will not be able to please everyone around you. Not to mention that ‘helping others’ is a vague concept, because most people from the rich class usually do it merely or PR, i.e. publically. But even regular financial help to the poor or establishment of educational centers, which by the way would cost you more than a million, will not help others, because it Is only we who can help ourselves and decide the best for us. Best thing is to advice and educate others, and teach them how to fish, rather than feed them for one day. I suggest you re-watch the Godfather 1 and 2. If we take away the obvious ‘mafia-theme’ and look ‘behind the lines’ you will see that this motion picture is about a survival of the family, the kinship, the clan. And what means or methods they use in order to survive. This is not just them but the whole system in a nutshell. The key is to oppose it by the means that would be contrary to such animalistic behavior and greed.
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