Post by Ishmael on Nov 25, 2017 20:24:11 GMT
I see now, I see it clearly,
So am I talking to the Immanuel that the Isiah chapter 7 is talking about? If You are indeed the Immanuel whom The Isaiah prophecized about, I need to tell You that You might have the hardest task in the history of mankind. I would even go as far as to say to call this mission as "Mission Impossible". However, I know Your motto is "Everything is possible, Nothing is impossible". One cannot even write the word impossible, without writing the word possible. I know Christians believe the boy with the name Immanuel whom the Isaiah spoke about to be a reference to Jesus from Nazareth, however, if one digs a little into the subject, it seems that it is not Jesus from Nazareth. Let us look the book of Isaiah:
First and foremost, Isaiah 7:14 says that a virgin will bear a son. The problem is dealing with the Hebrew word for virgin, which is almah. According to the Strong's Concordance it means, "virgin, young woman 1a) of marriageable age 1b) maid or newly married." Therefore, the word almah does not always mean virgin. The word "occurs elsewhere in the Old Testament only in Genesis 24:43 (maiden); Exodus 2:8 (girl); Psalm 68:25 (maidens); Proverbs 30:19 (maiden); Song of Songs 1:3 (maidens); 6:8 (virgins)."1 Additionally, there is a Hebrew word for virgin: bethulah. If Isaiah 7:14 was meant to mean virgin instead of young maiden, then why wasn't the word used here?
The child eating butter and honey that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good; this passage doesn't make sense if "Curds and honey He shall eat" is literally understood to mean that the child will eat honey and butter in order to understand the difference between evil and good, and choose the latter. So the logical assumption would be that this must not be taken literally but rather as an allegory for something. Most probably this refers to an abundant life, a life of comfort. So the child must be raised in a non-hostile and carefree environment in order for the child to refuse the evil and choose the good.
So, Immanuel, my question would be what do You think? Are You that Immanuel, about which Isaiah is talking about here? If so then we need to look at the bigger picture, the main script. The prince of peace/The second Messiah has a very big and important task, one would even say this individual has the biggest task in the of the existence of this realm, from its begging to its end. Most probably no ordinary man would have what it takes to accomplish this role/task/timeline, let alone accept it upon himself when even the being who successfully played the role of the first Messiah was distressed at the end of his road/timeline/task/mission when he said to his disciples:
And then most probably understanding that there is no way back and that he needs to finish the role that he too upon/or God chose him for this role in order for the intended timeline to come into existence, so he tells God that if it is necessary for Him to drink from this cup/finish what he started by getting tortured humiliated and killed, by his own choice, he said to God:
The first important question is as to why Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah? Did they have a reason for not accepting him as The Messiah which was prophecised by the old testament prophets such as Isaiah and others?
Indeed Jesus did not fulfill ALL the things that the "Messiah" should have done, or maybe HE DID?! You see by logical deduction, it is easy to see that in the prophecies of the prophets there are two contradictory timelines for a "messiah". One timeline is a "Messiah" who suffers and dies at the hand of the deluded. ISAIAH 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
The other timeline is of a "Messiah" who will be a king, who will bring world peace and solve the problems of the world globally, who will make a revolution in the minds of the people. Which Isaiah also talks about in chapter 11. So it is understandable as to why the Jews did not and do not accept Jesus as the Messiah because he did not do other things which the Messiah was prophecized to do. That's why Jewish Pherecies felt that they are the ones who were right, if Jesus was the real Messiah he wouldn't have died because there are still prophecies which the Messiah figure must do, so the fact that he died without accomplishing all the prophecies that it means He was not the Messiah. But this wrong opinion upon the Jewish pheresis which was held as the truth and even now is held as the reason to denial of the fact that Jesus was a Messiah, is due to lack of proper understanding of the scripture and due to wrong logic. Now for a rational mind, it is not hard to grasp that it's not the same humanly embodiment that has two timelines and tasks. Messiah 1.0, and the second coming of a Messiah 2.0, so to speak. The first Messiah needed to lay down "the way" for the coming fo the second one.
We know that there are two Messianic events, one the suffering Messiah and the other is the Prince of Peace, the Messiah who will bring world peace, as Isaiah:11 says "And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked." and "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat" . There are two Messianic roles planned by God for this realm. We know the being who played The first role of the "suffering Messiah/the lamb that needs to be slaughtered", was an individual who had the physical embodiment of a human who is known to us a Jesus from Nazareth. Now the scriptures talk about how this being-"Jesus" was ascended into the heavens and will come back to fulfill the role of the "Prince of peace, the one who will make the lions sleep with lambs. It is not hard to understand that we are dealing here with the reincarnation of the same spirit/being who at the time of the embodiment of the human body of Jesus of Nazareth, fulfilled the first role/task/timeline/script of the Messiah character. The religious people, wait for Jesus to return from the sky in a body. But logic tells that the most probable and practical thing would be for his being to come into this realm through reincarnation like every other spirit/being that comes here to embody a human body. And as the system works, when a spirit embodies a new body on earth, the spirit loses its memories from the past as to obey the fundamental rules of existence. Another possibility might be that it will be another being/spirit who will get the task of the "second Messiah, who must appear in the end times or before the end of time.
The reality is that by the script of God, it was needed to give as an offering to the world, to plant the seed of "The Way" so to speak. Woudnt have Jesus story/timeline ended as it has, most probably his story and teachings wouldn't have had such an effect on the spirits inhabiting human bodies in this instance. However, the script is such is that there will be a Messiah again amongst spirits embodying humanly bodies in this existence. And one does not need to wonder much, to understand why it did not happen earlier. The reality is that we are in the age of information and total connection to each other right at this point fo time. Thanks to the World Wide Web, there is no such thing as distance. The reality is, The Messiah WILL come, He might even be now in a human body, but He just doesn't remember yet why He is here. He just needs to show himself to the world.
What these religious people cannot grasp is that they all wait for the same individual, the Jews wait for the Messiah who will bring peace and justice, who in reality is the second timeline Messiah, the Christians are waiting for the same individual whom they consider to be Jesus, seeing these two messianic movements as one the same person, and Muslims are waiting for the Messianic figure Mahdi who will bring peace and justice to the world.
The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people (ISAIAH 2:4). Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9). Others, however, say that these statements are merely an allegory for peace and prosperity.
Psalm 22:27-31
David affirms that the Messiah will be given dominion over “the ends of the earth” at the time when He “rules over the nations.”
Psalm 67
An unidentified psalmist speaks prophetically of the time when the nations of the world will “be glad and sing for joy.” This will be when the Lord comes to “judge the peoples with uprightness.” At that time the Lord will “guide the nations on the earth” so that “all the ends of the earth may fear Him.”
Jeremiah 23:5
“‘Behold, the days are coming,’ declares the Lord, ‘when I shall raise up for David a righteous Branch; and He will reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land.'” (Note: The term, “Branch,” is a Messianic title.)
ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS TEXTS:
The question is if You will take this cup and drink from it to the last drop? Fulfill all the prophecies? Or will You pass along?
So am I talking to the Immanuel that the Isiah chapter 7 is talking about? If You are indeed the Immanuel whom The Isaiah prophecized about, I need to tell You that You might have the hardest task in the history of mankind. I would even go as far as to say to call this mission as "Mission Impossible". However, I know Your motto is "Everything is possible, Nothing is impossible". One cannot even write the word impossible, without writing the word possible. I know Christians believe the boy with the name Immanuel whom the Isaiah spoke about to be a reference to Jesus from Nazareth, however, if one digs a little into the subject, it seems that it is not Jesus from Nazareth. Let us look the book of Isaiah:
ISAIAH 7
Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. 17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.”First and foremost, Isaiah 7:14 says that a virgin will bear a son. The problem is dealing with the Hebrew word for virgin, which is almah. According to the Strong's Concordance it means, "virgin, young woman 1a) of marriageable age 1b) maid or newly married." Therefore, the word almah does not always mean virgin. The word "occurs elsewhere in the Old Testament only in Genesis 24:43 (maiden); Exodus 2:8 (girl); Psalm 68:25 (maidens); Proverbs 30:19 (maiden); Song of Songs 1:3 (maidens); 6:8 (virgins)."1 Additionally, there is a Hebrew word for virgin: bethulah. If Isaiah 7:14 was meant to mean virgin instead of young maiden, then why wasn't the word used here?
The child eating butter and honey that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good; this passage doesn't make sense if "Curds and honey He shall eat" is literally understood to mean that the child will eat honey and butter in order to understand the difference between evil and good, and choose the latter. So the logical assumption would be that this must not be taken literally but rather as an allegory for something. Most probably this refers to an abundant life, a life of comfort. So the child must be raised in a non-hostile and carefree environment in order for the child to refuse the evil and choose the good.
So, Immanuel, my question would be what do You think? Are You that Immanuel, about which Isaiah is talking about here? If so then we need to look at the bigger picture, the main script. The prince of peace/The second Messiah has a very big and important task, one would even say this individual has the biggest task in the of the existence of this realm, from its begging to its end. Most probably no ordinary man would have what it takes to accomplish this role/task/timeline, let alone accept it upon himself when even the being who successfully played the role of the first Messiah was distressed at the end of his road/timeline/task/mission when he said to his disciples:
Matthew 26:38
"Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.”
Matthew 26:39
“O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”
And he fell on the ground saying to God:
“O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”
And then most probably understanding that there is no way back and that he needs to finish the role that he too upon/or God chose him for this role in order for the intended timeline to come into existence, so he tells God that if it is necessary for Him to drink from this cup/finish what he started by getting tortured humiliated and killed, by his own choice, he said to God:
Matthew 26:42
Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless[e] I drink it, Your will be done.”
Immanuel, The Key lies amongst piles of texts and bits of information here and there, one just needs to connect the dots and see the big picture, the main script. And to do that one needs to start with a question. (Right questions give right Answer, A good tree gives good fruit...)The first important question is as to why Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah? Did they have a reason for not accepting him as The Messiah which was prophecised by the old testament prophets such as Isaiah and others?
Indeed Jesus did not fulfill ALL the things that the "Messiah" should have done, or maybe HE DID?! You see by logical deduction, it is easy to see that in the prophecies of the prophets there are two contradictory timelines for a "messiah". One timeline is a "Messiah" who suffers and dies at the hand of the deluded. ISAIAH 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
The other timeline is of a "Messiah" who will be a king, who will bring world peace and solve the problems of the world globally, who will make a revolution in the minds of the people. Which Isaiah also talks about in chapter 11. So it is understandable as to why the Jews did not and do not accept Jesus as the Messiah because he did not do other things which the Messiah was prophecized to do. That's why Jewish Pherecies felt that they are the ones who were right, if Jesus was the real Messiah he wouldn't have died because there are still prophecies which the Messiah figure must do, so the fact that he died without accomplishing all the prophecies that it means He was not the Messiah. But this wrong opinion upon the Jewish pheresis which was held as the truth and even now is held as the reason to denial of the fact that Jesus was a Messiah, is due to lack of proper understanding of the scripture and due to wrong logic. Now for a rational mind, it is not hard to grasp that it's not the same humanly embodiment that has two timelines and tasks. Messiah 1.0, and the second coming of a Messiah 2.0, so to speak. The first Messiah needed to lay down "the way" for the coming fo the second one.
We know that there are two Messianic events, one the suffering Messiah and the other is the Prince of Peace, the Messiah who will bring world peace, as Isaiah:11 says "And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked." and "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat" . There are two Messianic roles planned by God for this realm. We know the being who played The first role of the "suffering Messiah/the lamb that needs to be slaughtered", was an individual who had the physical embodiment of a human who is known to us a Jesus from Nazareth. Now the scriptures talk about how this being-"Jesus" was ascended into the heavens and will come back to fulfill the role of the "Prince of peace, the one who will make the lions sleep with lambs. It is not hard to understand that we are dealing here with the reincarnation of the same spirit/being who at the time of the embodiment of the human body of Jesus of Nazareth, fulfilled the first role/task/timeline/script of the Messiah character. The religious people, wait for Jesus to return from the sky in a body. But logic tells that the most probable and practical thing would be for his being to come into this realm through reincarnation like every other spirit/being that comes here to embody a human body. And as the system works, when a spirit embodies a new body on earth, the spirit loses its memories from the past as to obey the fundamental rules of existence. Another possibility might be that it will be another being/spirit who will get the task of the "second Messiah, who must appear in the end times or before the end of time.
The reality is that by the script of God, it was needed to give as an offering to the world, to plant the seed of "The Way" so to speak. Woudnt have Jesus story/timeline ended as it has, most probably his story and teachings wouldn't have had such an effect on the spirits inhabiting human bodies in this instance. However, the script is such is that there will be a Messiah again amongst spirits embodying humanly bodies in this existence. And one does not need to wonder much, to understand why it did not happen earlier. The reality is that we are in the age of information and total connection to each other right at this point fo time. Thanks to the World Wide Web, there is no such thing as distance. The reality is, The Messiah WILL come, He might even be now in a human body, but He just doesn't remember yet why He is here. He just needs to show himself to the world.
What these religious people cannot grasp is that they all wait for the same individual, the Jews wait for the Messiah who will bring peace and justice, who in reality is the second timeline Messiah, the Christians are waiting for the same individual whom they consider to be Jesus, seeing these two messianic movements as one the same person, and Muslims are waiting for the Messianic figure Mahdi who will bring peace and justice to the world.
WHAT DO THE PROPHECIES SAY THIS SECOND MESSIAH TIMELINE-INDIVIDUAL MUST ACCOMPLISH IN ORDER TO FIT INTO THE PROPHESIES OF THE PROPHETS OF THE PAST?
JEWISH RELIGIOUS TEXTS:
The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people (ISAIAH 2:4). Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9). Others, however, say that these statements are merely an allegory for peace and prosperity.
ISAIAH 9:6-7
The Messiah will rule from the throne of David, giving the world a government of peace, justice, and righteousness. (Note: The throne of David is not in Heaven. It is located in Jerusalem — see Psalm 122. Jesus is not now on the throne of David. He sits at the right hand of His Father on His Father’s throne — see Revelation 3:21.)
ISAIAH 59:20
“The Redeemer will come to Zion,
And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,”
Says the Lord.
ISAIAH 2
Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
That the mountain of the Lord’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it.
3 Many people shall come and say,
“Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Psalm 22:27-31
David affirms that the Messiah will be given dominion over “the ends of the earth” at the time when He “rules over the nations.”
Psalm 67
An unidentified psalmist speaks prophetically of the time when the nations of the world will “be glad and sing for joy.” This will be when the Lord comes to “judge the peoples with uprightness.” At that time the Lord will “guide the nations on the earth” so that “all the ends of the earth may fear Him.”
Jeremiah 23:5
“‘Behold, the days are coming,’ declares the Lord, ‘when I shall raise up for David a righteous Branch; and He will reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land.'” (Note: The term, “Branch,” is a Messianic title.)
ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS TEXTS:
According to the hadith books that's what it said about this individual :
"Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my family and just before the day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression."
THE HADITHS EVEN HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO DESCRIBE THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS MESSIAH, WHICH ARE THESE:
“Al-Mahdi will be of my stock and will have a BROAD FOREHEAD, A PROMINENT NOSE. He will fill the earth with equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny, and he will rule for seven years.”
The question is if You will take this cup and drink from it to the last drop? Fulfill all the prophecies? Or will You pass along?