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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 19:51:42 GMT
And there is no physical evidence I can use to prove what I know, logic must be your validator and tool. Science does not work on this, but it does not make any less true. What is science anyways, the study about a world which is projected like it? It is like some fool studies the code in a computer game and says that it is how the world is built up and claims they know something.
In order to study what is outside of the box and is unreachable one must use logic on what is not possible to see and test empirically. It is not any less true just because you can only use theory by logic to tell what is true. If logic says something it cannot be false. And if you lack knowledge between two factors, the most probable answer is the true answer. I have made countless elaborations on the logical necessity of both the supernatural nature of the human mind and of a divine-like existence beyond the normal world.
The easiest argument which is hard to soundly counterattack is how the universe in itself can know how to evolve, how could mere cells know what to do of themselves to form an organism?
And did you know how nonexistent the probability is for the universe to come together to function at all, with stars containing matter which reacts with each other to burn for billions of years (the stars)?
With arguments like that it is on the contrary stupid not to believe in the supernatural, even if it is acceptable to be an agnostic (believes in the supernatural but no particular religious belief).
With those two arguments it is way more logical to find the answer for there to be a supernatural origin and source for the universe than not. The key is searching for what is logical and not what is illogical. If it is logical the source of existence is supernatural, the key is to familiarize oneself with it and search for answers, not just live like an unknowing fool.
It is highly ignorant to know so much yet know nothing, like people with so called scientific knowledge. Many are tainted by a perception of typical religious people with their religions, it is not necessarily where to look, the real supernatural "guys" in Elahem are highly mentally evolved beings, not primitive gods requiring any worship and who are angry out of jealousy because they are not worshiped enough. Elahem looks down on religious people, alike Jesus did, just as much as on atheist people, and atheism is actually very much like a religious faith, people so convinced about something as a group they are closed to rational input which disproves their logic. The belief in humans like some kind of evolved beings from biology is a sort of religious worship in man being mortal gods. It is actually not so smart. Do not listen too much to them without proper reflection.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 19:54:50 GMT
In another time when Moses talked to God it says in the text that : "And Moses went up to God. The Lord called to him from the mountain, saying..."
It seems that the way Elohim communicated to prophets was very specific, through a certain place, object etc. But why would it be, why not just telepathically?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 19:55:59 GMT
So both Moses and Jesus were insightful ones, and at this part of history, people regard them as Prophets. However, does one become part of Elohim only by being an insighful one? Or if one has an enough developed mind to be considered a member of Elohim, one is automatically/also can be called and refer to as being a part of the circle of the insightful ones. Having understanding is a prerequisite to qualify for the mental prowess required to be virtually a "god", so you are required to fulfill supernatural requirements. You can be insightful, there is nothing which prevents it, the word means just as it reads, a person with insight. Contextually it usually implies a person who has a foot inside the door at Elahem though. But the term is just a term. If you have great understanding you have great insight too.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 20:04:06 GMT
In another time when Moses talked to God it says in the text that : "And Moses went up to God. The Lord called to him from the mountain, saying..." It seems that the way Elohim communicated to prophets was very specific, through a certain place, object etc. But why would it be, why not just telepathically? Many translations are very poor in ancient narratives, it is not certain the original text tells it like that. Thankfully there exists many narratives of the same event which tells it differently, so you can get an idea of what really happened. For example, the Jewish ancient historian Josepheus reveals a vastly different story of Moses compared to the Biblical Canon. Also the "Quran" says Moses perceived a strange light or force leading him in some direction, not necessarily to a mountain, the word for mountain is also often misinterpreted and must not necessarily mean that. In the Josepheus tale he comes to a mysterious cave where a voice speaks to him, but it does not imply it is on a mountain. Moses does probably hide in a cave from the people who seek to kill him and therein he hears this voice which tells him not to fear, trust himself and return to gather the stray sheep among the children of Israel (which is a code word for something). Moses had already begun preaching and this is why he is driven away.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 20:09:12 GMT
So at the end of the day, it is about becoming truly alive and not just a biological-machine with its biologically-programmed wants/needs/seeing way of things. However at the same time here arises some sort of a conflict, the biological-machine/the human is part of this earth and its reality. It seems like the more the person grows in mind the more of a "home" earth seems to be., which again might be so because of the lack of like-minded people. If for example, a black person shapes his/her identity with his/her colour of skin and national culture than if this person will at some point of time live in a pure caucasian neighbourhood, He/She will try to find like-minded people of his/her own ethnicity. However a person who in general cannot relate not to one or many cultures, but the humanity and human way of thinking in general, the person might find himself/herself lonely so to speak. But again question is, is "loneliness" an instinct and do Elohim feel/can feel ever lonely? Loneliness is an instinct due to the human being a social creature, but boredom is simply the lack of stimulation. I would be glad to live alone on a remote island isolated from all the fools, but I would still need a purpose.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 13, 2019 20:23:52 GMT
So the picture that paints in front is that one should for the sake of development and becoming truly a living Being uphold the 10 commandments/aids and try to become Spiritually Complete, and if One wants to communicate to Elohim one should just try to get as better as possible and hope for the best.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 13, 2019 22:29:49 GMT
So the picture that paints in front is that one should for the sake of development and becoming truly a living Being uphold the 10 commandments/aids and try to become Spiritually Complete, and if One wants to communicate to Elohim one should just try to get as better as possible and hope for the best. Uphold and uphold, the so called Commandments are like guidelines or a remedy in order to keep sane when a force is trying to break you down, namely the body. These are several assists in order to keep the distance to what the body instinctively seeks to bring you into. Some lines in the list of ten are mere commands to do something while the others are telling not to. 1. To do 2. Not to do 3. Not to do 4. To do 5. To do 6. Not to do 7. Not to do 8. Not to do 9. Not to do 10. Not to do 4 to do's 6 not to do's Philosophically, the first one commands to "be being", the subsequent two mention the direct antonyms of being, straight thereafter by saying "be not devoted to images (stereotypes) of false beings" and "do not follow the call to be being vain". Then it continues saying "keep or maintain the Sabbateh", arguably the word Sabbateh comes from a word which means "keep unto it, connected to or CONTEMPLATING (it)", contextually it is valid that to assume it refers to the first line of commanding a person TO BE BEING, and the "teh" ة does linguistically force it to require a pronoun like "it" to have a reference elsewhere in a sentence. The fifth line on the other hand, appears to begin a new segment of context, the lines are related to each other there. 5. Do care for your neighbor as yourself 6. (therefore) do not dominate (him/her) 7. (and) do not acquire illicitly (from him/her) 8. (and) do not lay with (him/her) sexually 9. (and) do not carry false testimony (to him/her) 10. (and) do not covet your neighbor's possessions, status and fame (i.e. be not driven by jealousy to add to stereotypes) You see that all the subsequent 5 parameters define what you should do to treat your neighbor as you should do to yourself. In the mean time it tells of what kind of person you should be yourself. I assure you, the old decree does as I tell above refer to the neighbor in line five in the subsequent ones! Furthermore there is a supplementary command to "judge eye for an eye, tooth of a tooth", it basically says that never be unfair if you have to judge because someone did you injustice and then repay harder than the injury that was dealt to you. This command also means that you should give payment to someone the equal value of what it is worth and not less. You can squeeze out so many meanings from a simple sentence, yet they mean all of it. On the other hand, Jesus told it is better to not require anything at all, not seek revenge and it shows of more development than to require punishment. Jesus also showed that you can simply offer things for free, without payment, it is why he said if someone is to go with you for a mile, go with him for two miles. It is such small things which change the world if enough people do it. The comparison is if you promised to drive someone a certain distance, let us say 10 kilometers and he paid you a sum but the person was modest and did not require you to drive where you were not to drive but you offer to drive there anyway and require no extra payment and hence drive several kilometers extra. You should know the old law of "eye for an eye" is not only about bloodshed as people turn it into. By doing such things you go against your own instinct, your instinct would wish to retrieve for your losses, not lose anything of what you own. The instinct should be suppressed as much as possible and the best solution is to do what is the straight opposite of what it calls for. Symbolically Jesus said just throw your money and possessions away, they should not be important to you and if they are this is where your treasure is, he said sarcastically. He did not tell you to throw away what you need to survive in, for example, the capitalistic world of today, for rent etc, but you should only have it for sustenance and not more. Chasing after richness, fame, glory and status items, this is where your heart is too afterwards. A modern interpretation of his words would mean to obtain the latest brand and model of smartphone because it is popular and you get social status by that. Or you get an Audi or BMW because that indicates class and good financial status. It is when you violate line two, three and ten in the decree, about stereotypes, vanity and acquisition of what your neighbors have. You should know how many of those lines an average human break EVERY DAY, they probably break every single line. This is also why the average human is dead consciously because it does not bring life but death to follow an automatic driving. Let me show an ordinary person's day of life: 1. Goes up, makes the hair, if woman puts on makeup (violates sex provocation to neighbor) 2. Travels to work by car, an idiotic driver does something stupid and does something in return, it derails and the person does something so the other cannot drive (violates by domination) 3. Arrives at work, shows up the new smartphone bought yesterday on morning meeting (jealousy, stereotype, vanity) 4. Takes the opportunity to complain about a colleague (subconsciously making self appear better - dominate, jealousy) and exaggerates the negativity (carry false testimony) 5. An attractive colleague passes by, eyes fall on interesting parts (sex drive activation) 6. Agrees with stereotypical group interest when talking to colleagues, not because of own independence but to follow the norm (stereotype, vanity) 7. Thinks about the body of the colleague seen previously, has a daydream (sex activation) 8. Attributes the idea of someone else to self (stealing, carry false testimony) 9. Comes home, does brain dead activities like watch violence or romance on TV or movie and does not even reflect on why (vanity, stereotype, domination (by watching violence) and/or sex activation) 10. Starts the computer, or video game console, and plays a shooter game (domination) You can see how a typical day can break so many rules of living well.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 14, 2019 7:35:22 GMT
Very interesting is then compare the prophets and their being to the ordinary human. So it must be that's why Jesus said in the gospels to not care about your clothes or the food that one will eat or even about the body. I understand He probably did not mean to not take care of the body but to not obsess about its appearance. Especially today there is this whole culture of "Fitness" of having a good-looking-muscular physique. But again as Jesus said you cannot serve two masters at the same time. Logically if You served yourself and not the body You would not occupy your time and effort trying to get your biceps bigger or another/other muscle part(s) for example. Or when one takes selfies of himself/herself and publishes it to the internet, if one really gets into thinking as to why one does it, it is probably in order to feel good, a good looking person for example who knows he/she is above average looking would want to post a picture of himself/herself knowing the human nature and how people/the masses will start complimenting them on their good looks. This than makes the easily impressed people try to get the as many compliments and pat on their back so to speak by competing in the good-lookingness which forces people into applying make-up, trying to get a fresh/trendy haircut, trendy-clothing etc, which turns into some kind of war where it does not become about attracting the opposite sex any-more, but on the other hand, it turns into a game of domination, who is the best looking, who is the hottest, most beautiful etc.
This might be the answer as to why there were prophets who chose to wear simple clothing, it seems to be that because in a sense they saw that this world with the human-body they were given was not a friend so to speak, so by trying to appear less attractive than maybe they could have been looking with a proper set of clothing and grooming, but they in a sense made a boycott against the world and its system(s).
However, at the same time, Jesus in the gospels says something related about this topic here: "And why do you worry about clothes? Consider how the lilies of the field grow: They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his glory was adorned like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?"
I can see by these words that Solomon was known to be very good/nice clothed, in other words dressing nice. However, it seems Jesus offers something better, to not care about clothing at all, just like the flowers in his example which just themselves.
Here we have gone through . 2 commandments already the commandment of sexual things, the commandment of domination, but clothing can break another commandment too. Why do companies use famous individuals and/or model(physically beautiful people)? Because this might active the instinct of imitation of others, people try to be like a star, if they cannot copy his/her looks they at least try to imitate their style of dressing themselves etc.
It seems if one try to analyze one little/specific aspect of human life/social/economic/political dynamics one will find that in just one specific thing there is a violation of multiple of commandments if not even all it might be possible that it is even so, if one goes very deep into analysis.
The book of James chapter 2 tells that whoever breaks one of the commandments is guilty of breaking them all, and beforehand I thought it is so just-because, but now I can see one LITERALLY in some symbiotic way by breaking one commandment automatically breaks others as well. The book of James chapter 2 says also a lot more about this topic overall it seems, here :
1 My friends, as believers in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, you must never treat people in different ways according to their outward appearance. 2 Suppose a rich man wearing a gold ring and fine clothes comes to your meeting, and a poor man in ragged clothes also comes.
3 If you show more respect to the well-dressed man and say to him, "Have this best seat here," but say to the poor man, "Stand over there, or sit here on the floor by my feet," 4 then you are guilty of creating distinctions among yourselves and of making judgments based on evil motives.
5 Listen, my dear friends! God chose the poor people of this world to be rich in faith and to possess the kingdom which he promised to those who love him. 6 But you dishonor the poor! Who are the ones who oppress you and drag you before the judges? The rich!
7 They are the ones who speak evil of that good name which has been given to you. 8 You will be doing the right thing if you obey the law of the Kingdom, which is found in the scripture, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." 9 But if you treat people according to their outward appearance, you are guilty of sin, and the Law condemns you as a lawbreaker.
10 Whoever breaks one commandment is guilty of breaking them all. 11 For the same one who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not commit murder." Even if you do not commit adultery, you have become a lawbreaker if you commit murder. 12 Speak and act as people who will be judged by the law that sets us free.
13 For God will not show mercy when he judges the person who has not been merciful; but mercy triumphs over judgment. 14 My friends, what good is it for one of you to say that you have faith if your actions do not prove it? Can that faith save you?
15 Suppose there are brothers or sisters who need clothes and don't have enough to eat. 16 What good is there in your saying to them, "God bless you! Keep warm and eat well!" - if you don't give them the necessities of life? 17 So it is with faith: if it is alone and includes no actions, then it is dead.
18 But someone will say, "One person has faith, another has actions." My answer is, "Show me how anyone can have faith without actions. I will show you my faith by my actions." 19 Do you believe that there is only one God? Good! The demons also believe - and tremble with fear.
20 You fool! Do you want to be shown that faith without actions is useless? 21 How was our ancestor Abraham put right with God? It was through his actions, when he offered his son Isaac on the altar. 22 Can't you see? His faith and his actions worked together; his faith was made perfect through his actions.
23 And the scripture came true that said, "Abraham believed God, and because of his faith God accepted him as righteous." And so Abraham was called God's friend. 24 You see, then, that it is by our actions that we are put right with God, and not by our faith alone.
25 It was the same with the prostitute Rahab. She was put right with God through her actions, by welcoming the Israelite spies and helping them to escape by a different road. 26 So then, as the body without the spirit is dead, also faith without actions is dead.
Also very very interesting to point out that if one looks at the English Standard Version (ESV) of the Matthew chapter - 5 , one can see Jesus saying that whoever "relaxes" one of the least of these commandments and teaches others the same will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. So, in other words, one cannot separate gods law and the human-way of thinking/living, just like people do these days, people separate their human-life and God/religion and they believe God is in a mosque or a church and outside of these "holy" places they are left to their human lives again. But it seems one cannot separate the kingdom of Hevan and the human kingdom, it is either one lives according to the laws of God or lives according to his/her own human nature. Now it is clear why Jesus said that one cannot serve two masters at the same time. Here it becomes clear why Jesus thaught the prayer the way He did, let's take a look at the Lord's prayer,
"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'"
It is clear why Jesus says "Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven", one cannot imagine the Kingdom of God as something separate to our Earth, The Earth should become a mirror of Kingdom of heaven.
So in a sense, the entire challenge is to make the plural things into ONE. The challenge and the mission is to replace everything earthly with the Heavenly counterpart, replace it with it so to speak. To not discriminate and differentiate things, allegorically speaking. If we take a look at the gospel of Thomas, for example, it makes the picture more clear.
(2a) Thom 22:4 /1/ Jesus saw some babies nursing. /2/ He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the <Father's> domain. /3/ They said to him, "Then shall we enter the <Father's> domain as babies? /4/ Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, /5/ and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make the male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, /6/ when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, /7/ then you will enter [the <Father's> domain]. [Complete Gospels]
Here in chapter 22 verse 4 it because more clear about the dynamics of this mission, one should replace the earthly image/way of thinking with the heavenly image/way of thinking. Are there females or males in the kingdom of God, no, then get rid of it.
As (2b) Thom 106:1 Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam." [Complete Gospels]
The children of Adam-word I can see is translated in other places such as "Sons of Man". Adam might probably be a Model of men who are in perfect symbiosis with the Kingdom of God. Because as they are still on earth, due to their human-bodies they have the human part but due to the fact that their minds/image is of the Kingdom of Heaven they have the Heavenly part, a unity of sorts. Making the two into one. I hope I do not turn this into a word-play, but I really hope on the contrary I'm onto something in understanding the mechanics of how this system works, because with faith alone it seems like eating a dish with no salt in it.
Christ Came to Fulfill the Law 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 14, 2019 7:59:06 GMT
Correct is one should not dress up due to social stereotypes, carry meaningless brand clothes which actually are not more durable than something cheaper. Modern day interpretation of what Jesus said is to just carry no-name clothes of no particular brand and nothing fancy.
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