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Post by hftwo on Jan 25, 2019 3:55:50 GMT
Immanuel, what is your take on the phenomena of ego-loss in people who try psychedelic-drugs such as DMT for example? The users say things like "I had no sense of self, no I, It was total ego-loss" and etc. But at the same time people who try DMT, some of them even say things like "Explaining a DMT trip is like explaining color to a blind man." But ego-loss is a consistent effect that in people`s experiences.
My take on this, is the following:
When the people ingest the drug, the drug weakens/lessens the connection/attachment of the mind/seed/soul from the human body. This way they start to see things which already exist beyond this human-world but due to the attachment to the human body was not possible to experience/sense beforehand. Why though they experience an ego-loss or a lossof the sense of self, it might be because due to the fact that their mind/soul-seed/--observer were not developed through their human-lives to have an independent heavenly-ego/identity. Which means that they only had earthly-human-body ego/identity. Because of this when the drug breakdown/lessens the mind/soul-seed`s attachment to the body their consciousness, aka. the heavenly-seed/signal-origin/the observer senses that it's lost the ego(the human-ego), yet they can still observe this because they don't lose their consciousness/mind/soul-seed however because they did not develop a heavenly-identity their seed`s consciousness/Point of Observer does not feel itself to being an independent ego-individual but just a blank/empty-observer. If the animal ego was the origin, then logically when the people would lose their ego, likewise in a DMT trip, they would be dead and non-existent, but this is not the CASE! They still are able to observe and register the information even though they can understand/register the fact that they no longer feel themselves to be an individual person any-longer, because they lose their human-identity, even though for a limited period of time.
If my logic is correct, than it is logical to assume that if an ascended person, with an developed soul-seed who already had established a heavenly-identity, if this kind of person takes such drug, I would assume that there will not be a sense of ego-loss, if anything the sense of I - (Identity), will be even more powerful, because the heavenly identity will be less attached to the animal body.
However, one can always think inside the box and just say that the drug just messes up the brain and therefore everything is just hallucinations and the drug might shut-down the part of the brain that is responsible for the ego/The sense of I and thus people experience ego-death. But there are inconsistencies in such explanations if one to go into deep logic, such as above. The 100% materialistic view extremely narrows the possibilities in reasoning objectively! I would say it is like putting a speed-limiter of 50km/h on a Ferrari, hehe.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 25, 2019 8:28:03 GMT
Immanuel, what is your take on the phenomena of ego-loss in people who try psychedelic-drugs such as DMT for example? The users say things like "I had no sense of self, no I, It was total ego-loss" and etc. But at the same time people who try DMT, some of them even say things like "Explaining a DMT trip is like explaining color to a blind man." But ego-loss is a consistent effect that in people`s experiences. My take on this, is the following: When the people ingest the drug, the drug weakens/lessens the connection/attachment of the mind/seed/soul from the human body. This way they start to see things which already exist beyond this human-world but due to the attachment to the human body was not possible to experience/sense beforehand. Why though they experience an ego-loss or a lossof the sense of self, it might be because due to the fact that their mind/soul-seed/--observer were not developed through their human-lives to have an independent heavenly-ego/identity. Which means that they only had earthly-human-body ego/identity. Because of this when the drug breakdown/lessens the mind/soul-seed`s attachment to the body their consciousness, aka. the heavenly-seed/signal-origin/the observer senses that it's lost the ego(the human-ego), yet they can still observe this because they don't lose their consciousness/mind/soul-seed however because they did not develop a heavenly-identity their seed`s consciousness/Point of Observer does not feel itself to being an independent ego-individual but just a blank/empty-observer. If the animal ego was the origin, then logically when the people would lose their ego, likewise in a DMT trip, they would be dead and non-existent, but this is not the CASE! They still are able to observe and register the information even though they can understand/register the fact that they no longer feel themselves to be an individual person any-longer, because they lose their human-identity, even though for a limited period of time. If my logic is correct, than it is logical to assume that if an ascended person, with an developed soul-seed who already had established a heavenly-identity, if this kind of person takes such drug, I would assume that there will not be a sense of ego-loss, if anything the sense of I - (Identity), will be even more powerful, because the heavenly identity will be less attached to the animal body. However, one can always think inside the box and just say that the drug just messes up the brain and therefore everything is just hallucinations and the drug might shut-down the part of the brain that is responsible for the ego/The sense of I and thus people experience ego-death. But there are inconsistencies in such explanations if one to go into deep logic, such as above. The 100% materialistic view extremely narrows the possibilities in reasoning objectively! I would say it is like putting a speed-limiter of 50km/h on a Ferrari, hehe. If they lost their ego/identity in this condition it is because they have no status of Being. The easiest way of explaining it is to say the drug disrupts the brain's motivational drive so that it longer has any ego-driven will to do anything so the sense for the user is that there is no identity since you cannot sense the "symptoms" you normally sense i.e. that the body has any will. If you can no longer sense the body's motivation then it would probably feel like a loss of ego/identity. This effect is probably enhanced like you wrote due to that the person did not build up a sense of Being on mental level, so the sensation is surely very intense since they rely on the body to function and in this condition it does not. Unfortunately you cannot cheat this way, it might sound tempting to use a drug like this to develop the mind. However, you do rely upon the stimulus from the body to exercise the mind, it would be like if a weight lifter suddenly removed the weights when working out. So the one who thinks this is a good idea and starts using this in order to strengthen the mind is deluding himself/herself since without the exercise of mental will to "lift off the bodily urges" then you shall have an opposite effect i.e. you will fail to develop yourself. This is also a reason why you in this stage of existence is inside one of these bodies because it offers stimulus. It is one aspect of why, not the only reason. The reason is multi-faceted. Using the mind for activity which only this entity can do also evolves it. Only a mind can think in new abstract ways by its own will and not instinctive. The spark of doing unique, non-stereotypical things is lighting the flame of the spirit of the mind. It is the independent thinking which stimulates its growth. But most important is to learn to separate the spirit from the flesh (like Jesus said), you cannot mix the two when you are to think. You need to use the mind independently. This is something worth contemplating on for many hours on a frequent basis and to reflect regularly on what you failed on during daytime that particular day, and then think out a way of preventing it.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 25, 2019 8:49:19 GMT
I see what you mean Immanuel. There is a branch of people who use psychedelics to get rid of their ego and become one with God. But it just makes me think they are ignorant. Because why would you ever want to lose your ego? In other words, why would you ever want to lose yourself? It seems like spirituality is very crooked these days, at least the understanding of spirituality among the masses.
However at the same time, when I read the trip-reports of these people, the things they tell at least on paper sounds supernaturally out of this world. However, I want to know is it even possible to have such experiences without any drugs but by just increasing the level of being? Have you had any out of this world experiences yourself, if you are willing to share of course?
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 25, 2019 11:17:44 GMT
It is ignorant because the truth about "God" actually more about towards polytheism, although it is also a singularity you join, a singularity called Elahem which contains the word Hem هم and which means "them" in English. A word which uses a pluralis cannot be singular meaning we speak about a polytheism inside a singularity (Elahem).
But if you are not a Being you are not in Elahem, you do not exist for real and this is because you are deluded and believe you are to relinquish your being, and this is a false teaching to believe you are to surrender yourself to not exist as an individual. The truth is that they (Elahem) are expecting consciousness.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 25, 2019 14:35:56 GMT
I have been slightly glitching out of this world but not more than a sensation of a faint hovering above my own head. I do feel very light overall in my attachment to the body however. Usually it feels more like controlling a machine.
My perception and consciousness is very sharp, I can think on several layers of thoughts at the same time, sometimes so flooded stream that I surprise or overwhelm myself. This helps come to logical conclusions very fast when comparing multiple factors simultaneously. In fact I see no limits basically.
At the same time it feels dull for me to deal with humans because most feel extremely sluggish, one-sided and stuck in stereotypical thinking patterns without the ability to analyze things from as many angles as myself - at the same time.
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Post by Immanuel on Jan 25, 2019 14:46:46 GMT
Another thing is when I am to talk about some topic like on this forum and people have misconceived ideas, they automatically get stuck in preconceived ideas of what I speak about, so it makes it incredibly hard to have a communication where they have not already decided what I mean without understanding of what I really mean.
People argue things which have no logical consistency and do my head in, and yet they never appear to give up. They get stuck at societal-infused ideas, not really their own, and cannot expand on the topic and logic, and see at it objectively. One example is the very overwhelming probability that there exists a supernatural force behind the universe, it is more improbable that the universe would exist without such a force. They cannot think the multiple layers deep level of logic which is required to have an intelligent communication.
Usually I defend myself against this by simply ignoring the person in question, and albeit this might seem arrogant by me, it is a way of not wasting time where using time is ineffective. Take Jeffrey in the Guest section for example. It is futile to continue with it.
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Post by hftwo on Jan 26, 2019 5:15:42 GMT
Yes, it is quite a difficult challenge to communicate an idea to someone who already made their mind and don't want to think open minded.
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