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Post by Wanderer on Jul 20, 2019 19:41:45 GMT
Which of these "Philosophies" is closest to "Elohim" ? And Immanuel if You could live in a Universe such as The Star Wars Universe as Jedi orr example , would you choose this option or You literally do not want to live in a body anylonger any more? I though to ask these questions because I think it is obvious to a perceptive Eye that You Have a special place in Your Heart for the Star Wars Franchise 😄
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 22, 2019 8:01:49 GMT
Which of these "Philosophies" is closest to "Elohim" ? And Immanuel if You could live in a Universe such as The Star Wars Universe as Jedi orr example , would you choose this option or You literally do not want to live in a body anylonger any more? I though to ask these questions because I think it is obvious to a perceptive Eye that You Have a special place in Your Heart for the Star Wars Franchise 😄 Yes and no, I would want to be an ethereal being which can manifest itself into the world when necessary but not in attachment to it. No more Jehennom for me if I can. The comparison using Star Wars is "cool" but it is hard to perfectly compare it by those terms. Reason is the Jedis strive for peace which is correct, and they strive for knowledge. They do not embrace emotion which is perfectly correct. Passion is not good, emotion is not good nor is chaos. I understand this philosophical approach is based on my thread about living as "those who are (a)being", but the parameters on each side in that thread are to be avoided at all costs, whereas this comparison between Sith and Jedi says you should embrace pieces of each side in order to be balanced. The Jedi spirituality in the movie saga is obviously based on East Asian philosophical approaches to life. As a final word and as a defense of your proposition, yes the Jedi can have a vain effort of spreading good in the movies as if it matters in a world of corruption, but the solution is not to embrace the philosophy of the Sith, at all, no parts of what is suggested in the in between part of the illustration. Compared to the story there is "no disturbance in the force" in the real world, Elahem have perfect control over the "simulation" and the only disturbance is in people themselves. In fact it is "the Force", in the real world, which causes disturbance in humans as in that Elahem disturbs their minds. Only someone powerful mentally can affect the Force whereas weak minded (like in the Star Wars franchise) cannot, and the weak minded can be controlled by the Force and these powerful individuals (like Jedi mind trick). But Elahem makes sure there is no imbalance in the Force, this situation does not occur.
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Post by Wanderer on Jul 22, 2019 17:00:24 GMT
Well, if it is the Elohim which has 100% control over our "simulation" than it means any disturbing aspects of this world is due to Them. There is no one to blame other than Them. Afterall they engineered everything in this universe with + the humanity on earth.
Next time you see someone's head being sawed off, or some kids slaughtered an entire village of people burned, don't forget it is Elohim who creates this and let it be so.
When someone is born repulsively ugly, and due to this He/She suffers ridicule, alienation, and bad-treatment in general form his/her fellow human-beings, don You forget it is Elohim to do this that system is like this. Don't You forget that every evil thing which you would not choose to do Yourself, is done by Elohim by forcing its will on this simulation and making it be so how they are willing and make the creatures therein act so how they are willing.
If we to look at Elohim and the ways they don't give an impression of like of a Jedi-Council for example.
If I can see it and judge it for what it is and see that it is "wrong" in the words of common sense, then AM I BETTER IN MY COMPASSION THEN ELOHIM?
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 22, 2019 22:19:20 GMT
It depends on the factors you count in. Yes, they are to give responsibility for the conditions present and if someone does something unconsciously then yes it was Elahem that is the underlying reason for it. On the other hand humans have the spirit seed called their mind and an evolving ability to act independently, so if they learn to be able to control what occurs then this adds a responsibility in itself as they could act in a certain way by their own conscious awareness.
And I do agree that the world is exceptionally cruel, even horrible and I hate every moment of it. It testifies that Elahem did not have any sort of moral problems in creating the world as we know it. The human is driven like an animal with its instinct and it was Elahem who did make it so, and the only way to not act in a barbaric, primitive way is to evolve the mind into breaking the behavioral pattern by conscious rebellion towards it as you becoming angry or sad is just instinctive. It is extremely hard not to become upset by the bizarre world we live in, one must know it is a staged environment and made to be provoking, and to break you down even. It is not particularly kind no, not mentioning that you live in complete ignorance as in thinking you are native to the body in which you reside and that this is your nature as a Homo sapiens.
But this is a form of scenario, added environmental variables and with you taking part in it while unaware of it. It is placing you like right into a computer game while wiping your mind and everything about who you are and every time you die in game you also get a wiped or suppressed memory and start over, and the only way out is if you complete the game objectives which are also ambiguous and hidden and the game does not even show you any sort of hint what it is about, you just appear around a society in the game which expects you to work for money and you go and do that day in and day out, waking up every morning to do the same daily grind. You meet some people and chat about some completely irrelevant things you believe have any importance related to the game you are playing (which you believe is your existence).
What should you do?
What is the most important thing?
You need to become aware and you must break habits, get out of what motivates you as a Homo sapiens, the kind of programing of the avatar you are inside the game. It is like the Sims if you ever played it, it is a good parable, your body is your autonomous (and stupid as we sense the sims to be inside the game) will and it just simply does things on habit, and often illogical and vain things instead of efficient, while you as a player clicks in better choices of actions instead and in a febrile way cancels the stupid choices of the AI. Now imagine the AI is your body instead and the input of the player to be your mind. You need to do just like in the game and cancel all the stupid things the Sim does and instead steer it towards what evolves it. In real life the control over the avatar (body) is what evolves the mind and by not letting it do autonomously what it wants to do. If you relinquish that control you instead let it control and your conscious control becomes suffering.
Ironically we can say you want to break apart from Elahem and Elahem's control as Elahem give the auto-input on the Sim and its behavior, you as a player needs to become a more involved actor and that you become by deciding to be a more present being. They are shaping an independent being, this is their purpose of why you exist in the first place, it is not for their amusement in some perverted entertainment.
I cannot at all answer why this environment had to be so incredibly painful and dreadful, perhaps it is to give a reason to hate it? Only someone in delusion wants to stay here instead of committing suicide right away, but if you know the whole truth you also know you cannot do that because it solves nothing as you have things you must undergo with yourself which is evolution of the mind.
There are things that we can do to make our stay better or worse though, it is often our attachment to the bodily and vain desires which cause us to place ourselves in situations we do not need.
I know the above is not exactly the answers to your question(s), but at least it touches the surface of your question and things around it. A bit of your question is why should not we be evil as Elahem made the world innately evil and should therefore be evil themselves. That is actually the guile with this world, we are driven to play along in this evil world doing just the things which makes it evil and corrupting. The underlying reason is, very ironically enough, good while the environment the good is being performed in is incredibly tough and tragic to say the least. You can play along and be evil and act like Sith or play the Jedi when it fits you, or the perceived situation, for example you want to avenge someone's calamity due to some person, but you play it right into the hands of those who put you in that sort of delusion and made you to act a certain way instinctively. To act the Jedi by good deeds when it is a noble cause, or punish the evil murderer harshly because you are angry like a real Sith that is just playing along and keeping yourself to the game.
You should not be what you suggested, neither Jedi nor Sith, you should not even play along in the setup of the world as this is the deception of it. And this is illustrated in the thread about living as the being ones of not having emotions because emotions is exactly why they torture you or reward you, they want to challenge you as they test all the individuals taking part. You can show two kinds of reactions to an event, positive or negative, and best is to be something neutral which is in between and not strongly in any direction.
I am working with these things in myself and it is incredibly difficult to not reacting in a particular way towards everything that goes on around you. The world is scripted to provoke your emotions, the events that take place and it being nigh world war, it is hard not to be angry or sad, or happy when misfortune befalls those you consider evil.
Jesus was early with that, he said that to prevent Satan (or the instinct as it is resembling) you should consciously convince yourself to care for your enemies rather than despise them. His teachings are good in a time like this, or a time like it has been in all eras of humanity...
People who wake up to the truth must accept that the body is in itself bad and it is a plain deception that it is like this. The thread about balance is an elaboration and explanation of what Jesus taught, he meant that you must separate the spirit from the flesh, and he meant it literally and that is written in the Gospels available most readily. He said it well, but people must take it seriously and accept it includes EVERYTHING that makes a human with its body. Being happy, sad, angry or you name it, it is just bodily reactions and it does not matter it is a positive or negative emotion, INSTINCTIVE EMOTIONS ARE BAD FOR THE MENTAL EVOLUTION. In between lines of problematic translations this is also what the man Jesus taught.
So in essence Elahem have been unkind to you, placed you in a miserable world, in a deception, but in order to make something out of you. They do on a most high level deceive you and let you bond extremely with the body you reside in and even autonomously drives you to do what it takes pleasure in. Are they using evil means of achieving the goals? From a human perspective yes, they use evil ways to accomplish the desired results. They do use evil to accomplish good, and yes I know this is exactly your point with your reasoning with me and you tell that if this is acceptable behavior why should you care not to do the same?
They seek you to exercise a behavior which drives you to your doom however, it is not wise to play along with a behavior innate to your body even if they gave it to you as part of a deception.
You do also not necessarily lose your mental progress by not acting Jedi as in doing earthly heroic deeds or doing something bad against the law as long as the underlying thought was legitimate. Just alike Elahem it is always about what is the most logical thing to do regardless of it is good or bad. What is bad about living is to obey the call of nature i.e. the will of the body of yours and as long as you are 100% it was not it which made you act in a specific way it does not matter what you did as long as it was wise.
This is something which the ancient story about Moses and the co-traveler wished to teach. Moses got upset about his apparent evil and mean ways along the way, but he always had good intentions even when he did bad things right there and then. He did:
1. Lecture the son of some parents in one way or another, we cannot really tell exactly what he did, possibly he did talk to his parents, taught them some tricks and perhaps had to get rough with the rebellious son, something which Moses got very upset about, but regardless it was because the man saw that without this firm treatment it would go bad for this young man and sometimes you need to deal firmly with children, something people would need to remember today. I am not saying beating children, but dare and have energy to clearly show authority as someone meant to act as guides in a human's early life. Children do require guidance and a lot of it, it is the best thing they can get early on. Anyways, no matter what the co-traveler did, he got loud and rowdy with the son, and this is why Moses got upset.
2. Drilled holes in some random people's boats. Moses got furious by this. The co-traveler saw ships sailing in the direction of another faction seeing that if he sunk or in other ways destroyed the boats, they would not be used for warfare or whatever motive he had for destroying them.
There is more to the story, but you probably get the point. The point is it is not much about what you do but why you do it. Mankind has invented laws for both this and that, to protect property and the underlying thought can be good but also bad. Mankind is obsessed with the right to private property and that you can own things, but what the heck is owning something anyways? Now I am teaching immorality by human measurements, but this what I tell is true. Who gives who the right to own things? Humans themselves claim you can own things and forced people to play by those rules.
In truth you could potentially just do whatever you like and disobey laws in anarchy although this might get you into trouble, but from the perspective of Elahem they do not care about this, although for your sake of being it is best that you do not do anything for the sake of your instinct, and that means you do not really need to do illegal things, except if you need it does not really matter. If you are hungry you can just go into someone's field and pick some crops, is a matter of parable. Or if you are frozen you can just break into someone's home (preferably when they are not there). It can be difficult to do it without ending up in prison though, but at least you have food there.
Anyways, you get my point on immorality and by mankind made ruled of living and why the right to owning private property is ridiculous. It is all these rules and following them which adds to the prison in which we find ourselves living in.
At the same time we feed all those vultures who want to suck money out of you by playing their game. When you buy things you do not really need you act instinctively. You buy unnecessary services. You do buy a car you do not really need. You buy the latest smartphone which is not very different from your old, just to show you follow trends and what everyone else does.
You know what Jesus taught? He taught to be rebellious towards norms, even laws, it was not necessarily religious, it was just that lawmaking and religion went hand in hand 2000 years ago. He did not accept private property very much, although he did not accept more than what he needed.
Obey laws when you can to avoid problems, but from a moral perspective it does not matter. But do not ever harm another being, it says itself, you would not want to do to another what you do not wish them to do to you. Never exploit another being, making them suffer from what you do, if a loaf of bread per day is what they have do not take it because you need it too.
But avoid doing unnecessary pursuits out of jealousy of what others have. Only ever keep what you absolutely need for what you do, tools etc. If what you do requires a certain quality of tools so be it, but do not overdo what you hold in your possession. Only ever have things considering them to be nothing but tools in the interaction with this world.
It seems like I said it is OK to steal above, but remember you do not want to do to others what you do not want them to do to you. If they own a screwdriver you do not want to steal it, but if they own 100 screwdrivers on the other hand and swim in money...
Well, you understand why possession has no meaning as there is no such things as ownership, but taking what someone needs for their "daily bread" is bad. Someone rich just has no use for what they own, it is just their vain ideas which makes them think they have the right to hold unto the riches. On the other hand you do not need their riches either, so you hopefully never end up where you steal anyways.
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Post by Wanderer on Jul 23, 2019 0:50:53 GMT
Immanuel, look at the 3 Groups of people of which Jesus spoke:
Master explained to me. ‘John, there are three different entities, all of whom are called mankind. There are those who are trapped in physical existence. These eat and sleep. They drink wine and promiscuously engage in sexual intercourse. They act according to instinct, doing whatever pleases their bodies, and whatever does not please their bodies they abstain from doing. They are no different from any other kind of animal. Their bodies become their gods, governing their decisions and their deeds. These form the vast majority of mankind.
"‘Separate from these is a much smaller group which is trapped in mental existence. These have the capacity to be human, although they may never develop that capacity. They govern their choices by their mental processes. They are reasonable and logical, but they cannot rise above the limitations of mortal mind. They act according to rational thinking, doing whatever pleases their minds, and whatever does not please their minds they abstain from doing. Their minds become their gods, governing their decisions and their deeds. These are the servants of the demiurge, who maintain that their way of thinking is right and all others are wrong. They are so convinced of their self-righteousness that they cannot perceive the Sun of Righteousness when it shines right before them.
"‘The smallest group of all consists of those who live on a spiritual plane. These transcend the limitations of mortal existence. They join the angels and rise to dwell among the Eloheim while they are still in mortality. These are not trapped by their bodies or their minds, for they bring body and mind into subjection to the Light within them so that they are transformed into the Divine image. These put on the mind of Christ. They become the Father and the Son, the Son submitting to the Father in every situation.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 23, 2019 5:52:18 GMT
That is quite right, I would perhaps formulate myself a bit differently, particularly about "Father and son" and Christ, but overall it is good.
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