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Post by Johhny on Jul 25, 2019 20:09:48 GMT
Common pre-conceived Ideas about Creator(s) and Sustainer(s) of this reality, a.k.a. God (Phenomena)
When people talk and discuss about Creator(s) and Sustainer(s) of this reality, a.k.a. God people most of the time have a set of pre-conceived ideas and convictions about God, in other words even before the discussion/analysis begins the people have already put "God" into a box/ in which they all agree God has this attributes that are already agreed and seen upon as reality of things even before any discussion takes place.
Here is a list of most common pre-conceived ideas and convictions about God Phenomena:
That He/They - Ultimately Good/Follow Moral Code of "Goodness" That He/They - Ultimately All Powerful That He/They - Immortal - Existing Infinitely That He/They - Exist outside of Time and Space
What Im trying to say that by doing this any discussion is already bias even before it began. Therefore for a truly unbiased discussion these popular convictions regarding God Phenomena must be first discussed about if they are even true and up-to reality of how things are.
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Post by Johhny on Jul 25, 2019 20:18:59 GMT
For example, a Team of Video Game Developers consisting of a variety of different art-directors, programmers, designers and etc. creates a video-game-virtual-world.
This Team created this video-game-world on game-engine This team self-created and has full access to. The team can change/manipulate the game-world any way it wants with without any limitations other than the Teams own creativity. For the creatures inside the Video-Game world, this particular Team of Developers are really like Gods, because they created them and the world they are in and sustain it and they can do whatever they want with the creatures in it and the game-world. However, the creatures might start imagining things about their Creator(s) which are do not represent the Reality of things. They might imagine that whoever created them and their (video-game)-world that He/they must be 1.) Immortal, All-good, have only good intentions for the creatures in the world and for the created world, that they are outside of time and space contrary to the creatures and their game-world.
But it is all not true. The fact that indeed This Team of Developers created and sustains the creatures and their virtual world and have 100% control over it does not make all the other assumptions of the creatures inside the game-world about the Team of Developers, or how these creatures would call them/imagine them as "Gods".
Do You see the reasoning behind this "argument(s)"?
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 26, 2019 8:15:04 GMT
Hello,
Yes, I understand your reasoning. It is true.
One major factor however is that it is hard to destroy something that is alive. But the world itself is designed to pressure down those in it to not evolve, or well ultimately the ulterior goal is not to prevent them from evolving into something, but people are being held back. The reason for the incredible deception of the worldly environment is because they (the game developers as you metaphorize it) expect it to lead to potent beings through it. We have to look at what characteristics they are looking for and as it seems they want independent and mentally strong beings and then if the challenge is strong on the mental part this is being stimulated to grow. It is like lifting weights does make the muscles grow because you trick them to prepare better because they are shown they are not good enough and so they grow to better do the same another time.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 26, 2019 8:27:06 GMT
Perhaps my other post as not really the elicited answer you were waiting for. Humans in general have a preconceived idea of what "God" is usually based on a depiction of a typical human imaginary representation, the god usually seems to expect to be treated like an old-time king with his minions and the god has human instinctive drives associated to it such as jealousy, megalomania and feeling their position cannot be threatened. If you check this you realize the most common representation of "God" is what humans expect it to be.
And like you wrote, they expect "God" to be always good.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 26, 2019 8:27:57 GMT
That we even have to endure this world is evidence that "God" is not really that kind.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 26, 2019 9:35:32 GMT
Now we are wondering off from the aim with your thread, but let us philosophize and make some loose assumptions and play witn linguistics, and it might even be true since deep down etymology is rooted between multiple languages, and especially these as they existed close to each other.
God is Theos in some languages. Dios in other. The 'os/eos' is only a grammatical suffix, so it cannot be included when looking at the etymology.
Anyways, the Semitic etymology for a word with similar spelling is Yadaya يدي. Now this sounds farfetched, but consider the word itself means "to have ability or power over". Jews have said "adonai" about "God" too. By modern terms it is best translated as "a dictator" even if humans speak negatively about the term. The Semitic initial Ye or Alif (as in Adon or Yeda) are only prefixes, so it is the same exclusion rule as in the etymological background via grammar rules as above.
The words' root is also used for a variety of words such as Deen/Diin for system or rule, Medina(teh) for capital (city) and Donya as world. Most do not know the absolute derivative root is the combination of the letters Ye-Da-Ye or alternatively Alef-Dal-Ye.
Anyways, my point is that the word Dio is fairly closely resembling also the ancient Semitic root and the best resemblance for it would be "dictator" or "who rules over" or simply "is in control of/over". This is probably also the original usage of the word a long time ago. We must not forget that in old times the word has in themselves a meaning so you actually say letters that carry meaning to say something and so "God" is not a name but a reference to a role or attribute to someone's standing. The word "God" contains a "G" but interestingly it has the same "D" letter as in the Semitic root. The G in God can also be a corrupted Ye, for example Gehenna actually stems from a word with a Je letter as in Jehennom. So God could possibly be from Yed or Yod.
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Post by Immanuel on Jul 26, 2019 9:37:26 GMT
When anyways playing with old etymology, consider that "God" in Persian is Kho-Da (Khoda).
However, despite what people say, the root of Khoda comes from a word which means "the self" (the I). It is a remnant of the belief that "God" said that "I am that I am" and so their term only refers to the "I am" of that. The term Al-Lah is the third person version of it.
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