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Post by Connor on Oct 29, 2019 20:26:06 GMT
People fear the process of dying and the finality of death, so we spend our entire lives trying to live longer.
People fear the thoughts that creep into their minds when they're left undistracted for too long, so we turn to our jobs, drugs, hobbies, pets, children, etc.
People fear the unknown, so we invent belief systems to fill the uncertainty.
People fear not having the conveniences of a modern life, so we sacrifice ourselves to ensure that our fancy gadgets are always working.
And all this fear does is feed a global system of parasitism, which deep down, everyone hates. It's just biological and societal coercion on a worldwide scale.
From all the possibilites of being conscious why did we have to be a conscious organism as a human on earth, on this fucked up planet, where everything tries to kill and each other to prolong its short days a little longer.
We humans are doomed, nobody knows for sure if the one who created us is a good guy. Why give consciousness and put into such planet as ours with so much idiocracy? It is like torture.
Just answer this question people, would you create such world as ours if you were God? The way this world works?
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 30, 2019 22:54:25 GMT
Hello,
You raise good questions and those are in fact already floating here on this forum. Of many things we understand fairly little.
We have already concluded that "God" is not concerned about being good or evil per human terms. Humans create themselves to define what is good or bad. What if there is no good or evil?
We live in a crazy and mean world, and now recently it is growing ever so much more unstable. Why would we be under these conditions?
Well, "God" is not concerned about that we experience the treatment as friendly, because the situation for us on here is not friendly even remotely; we get ill, get pains and all sorts of things and that feels pretty much real to us regardless if this is a plain illusion or not!
Why would we be exposed to that? What is the benefit of "God" for doing it?
From the perspective of "God", they expect superior specimens and they are not concerned by their methods of achieving what they want, that we have empirical evidence of as we can experience it ourselves very manifestly.
How does the very bad treatment matter? How does it do anything or anyone any good?
The whole world is a great deception hiding something else and "God" actually want it to be difficult to believe in anything other than the predicament we are in, they want us to use the spark of our souls and what light is therein to guide ourselves into a greater understanding. Perhaps ironically it is per the challenge that we grow stronger, if we can adapt, and to adapt we need to evolve by developing ourselves.
What must be developed? Our mind, which is our soul and opposite of our body, it needs to become stronger.
Our bodies is like the weights of a weightlifter, we need to push them away from ourselves repeatedly in order to exercise the mind, it is the way to master control. Control of the mind and enhanced consciousness is what you seek. This grows for every day you can make the mind decide for the body what it must do instead of letting the body decide for the mind what to do. Without this exercise we are weak and when we have no personal integrity we do not exist, not to any greater extent at least!
What you see in the world was "coded" to act as deception, it is all to make it hard for you to believe in anything. "God" have no plans of quantity but they look for quality, and so the task at hand is extremely difficult, even finding the loose thread and not just accepting the world for what it looks like. A tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, miniscule fragment of people on Earth have any development to talk about.
The answer to why the world seems so bad is multi-faceted thus. You are not meant to, if reflecting rationally, feel that the world is a good place, and hence begin to think deeper. And the world is as bad as it is due to the human (bodily) nature, without the body Homo sapiens the world would not look like it does. But Homo sapiens is an animal and it becomes very dangerous in conjunction with unstable, lost minds. Confused, instinctive individuals are causing the problems that exist in the world.
Piece of advice; practice on not becoming upset by how the world looks like, part of the situation is to lure you into an emotional response. If you let yourself be upset it only worsens your attachment to it. People will die, people will do things that can upset you, but you must stay calm in the wake of adversity. Instinctive responses are bad.
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Post by Connor on Oct 31, 2019 15:34:48 GMT
Immanuel, sometimes amidst the chaos stimuli of the world, it's unfairness, imperfection and ugliness... Inside my mind I find this feeling that things could have been much better. If I can imagine a more perfect world, what can I say about God?
Therefore logically I conclude that for some reason(s) God chooses this world to be the way it is. If God does so without any reasons then it would just make him look evil for no apparent reason no?
And about the matter of evil, evil does exist no? When for example a person chooses to slaughter someone's entire family for no reason other than his own amusement, wouldn't you consider such action as evil? Especially when the person doing the action understood the real consequences of this action? If somebody rapes someone's family member infront of the family holding the person tied and doing this while laughing in my face wouldn't I think to myself that this IS evil if there is such a thing as to be called evil?
How much evil was done for the cause of "greater good"? Like when Hitler nazis killed jews in order to save the german-Aryan race?
Or because our reality is just an illusion in the eyes of God then from his perspective it doesn't really matter whatever happens in this simulated reality. But as You said also, we are still real and when we experience the things in this "simulated" reality it still us who are experiencing it, and we are real.
But again if this world is a contradiction and God is total opposite of this world, consider this please: If God could come with these ugly sides of this world, how could God come up with these ugly parts of the design of this world if He is the total opposite?
Because usually religious people consider God separate to our world which is his creation. So they say our world is an imperfect place while God is fully perfect. And whatever bad parts of this reality the religionists blame on a scapegoat they call devil.
It is like good cop bad cop.
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Post by Connor on Oct 31, 2019 15:54:49 GMT
It is quite the paradigm shifting revelation when One realizes that the ground one's own feet stand upon with the entire reality around is just a simulation/imaginary, and could literally collapse into a void if God willed so. And that one's life hangs on a thin line, for example my heart stops and that Will be it for my life on earth. And knowing God's power, God could whatever God wills me. It is the realization that ultimately we are extremely dependent on God due to the power God posses.
Also recently in the morning, I woke but couldn't open my eyelids as if someone else forcefully did not let me do so and amidst the darkness I was seeing I saw a word/sentence in Hebrew shining wihh a golden light. I believe it was a sentence because it was not short, but again I do not know Hebrew so I have no idea how it works in this language. Im thinking it might have been "God" or someone "not-human" trying to give a message to me but what's the point if I don't know Hebrew? 🤔
Or maybe it's my instinct to feel important that thinks it might have been God and no just imagination. But again is the sense of one own importance is instinct? Dont God feel its own importance knowing its own power and abilities?
Everything can't be instinct? Right?
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 31, 2019 21:13:23 GMT
It is quite the paradigm shifting revelation when One realizes that the ground one's own feet stand upon with the entire reality around is just a simulation/imaginary, and could literally collapse into a void if God willed so. And that one's life hangs on a thin line, for example my heart stops and that Will be it for my life on earth. And knowing God's power, God could whatever God wills me. It is the realization that ultimately we are extremely dependent on God due to the power God posses. Also recently in the morning, I woke but couldn't open my eyelids as if someone else forcefully did not let me do so and amidst the darkness I was seeing I saw a word/sentence in Hebrew shining wihh a golden light. I believe it was a sentence because it was not short, but again I do not know Hebrew so I have no idea how it works in this language. Im thinking it might have been "God" or someone "not-human" trying to give a message to me but what's the point if I don't know Hebrew? 🤔 Or maybe it's my instinct to feel important that thinks it might have been God and no just imagination. But again is the sense of one own importance is instinct? Dont God feel its own importance knowing its own power and abilities? Everything can't be instinct? Right? If you could remember the letters and write them down if you did not already, I would appreciate if you could show me what the sentence was. Even part of the sentence would be better than nothing. I can interpret Semitic words and even whole passages even if my area of expertise is (ancient) Arabic. "God" (I use the quotation markers because it is a questionable term for something that would have a better term) have communicated with me through other people and their words before.
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Post by Connor on Oct 31, 2019 21:39:55 GMT
Immanuel, forgive me but it was so that when I saw those letters I only could comprehend that it was Hebrew letters but because the language is so distant from me I couldn't write it down, even if I tried right after it was shown to me (it was shown for brief seconds 3-5 seconds I would say)
I read somewhere in the bible(i think) where a person re-remembered something he forgot by means of fasting. I will fast starting from tomorrow and hopefully try to distance my mind further from the body in order to re-connect to that memory to remember what was shown in those brief-seconds.
I'm sure it must have been something important, because when this happened I felt my entire body under "pressure" of some sort of energy, like a magnet pulling my entire body away from it.
And I just want to say, I'm losing "hope" for any genuine "happiness" in this world, therefore my mind tells me that the only logical way to proceed forward is to put all my effort into the non-physical aspect of existence, the mind etc. I know that the 10. aids given by Moses is the minimum criteria for the development of the mind, but I would like to learn more and be devoted to something which has true importance and not for mere nonsense we has humans spend our time and effort on earth.
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Post by Connor on Oct 31, 2019 21:46:31 GMT
It is not always one hears from someone that they communicated with "God" or the better term as you would prefer. If I may know did "God" seem friendly/non-friendly, demanding, dominating etc.? How is "God" like when you get to communicate with "God"?
I'm very interested in getting to know the creator of this realm, even though maybe from "Gods" point of view "God" would deem me not-so-important to spend his/her/its time to commune with me, but if "God" gave me existence would "God" have some bit responsibility for me as an existing being? Or any other being on earth?
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 31, 2019 21:55:09 GMT
Immanuel, sometimes amidst the chaos stimuli of the world, it's unfairness, imperfection and ugliness... Inside my mind I find this feeling that things could have been much better. If I can imagine a more perfect world, what can I say about God? Therefore logically I conclude that for some reason(s) God chooses this world to be the way it is. If God does so without any reasons then it would just make him look evil for no apparent reason no? And about the matter of evil, evil does exist no? When for example a person chooses to slaughter someone's entire family for no reason other than his own amusement, wouldn't you consider such action as evil? Especially when the person doing the action understood the real consequences of this action? If somebody rapes someone's family member infront of the family holding the person tied and doing this while laughing in my face wouldn't I think to myself that this IS evil if there is such a thing as to be called evil? How much evil was done for the cause of "greater good"? Like when Hitler nazis killed jews in order to save the german-Aryan race? Or because our reality is just an illusion in the eyes of God then from his perspective it doesn't really matter whatever happens in this simulated reality. But as You said also, we are still real and when we experience the things in this "simulated" reality it still us who are experiencing it, and we are real. But again if this world is a contradiction and God is total opposite of this world, consider this please: If God could come with these ugly sides of this world, how could God come up with these ugly parts of the design of this world if He is the total opposite? Because usually religious people consider God separate to our world which is his creation. So they say our world is an imperfect place while God is fully perfect. And whatever bad parts of this reality the religionists blame on a scapegoat they call devil. It is like good cop bad cop. The Semitic (Arabic) word which is equivalent of the English evil is ظلم za-lam, but it does not literally mean evil but the meaning is dark. So when used in a sentence you say "you do darkness". The Semitic languages are very descriptive in their way of conveying what one wants to say. What exactly do you think it implies when you say you do a dark thing? Yes, obviously you do something you sometimes out of ignorance, lack of control, you stumble around doing the deed in the darkness like a fool. For something to be evil per the Semitic definition (which is a plain "divine" language) the person must do it with no control of mind, for no rational purpose. And no, this does not defend any maniacal deed from for example Hitler and the Nazis, you can see that from asking yourself whether they had a rational purpose with control of mind. Whoever human does act on instinct is not a mind in control. So anyone who acts on instinct does an evil thing per definition, one way or another, if you reflect on it. For someone without sufficient underlying contemplation it may seem beautiful with some instincts, and even rational, but all that is blinding. Everything out of (mental) control is darkness, and that is evil in English. Murder and rape are just two examples of extremities driven by the instinct and darkness. To be precise murder and rape depend on the instinct of domination. With no control, even if it sounds horrible to you and other people, it is perfectly normal to the body, it will be turned on by murdering a person when the instincts really tick in, it is they gross. Most world-assimilated humans love violence, they watch pretty gross violence in such as movies or they play games where you murder other humans even if it is fiction, it is part of the nature of Homo sapiens, accepting it or not. Even the first step of even embracing violence in the form of playing is darkness, or evilness in English. Now I described the human behavior and the underlying instinct, of course it is more gross if you kill a human in reality than if you kill a human inside a video game, but the drive to do so is exactly the same as that you are driven to kill stuff in games and to dominate, that is the animal in you calling. It is worth keeping in mind and reflect if to tone down on it, especially when play to compete against live people, then it is extremely easy to fall to involving the motivation to dominate. Even seemingly healthy people can be driven to kill, look at how many people Hitler rallied to go to war. Do you think every German was mentally ill in the 1930's? This is a testimony that the human mind can be incredibly easily manipulated to murder. Loads of Germans became murdering machines, they were murderers, quite easily. And history will probably repeat itself, and it already does, people murder others because of some conviction they have about things and then the instinct of domination as part of the group comes into play. That is instinct. It is easy to become a murderer, you can become crazy quickly with sufficient motivation to do so, unless you have lots of self-control and not allow yourself to be caught up in instinctive rallying and being led by other people. Allowing yourself to not be your own master but look up to other people is a bad, bad idea. In the upcoming World War 3 it is good to remain in control, not join sides and remain shrewd to avoid conflict. It is meaningless to fight for any side, next world conflict tears the world apart completely and whoever fight will fall, that was written in Isaiah about this prophecy. People will no longer fight as countries eventually but more like shattered populations against each other, with remnants of nations at best who try desperately to uphold order and supremacy.
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Post by Connor on Oct 31, 2019 21:57:44 GMT
But I guess what is very true in what you are promoting is the idea that one should become the change one desires, to set a very-high standard to one-self and follow it sincerely. Where people should stop acting the "victim-role" blaming everyone including "God", but be that perfection that we desire deep inside our Being. But maybe again thats what people dont wnat to hear, they want someone else in the form of a messiah to come down form the skies and fix them including the whole world. Maybe laziness IS the root of many evil.
It reminds me of this very beautiful poem :
When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.
I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.
When I found I couldn't change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn't change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.
Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.
Author: Unknown Monk 1100 A.D.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 31, 2019 22:34:23 GMT
It is not always one hears from someone that they communicated with "God" or the better term as you would prefer. If I may know did "God" seem friendly/non-friendly, demanding, dominating etc.? How is "God" like when you get to communicate with "God"? I'm very interested in getting to know the creator of this realm, even though maybe from "Gods" point of view "God" would deem me not-so-important to spend his/her/its time to commune with me, but if "God" gave me existence would "God" have some bit responsibility for me as an existing being? Or any other being on earth? I did pass that test already, when "God" tries to trick you unto the common religious path. I was tested, and I was having an inside conflict too, but I saw through the charade, I even dared to challenge the voice. Soon, after much threats of doom for disobedience etc, the voice did proclaim that "congratulations you passed the test". Yes, I was being tested with the traditional imagery of God and usual nonsense. I was slightly worried at first for disobeying, even somewhat frightened, and the threats were not exactly friendly. I was told when I asked about the real thing "You have already been told albeit cryptically". Whatever "God" told was by measure of metaphor, and yes by studying what was ever told it was possible to understand. Also I possess the mysterious ability to interpret Quran and simply understand things given little input, it is as if the language speaks to me. Through that I can read whatever words were intended for me, because interestingly whatever I need to know can be found in there. Sadly I feel extremely alone here in this world, even if I feel my own consciousness. It is as if I live among monotonous robots, that is incredibly tiring in the long run. It is definitely not stimulating. This is why I am strengthened when there is someone mentally stronger than the average who contact me here or anywhere else. It is even better if they relay a message from "God". You asked more about how "God" is/are when communicating? Ok Well as you may understand the tone is very emotionless yet eloquent at the same time. The speech is virtually flawless and extremely formal. I have sensed a sense of humor however between the lines though, it is just that the level of control is perfect. "God", or Elahem, deem any potential subject with remarkable progress to be important and if you are then you may be in the center of action. Our presence here is part of a greater purpose and it is not based on some mere amusement and like I have written before "to have fish in an aquarium as pets". In ways it is exactly like some bizarre experiment with myriad subjects where they monitor individual progress in an isolated environment and leave hints and so on to particularly promising subjects. When they communicate with you it is because you made progress above the ordinary, but you will also be tested with the ordinary religious mumbo-jumbo, and many people fall to that trap, it requires an incredibly strong self-esteem to overcome that and some boldness to dare to reason rationally and question an absolute authority you may even be afraid of. On the contrary when you do not fall for their deceit they are impressed and tell so. My confidence and willpower was commended by Elahem during a communion, but I was warned of being arrogant. Now that I think of it, I was even called Confidence itself. I am amazed that I even mustered such confidence against something like "God", being brave to challenge direct commands I felt were out of line.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 31, 2019 22:57:31 GMT
Immanuel, forgive me but it was so that when I saw those letters I only could comprehend that it was Hebrew letters but because the language is so distant from me I couldn't write it down, even if I tried right after it was shown to me (it was shown for brief seconds 3-5 seconds I would say) I read somewhere in the bible(i think) where a person re-remembered something he forgot by means of fasting. I will fast starting from tomorrow and hopefully try to distance my mind further from the body in order to re-connect to that memory to remember what was shown in those brief-seconds. I'm sure it must have been something important, because when this happened I felt my entire body under "pressure" of some sort of energy, like a magnet pulling my entire body away from it. And I just want to say, I'm losing "hope" for any genuine "happiness" in this world, therefore my mind tells me that the only logical way to proceed forward is to put all my effort into the non-physical aspect of existence, the mind etc. I know that the 10. aids given by Moses is the minimum criteria for the development of the mind, but I would like to learn more and be devoted to something which has true importance and not for mere nonsense we has humans spend our time and effort on earth. Yes, the ten guidelines (which may be a better or more simple English contemporary translation of the ancient expression) is the way to go. Unfortunately they have been twisted over the years and some of them say something vastly different from what they originally did. This is an original translation of them: 1. Be devoted to being one of the Elahem (literally "the being ones") 2. Be not devoted to an image/stereotype 3. Do not take the word to be being for vanity (ex. abuse the rise of your consciousness for various worldly exploits, particularly the weak minded) 4. Keep frequent contemplation (Sabbateh, means to be in reflection) 5. Consider your neighbor as yourself 6. Do not dominate (him) 7. Do not exploit (him) 8. Do not trick (him) 9. Do not lie (to him) 10. (And) do not covet your neighbor's... smartphone, car, home and other possessions* * Modern interpretation instead of the ancient oxen etc in the original sentence. The meaning is to not instinctively want to have what your neighbor has because of social norms. Know that in both line 5 and 10 the ancient language uses "neighbor" but it speaks about the neighbor the whole way between 5-10, it is the rhythm of language. This is also why I separated 4 from 5 for demonstration purposes. For clarification Jesus said "..also consider your enemy", it elaborated on it well, because people had begun to make exclusion rules to the law, even if people seem to never have learned anything even if they claim to follow Jesus today. He never told you to love neither neighbor nor enemy, only to keep a value to both neighbor and enemy enough to treat them well even in adversity, and when they make you angry, and Jesus clarified "be not angry with your brother" (it means anyone of the same race).
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Post by Connor on Oct 31, 2019 23:05:55 GMT
Yes, it does make sense that You were commanded for Confidence. Because one's level of Being is closely tied to their level of confidence in themselves. How could someone deem oneself existing if one does not possess confidence in oneself? Usually when someone who is in the position of authority, one can say something and you by your own being judge it to be not-logical, then the authority figure can just use "appeal to authority logical fallacy", like "Yeah it makes no sense, but I am God so it will be so anyways!!"
However, if Elohim is a collective of not one Being but many, doesn't that mean that you communicated just with one part of the collective of which there are many more members of?
So when you describe what was like the being(s) communicating with you it might just show just one portion of the Elohim and what they are like.
When you say that you are lonely, I won't refrain from saying that I too feel lonely, mostly because what interests me (God, Mind, truth(s), realizations ) is something that the people around me usually are not interested in. People mostly want entertainment and amusement for the sake of it for no particular purpose.
So why not become friends Immanuel? I would be very happy if I could be friends with a person such as yourself. I don't know if You believe in "friendship", my personal-journey left me disappointed in friendship because usually people want to friend someone when they need something from you and then when you are of no need they put their attention to somewhere else. But I myself usually tend to romanticize things such as friendship, where I see it more of a relationship where ones is open-hearted, without any ill-intentions and selfless in a healthy way. One might say it sounds naive, but I could say it is about being a person of integrity and higher level of being.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 31, 2019 23:15:22 GMT
But I guess what is very true in what you are promoting is the idea that one should become the change one desires, to set a very-high standard to one-self and follow it sincerely. Where people should stop acting the "victim-role" blaming everyone including "God", but be that perfection that we desire deep inside our Being. But maybe again thats what people dont wnat to hear, they want someone else in the form of a messiah to come down form the skies and fix them including the whole world. Maybe laziness IS the root of many evil. It reminds me of this very beautiful poem : When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world. I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation. When I found I couldn't change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn't change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family. Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world. Author: Unknown Monk 1100 A.D. Yes, on a personal level there is no god to worship, no strange rituals, nothing the likes. What you must do is to grow your "mind seed" which in Arabic is the nufes (nafs نفس, even the very word means something). That you bring with you if you reincarnate even if you change body. What you must do is extremely simple theoretically actually but yet very hard to do in practice. Trying to change others can drive you mad, but if you change yourself you can change others. It is better to show the better self. It is a vain effort to try to change the world, especially since it is prophesied to go bad. It is perhaps heart-warming with people who struggle for the environment and peace and all that, but it is meaningless in the greater picture. In fact becoming hostile rallied for the sake of a group is negative for your development.
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Post by Immanuel on Oct 31, 2019 23:34:45 GMT
Yes, it does make sense that You were commanded for Confidence. Because one's level of Being is closely tied to their level of confidence in themselves. How could someone deem oneself existing if one does not possess confidence in oneself? Usually when someone who is in the position of authority, one can say something and you by your own being judge it to be not-logical, then the authority figure can just use "appeal to authority logical fallacy", like "Yeah it makes no sense, but I am God so it will be so anyways!!" However, if Elohim is a collective of not one Being but many, doesn't that mean that you communicated just with one part of the collective of which there are many more members of? So when you describe what was like the being(s) communicating with you it might just show just one portion of the Elohim and what they are like. When you say that you are lonely, I won't refrain from saying that I too feel lonely, mostly because what interests me (God, Mind, truth(s), realizations ) is something that the people around me usually are not interested in. People mostly want entertainment and amusement for the sake of it for no particular purpose. So why not become friends Immanuel? I would be very happy if I could be friends with a person such as yourself. I don't know if You believe in "friendship", my personal-journey left me disappointed in friendship because usually people want to friend someone when they need something from you and then when you are of no need they put their attention to somewhere else. But I myself usually tend to romanticize things such as friendship, where I see it more of a relationship where ones is open-hearted, without any ill-intentions and selfless in a healthy way. One might say it sounds naive, but I could say it is about being a person of integrity and higher level of being. Yes, it means I communicated with one or actually several individuals of the unity. I have reflected on that. Also I have been able to distinguish multiple psychological personalities in those who spoke. There was a difference in what words were used and that some were remarkably friendly towards me even like if I was a friend. I have wondered who was who sometimes, if one was any of the known prophets who became ascended into Elahem. Know that I may have lived with one of the prophets when they were alive except in another lifetime. The probability I grew remarkably well in a previous cycle in the proximity of a prophet is pretty high. All I hope is that I am not Judas.. I can be your friend, I am your friend already, friend to me is just the positive disposition towards someone. You can count on that I am your friend without any sort of needs from you. I am not friends of people because I need things, I have absolutely no particular worldly needs anymore except a place to dwell.
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Post by Connor on Nov 1, 2019 0:02:25 GMT
I'm glad that from all the billions of people on earth I got the opportunity to meet you 🤝, I'm sincerely glad that I can befriend you.
"All I hope is that I am not Judas.."
Hehe, according to some gnostic gospels if I'm not mistaken, Judas was just doing his "job" because apparently Jesus himself wanted his story to end up on the cross, maybe because then due to its tragic end his story would be more impressionable and thus spread amongst people? I mean we can read in the gospels where Jesus says that the son of man will be murdered in Jerusalem. But again according to the scientists, the gospels were written at least 35 years after his death. But if we to believe to these gnostic gospels it talks about that Judas was one of the closest disciples who really understood what Jesus meant and had to do the most painful part of the job that is betray him to the enemies in order for Jesus to end his journey on by getting killed for his message of "God".
Again maybe it had to be exactly so because due to this tragic ending to Jesus' story it is why his story became popular and still talked about today.
The Gospel of Judas consists of 16 chapters which document Jesus's teaching about spiritual matters and cosmology. According to the text, Judas is the only one of Jesus's disciples who accurately understands the words of his master. This Gospel contains few narrative elements; essentially, the Gospel records how Judas was taught by Jesus the true meaning of his message.
The Gospel contains ideas which contradicted those circulating in the early Christian church. The author says that God is essentially a "luminous cloud of light" who exists in an imperishable realm. Adamas, the spiritual father of all humanity, was created in God's image and dwelled in the imperishable realm.
Jesus mission was to show that salvation lies in connecting with the God within the man. Through embracing the internal God, the man can then return to the imperishable realm.
Eleven of the disciples Jesus chose to spread his message misunderstood the central tenets of his teaching. They were obsessed with the physical world of the senses. The author says that they continued to practise religious animal sacrifice, which pleased the lower gods but did not help to foster a connection with the true God. They wrongly taught that those martyred in the name of Christ would be bodily resurrected.
In contrast, Jesus is able to teach Judas the true meaning of his life, ministry and death. Mankind can be divided into two races, or groups. Those who are furnished with the immortal soul, like Judas, can come to know the God within and enter the imperishable realm when they die. Those who belong to the same generation of the other eleven disciples cannot enter the realm of God and will die both spiritually and physically at the end of their lives. As practices that are intertwined with the physical world, animal sacrifice and a communion ceremony centered around "cannibalism" (the consumption of Jesus' flesh and blood) are condemned as abhorrent. The other Gospels say that Jesus had to die in order to atone for the sins of humanity. The author of Judas expresses the view that this sort of substitutionary justice pleases the lower gods and angels. The true God is gracious and thus does not demand any sacrifice.
So maybe you being judas in the previous incarnation is not so bad? 😉
However, of course, it is hard to tell what exactly happened.
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Post by Connor on Nov 1, 2019 0:14:02 GMT
Also Interesting passage from the Gospel of Judas
Judas 34:6 "I am not laughing at you. You do not do this by your own will, but by this, your god will be worshiped."
'Teacher, are you not the son of our god?'
"Truly I tell you, no generation will know me from the people who are among you."
What is your interpretation of this? This passage comes just shortly after Jesus walks in on the apostles practicing the Eucharist or thanksgiving prayer and began to laugh at them for it.
What I get out of that is the spirit of Jesus the rebel, who was essentially the counterpoint to the rigid law/ritual/customs of the Pharisees. Carl Jung once said of Jesus (paraphrased but close) "If I am to truly imitate Jesus I imitate no one, emulate nothing, but go my own way."
Also reminds me of the time my Philosophy of Religion professor said that Nietzche more accurately captured the essence of Christ's philosophy than the church. Lion of "I AM" fighting the dragon of "YOU SHALL" in Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 1, 2019 23:25:23 GMT
I take religious texts with a grain of salt, both the one you refer to and the Biblical Gospels. They require extensive study.
No historical record, except the one you referred to, reveals what became of the disciples and sources that "throw dirt" on the other I am careful not to jump to conclusions and condemn anyone of historical figures. However, not much of Jesus' teachings survived intact to this day but they are all distorted.
Besides Quran I have studied the Biblical Gospels and I have managed to see typical errors in the interpretation of Semitic words. I have strong indications that the phrases are translations of Aramaic to Greek and so the Gospels were originally in Aramaic, that is what the linguistic inconsistency shows.
I have cause to believe the translators of the original Gospel manifests were not native to Aramaic and if you study carefully the Gospels you can see the interpreter being uncertain of the translation, for example when Jesus yells from the cross. The translator also refrains from translating the word "amen" despite that the word has a normal meaning within the language without having to leave it out. I have strong suspicions the translation already into ancient Greek was poor and so then what we usually have is a translation of an already poor translation.
The translators of the Biblical manifests knew things about Semitic etymology and were probably scholars of their time, but the renditions are still lackluster and it shows they did not master the language. Especially they failed to translate things because of their preconceptions regarding "God" and the doctrine of their day and so when they read certain words they thought they knew what to interpret them as. Examples are "son of God" or the "God" word itself. There are numerous silly translation attempts within the Gospels.
"God" is certainly a mysterious word. They called the phenomenon Elahem. Elahem as a word is wrongfully perceived since literally by their logic it would mean "their God" as it ends in third person plural. But when you translate it the way it is meant to it reads "them being (ones)". Ironically the word is indicative of plural god entities, which is true, i.e. polytheism. For the people in the first millennium AD this did not compute to them and so they conjectured something else and so suddenly "Elahem" did ignore common grammar, for it was not consistent that God would be multiple beings.
Now the truth is that Elahem is singular however but there are multiple entities within one unity, so a better interpretation could perhaps be "those of the being".
"Ib(e)n" is the word for son and "ban" is the word for children. The very marvelous Innate Letter Meanings (each Semitic letter has a fundamental meaning in itself) and for Alef-Be-Nun this would say "be with integrity" so "Ibn Elahem" or "son of God" would read "is with integrity of Them Being Ones". Jesus did furthermore say that anyone who did like him would be children of God, so it literally means they do not need to be born as children of God but become that. So the term son of God has no biological meaning in the context, it just means that you have the characteristics of someone, or simply put "you resemble someone through who you are".
For similar reasons Abraham is called Father Abraham, it does not mean he is necessarily your father but because you consider him your fosterer. The word means to give of yourself, but in real usage terms it means you foster someone in your image. Anyone can be called Abbu per definition, the term is not locked to biological children. This is because you can be Abbu in two ways.
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Post by Immanuel on Nov 1, 2019 23:50:10 GMT
Also Interesting passage from the Gospel of Judas Judas 34:6 "I am not laughing at you. You do not do this by your own will, but by this, your god will be worshiped." 'Teacher, are you not the son of our god?' "Truly I tell you, no generation will know me from the people who are among you." What is your interpretation of this? This passage comes just shortly after Jesus walks in on the apostles practicing the Eucharist or thanksgiving prayer and began to laugh at them for it. What I get out of that is the spirit of Jesus the rebel, who was essentially the counterpoint to the rigid law/ritual/customs of the Pharisees. Carl Jung once said of Jesus (paraphrased but close) "If I am to truly imitate Jesus I imitate no one, emulate nothing, but go my own way." Also reminds me of the time my Philosophy of Religion professor said that Nietzche more accurately captured the essence of Christ's philosophy than the church. Lion of "I AM" fighting the dragon of "YOU SHALL" in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. As I wrote in the previous post the translations may look strange because they are mistranslated. First of all, all words referring to God as most usually wrong. "Your God" is likely referring to their Being as in "by this, your being will be committed" (worship does not exist in what Jesus speaks about). It requires lots of research to know the exact meaning of what he says there. "I am not laughing at you. You do not have to do this if you will, but by doing this your Being will be committed." "Teacher, is it not you who are resembling Those Who Are Being?" "Truly I tell you, none (in the) generation/community will/have learn(ed) from me of the people around you". My interpretation is that Jesus gives them the mission of acting teachers but then the disciples respond like "but you are the prophet, not we?". It appears he speaks of his death and that none except those around him have learned from him thus so far. Reading the Gospels you see Jesus does intensively look up disciples and focus hard on a few.
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