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Post by Lonnie on Feb 25, 2022 7:53:35 GMT
Ok so whars the chance that the ww3 is already on?
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Post by Immanuel on Feb 25, 2022 12:04:09 GMT
From what I have understood there will be more of a societal collapse than an international world war when the time comes. However if the collapse is preceded by a world war I do not know, but time will tell. The collapse is inevitable because it is a prophesied (predetermined) event and such always come true.
The weak-minded are driven towards realizing this collapse via their corporeal instinct and so they are hence unconsciously the cause of it. Anyone letting their instinct fall for the rallying calls will join and it will be their ruin. Such said the prophecy of Isaiah.
Compassion can be good but it can also be a burden. This is important to keep in mind. Compassion can lead to passion and it can become an obsession. Absorbed humans stop to think, they cease to be rational and this invites for the calls of the instinct.
The above leads into the darkness where there is no light. It will douse the flame of life and they will fumble around in there without the ability to see.
There should be no hate in the successful one, anger leads a person astray and such Jesus talked about once upon a time. He said that one should not even be angry with his brother (metaphor for the one next to you). Anger is one of the quickest ways of triggering the instinct and that is bad.
The more you evolve the more (literally as one experiences it) idiots you see around you but this must not affect you and this way the challenge always takes another level as you progress. It is important to remain calm even around fools. Be not arrogant.
People will be evil around you but counter this the best way possible and do not sink to their level but be better than them.
Avoid exclusively taking sides in any conflict because both sides may have points even if it is difficult for you to see and while their methods are not right as their weaknesses cause them to falter, you shall try to see the source of their frustration.
Surprise people, when someone is unkind be understanding. Learn to take sarcasm without it sparking your anger and ask instead why this person is so foul with you, what have you done and if the person tells you that you did him wrong then do something to make it right.
Ask a person who is unkind why he does what he does. Try to reconcile.
Many things in this collapse you cannot control, but you can reduce how much it affects you. The prophecy of Isaiah has a metaphor which says one should not stand on the mountaintops. Reflect upon what it means.
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Post by . on Feb 25, 2022 14:45:11 GMT
So not standing on the mountaintop is literally the opposite to what Jesus said about flyrunning to the mountains no?
I saith says don't go away from conflicts and instinctual people? But Jesus says do so? But if our goal in this life is grow our spirit, the the challenges are a good thing? But at the same time, there are unnecessary ones no?
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Post by Immanuel on Feb 25, 2022 23:32:06 GMT
Like I said, that about the mountaintops is a metaphor and slightly ambiguous.
What it means is to not aim for the peaks of human conflict but keep a low profile. I wrote that those who join them will be ruined, as per the prophecy of Isaiah.
Jesus never said that a person should pick sides, on the contrary he was strictly opposed to it. A true follower of either him or me means one should not be picking sides. To condemn people is not our thing to do.
I wrote that the instinct should never trigger oneself. Anger and hate is an instinctive response and it easily leads to subconsciously join a vain cause and causes one to become ruined.
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Post by yes on Feb 28, 2022 0:17:57 GMT
I wonder on a hypothetical scenario in which your actual home was being invaded, i.e. the house/apartment you live in, and the aggressor wants to demolish the home you live in.
What would be the course of action for a wise one; let them do it, try and (unsuccessfully) talk them out of it / negotiate, defend?
You want no trouble, are not on any side, keeping out of any conflict, but they come after your home. I understand that all you really need is the continuous growth of the soul, but in this sticky situation, which has been happening since humans have been here is quite a challenge.
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Post by Immanuel on Feb 28, 2022 1:18:20 GMT
I wonder on a hypothetical scenario in which your actual home was being invaded, i.e. the house/apartment you live in, and the aggressor wants to demolish the home you live in. What would be the course of action for a wise one; let them do it, try and (unsuccessfully) talk them out of it / negotiate, defend? You want no trouble, are not on any side, keeping out of any conflict, but they come after your home. I understand that all you really need is the continuous growth of the soul, but in this sticky situation, which has been happening since humans have been here is quite a challenge. I have not said that anyone needs to be passive on a foolish level, sitting by when being murdered. But it is wise to stay out of the current situation on Earth as much as possible. Most importantly, safeguard yourself against joining the driving forces on Earth. This is a difficult balance and I never said it is easy. What I have said is to avoid becoming rallied, if you understand what I mean by that. Self-defense is another thing. Of course you shoot if your life is at stake and you really have to. What the entire thing about not climbing the mountaintops means is about making yourself a target. That is any affiliations other than just fending off any immediate threat, otherwise no fight is your fight. Your mental (soul) growth occurs when you do not act instinctively, in any situation when it does not activate, but it does require something to challenge it to fend off an instinctive impulse to begin with. It is the exercised control to avoid succumbing to an instinctive call which is the point. Defense can be both an instinctive and a logical reaction. Defending yourself without triggering the instinct is difficult but should be something possible to train. With risk of sounding terrible, but this is a perfect opportunity to grow spiritually, by not letting the instinct dictate your actions. Immediate execution of an attacker through fury is an example, that is instinctive. As for the rest it should be something you can work out yourself. The current world situation is not a coincidence, the testing is intensifying on the linear expectation of human spiritual progress from milestone to milestone. This era is passing on from one previous era to a new one. We have reached endgame so to speak. As it appears the world (Earth) will break apart in chaos. Perhaps Putin will launch the nuclear warheads. Regardless, it all ending in chaos is inevitable. Losers are those who take to arms because they will be be ruined. Winners are those who stay out of trouble and continue to grow spiritually.
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Post by yes on Feb 28, 2022 1:38:39 GMT
Yes I can see how one can immerse themselves in the current news, and rally towards a cause, be it protests or fighting etc., which can give a constant instinctive drive. I suppose it must be stressed then that like you said, in any situation one must have control of the instinct, otherwise you're open to disorientation and no self/being growth.
Even if one is facing a issue in the future due to the fighting/nukes, self/being growth is to not immerse in this, stay out of debates on it or anything charged/emotional as we know the human is given these problems by Ellahem as a test, so see through it and progress the self/being.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 28, 2022 18:06:19 GMT
. I think sometimes, that nonexistence is the true freedom, because then one is bothered by nothing.
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Post by Immanuel on Feb 28, 2022 19:49:37 GMT
. I think sometimes, that nonexistence is the true freedom, because then one is bothered by nothing. Unfortunately one cannot relinquish who one is, the disturbing rebirth will continue to occur and it will be experienced as something penalizing in the long run. The wisest course of action is to try to stop the cycles rather than just let go and surrender the control to the instinct.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 28, 2022 20:37:36 GMT
I do agree that control should be done all the time. But soemtimes, I wonder if not coming to existence could been better, because then one wouldn't need to care, because there would be no know to care.
But I don't know, maybe the good things in reality does justify existence.
Maybe the existence outside of the human existence is so much better that whatever human testing is is worth it.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 28, 2022 20:39:13 GMT
In the end, it is about kontrol. To be being, ti be control of ones.
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Post by Immanuel on Feb 28, 2022 22:11:14 GMT
I do agree that control should be done all the time. But soemtimes, I wonder if not coming to existence could been better, because then one wouldn't need to care, because there would be no know to care. But I don't know, maybe the good things in reality does justify existence. Maybe the existence outside of the human existence is so much better that whatever human testing is is worth it. I know what you are thinking, that progression is tiresome because of what misery you realize. But no it is not a relief to be wandering in the darkness in the long run. There is a saying called "ignorance is bliss" but it is only a temporary relief. The accumulated pain of remaining in ignorance far outweighs the benefits of escaping from here. Just think of the next time you are in great pain and know this returns over and over again like a nightmare.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 28, 2022 22:18:13 GMT
I hope the exit is worth it.
I mean the fact that there is an exit it's great news itself.
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Post by Immanuel on Feb 28, 2022 23:56:58 GMT
I hope the exit is worth it. I mean the fact that there is an exit it's great news itself. It absolutely is worth it. A soul needs to feel it has a meaning, a purpose, it is a universal thing. Even 'God' has that prerequisite as 'God' is the existence in itself and existence needs a purpose to thrive. This means the religious idea of eternal paradise is horrible as if your life ends in eternal "have it all" without any purpose then you would become depressed and would want to die. What would life be without a purpose? "God's" purpose is to create life and the creation's purpose is just the same, to create life. To create a purpose beyond that is also a purpose in itself. It is a strange loop in multiple dimensions, or rather you could look at it like a chain. Passing along from this world leads to new challenges or occupational tasks if you wish for something which sounds less mundane. You could consider moving on like a big promotion. In this case the first promotion is probably the biggest leap in your existence, becoming ethereal instead of corporeal is a huge lift. The promotion here means ceasing to become reborn on Earth in the flesh over and over again. That is pure hell! It is this which actually is hell per definition. Of course even hell can be more or less tedious, it depends on what you do in life. What goes around comes around. Unfortunately there are two factors; how you control your character and what character you have been already. If you make bad choices in life you also experience bad things. As in bad means you do not make wise and logical decisions.
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Post by yes. on Mar 2, 2022 10:42:06 GMT
is non existence possible and why wouldnt one want that?
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Post by Immanuel on Mar 2, 2022 11:42:46 GMT
is non existence possible and why wouldnt one want that? Complicated question. First of all you are forced to live through countless incarnations so aiming for so little existence as possible is just plain self-torture. The least torturous solution, even if it is unwillingly, is to play along and ascend away from the painful recurring life cycles. So the reason why you would not want that is because you are wisest to choose the lesser of two evils, as the saying goes. Plus non-existence is apparently not possible because no matter what you do you keep rematerializing after the death of your physical body. It is much like in science-fiction horror-themed movies where there is an endless loop of the same thing occurring over and over again. Many religious points are actually true in a way except the definitions of what they are, are misplaced. For example hell exists but it is more of an environment of development. The idea of a purgatory is more exact than hell. "Hell" is not a punishment like religion usually says but a bizarre "survival of the fittest" arena where the strength proven is the mental one rather than the physical. Those not fit to escape remain in there and have to endure more misery. But let us not delve into the moral side of the story. Hell is hence a place to get whole and the original word which the term comes from might be based on the Germanic word 'hel' which not surprisingly means whole. The Semitic word Jehennum means 'the embodiment' with a pretty accurate translation. The goal is to escape embodiment. Non-existence in religious terms might originate from the search for an escape from the bodily but in the true aspect you never enter non-existence except on the physical plane.
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Post by Lonnie on Mar 3, 2022 14:21:00 GMT
I see the logic in what you are explaining, thank you.
But I sincerely think that maybe to never have been born into existence is the best. Because when I didn't exist I had no problems. Of course I didn't have good things too. But do the good things in existence justify the bad? You know?
Sometimes, I think, take your world with you and this body too and leave me be. And if I'm told that "Hey, you don't want to exist?". Sometimes I want to say " Yes, just cease me to exist".
Because I feel sometimes it looks so pathetic, that we cling to "life" so much, by having attachments to the different things life "offers" us. And thus because of our attachments to the "nice" things, we are OK with putting up with the bad things in life.
That's why I think to myself, "hey, why not just cease to exist?" And "Let's these beings have their world/reality, I don't want anything, thank you.".
Because the ones who never came to exist, compared to us, have no problems at all.
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Post by Immanuel on Mar 5, 2022 15:42:16 GMT
Yes I know how you think and your point. Unfortunately we have been forced to live against our will and we cannot stop it. I think the same as you when it is burdensome in life that I wished I could just vanish, not exist as all, so I understand your point entirely.
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