Aviel
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Post by Aviel on Apr 26, 2017 19:00:23 GMT
Hi, Please check this article: It gives scripture references from the Bible Peace
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 27, 2017 6:40:30 GMT
I would call it interpretation acrobatics.
There are many reasons why Jesus responded the way he did.
For example, the one who loves his father or mother more than me is mistranslated from the original Aramaic. He is supposed to say "the one who cares more about his mother and father" so much that they do not care about what teachings Jesus came with. Unfortunately the word love as a choice of rendition makes the sentence a bit awkward. He is speaking about respecting the religious customs of your family so much they miss out on authentic matters.
Besides the intentional interpretation acrobatics of the person of that website, the traditional translation of what Eysua said is also badly translated. It is obvious that the person had the intention of defaming the Gospels deliberately looking to turn it negatively, but simultaneously misunderstanding the point Jesus had.
Perhaps Jesus was a bit sarcastic when he said "do not give what is holy to dogs and pearls to swine", but it is too true. If you give precious material to brainwashed religionists they will tear it to pieces and perhaps trample on you. They will not appreciate the pearls they get.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Immanuel on Apr 27, 2017 7:24:13 GMT
Nowhere in those Gospels is it said that Jesus did not work at all. Jesus does not say "do not work". Jesus is saying that material possession desire leads to choosing one of two worlds. He wishes to indicate that building up a distance to the worldly will make the spirit grow in the soul.
But it is true Jesus was anti-religious, to a point modern sectarians would consider him a disbeliever. He spent a long time undermining religious doctrines. You could consider him a rebel.
What Jesus is teaching is based on logic and not religious tradition. The truly logical person would understand that the body with its driving is what is causing so much trouble in people's lives, and it quite reasonable to judge that doing the opposite of this driving has an effect.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by iscariot on May 10, 2017 9:27:40 GMT
Jesus is many things to many people.
Firstly, Jesus is a collection of letters, a word, which typically refers to a number of various concepts depending on what various people associate with that word.
Curiously, Jesus is called a Word by the various scriptures as well at times, and this was at times taken to mean a number of things.
In mainstream Islam, Jesus is a creation of Allah, like anything else, something brought into existence by Allah's Command or Word, Be. Jesus is currently a concept which many people use in various ways. His life and times and reality is inaccessible to us because we were not present to directly experience any such thing. The Muslim thus leaves conjectures to those who wish to guess, and instead says, Allah knows best what Allah has created or not, and Allah decides because Allah has all the power and is the King. We surrender or leave it to Allah, it is largely irrelevant beyond that. The Qur'an says Isa was a messenger of Allah and servant of Allah who spoke to people regarding Allah and that there is no God but Allah who sends messengers and guides people in various ways.
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Post by Immanuel on May 17, 2017 18:24:55 GMT
While we can always question ourselves what "Allah" is. I perceive God as a collective mind of beings and people such as Jesus became incorporated into that unity due to his exemplary spiritual growth. The platform of existence is one, but that does not say each one is a share and expression of that oneness.
This forum is not "Islamic" though, however all views are accepted and even the so-called baseless claims of other forums are not censored through banning and such. There is no god to care whether one wishes to become an associate with it. This "God" actually is expecting beings to become fit by developing a superior mind. The more the merrier, and the stronger independence of a mind including its sharpness, the more commendable and appreciated by whom are "God".
The object called God or Allah, who is on top of the hierarchy, is just a Pagan invention and works with exactly the same kind of structure instinctive humans lead their world, i.e. that you worship the one which is perceived to be more powerful than yourself and contributes to the welfare or style/glamor of people. That God is not more advanced than a prosperous earthly king.
In some way I approve of Stephen Hawkins "the God delusion" even if that man is not as intelligent as people make him and he does not know the origin of the world and himself, and I do not share his views except some statements he does about the insanity of religion and its illogical claims.
Nothing at all in this world and beyond prevents you from growing in mental strength and the one who denies that is deluded. There is absolutely no one who is jealous about your development and jealousy is a human fallacy and instinct. You can easily become very sharp-minded and there is no fear involved in that. You know "God" created new life and then expects truly living beings too and not mindless ones who do not reach their potential.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by cerulean on May 17, 2017 20:05:26 GMT
In the personification of God, doesn't the Bible beat the Quran ? These religions of Old and their description of God is like a correction of people's pagan beliefs. They did call people to stop worshipping stones and invited them instead to worship a unique God.
The description of who that God is was also simplistic, it had to be simplistic, in my opinion. How do you describe the indescribable to someone who used to worship one or more human-like sculptures ?
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Post by Immanuel on May 18, 2017 6:06:10 GMT
Jesus in the Biblical Gospels describes God very differently from the rest of that collection of scriptures. Unfortunately, even his sayings are badly translated from the original Aramaic he spoke. Of the "Abrahamic" writings the Gospel testimonies depict "God" most properly despite being misunderstood however.
Father, as translated, is meant to be interpreted as Originator, just as Ibn ابن means morphologically "Be With Entity/Integrity (of)", e.g Eysua Ibn Miryem means "Jesus (who) is with integrity (of) Miryem". Similarly with Father Abbu is "Be With Adhesive/cohesion" meaning something like originator if spoken of. It is undeniable that God is our Originator even to a sectarian/Pagan mind and this may be why Jesus chose that terminology. Later sectarian people were too deluded about that Semitic languages do not have a concrete connotation primarily and obsessed with the argument "God did not beget" anyone while the word Father has not to do with biological birth, it is unspecified by word. Anyone can be an Abbu to anyone; it means someone who brings identity/integrity to someone and Abraham is often called Father Abraham in tradition and this is due to the assembly that he raised.
Jesus intentionally chooses to speak of his Origin/Originator (Father) as a tactical choice of words as it can be ambiguous and he does not say "the traditional God does not exist and is an ancient delusion and the world and beyond does not look the way you are used to". There is much to Aramaic and Arabic grammar which makes it possible to talk in an unspecified way so you do not know if you are talking in an uncountable way, i.e. the quantity is not specified, much like infinitive.
The 'High Community' or Heaven is a complicated phenomenon to understand for a human on Earth and it does not involve only one individual but many. It is like Legion, because "we are many". But we all live in One community, one unity of being even if there are unique characters, and God is a Sustaining Foundation, a development incorporating everyone. Those in the 'High Community' exist beyond mass and thus have no physical bodies.
Be well Qarael Amenuel
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