Aviel
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Post by Aviel on May 18, 2017 21:52:55 GMT
How would You prove to an atheist that God is real and that there is an afterlife?
Do people certain of these things, have any kind of evidence?
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Post by iscariot on May 19, 2017 4:07:57 GMT
Absolutely, there are several approaches, the best for an atheist is probably to affirm them and their beliefs and not directly speak of or use the term God because their mind immediately locks on silly anthropomorphic ideas which they rightfully reject.
The approaches are from the angle of Nothing not being able to do anything, the angle of what exists now and what is necessary to make such possible, and from reasoning clearly and precisely from necessity, as well as explaining linguistically how everyone believes in certain things or how there is something considered the greatest power and that that is what should be referred to and not other things or ideas, just "whatever truly is" the Ultimate or Greatest power.
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Post by Immanuel on May 25, 2017 17:53:59 GMT
How would You prove to an atheist that God is real and that there is an afterlife? This is something which is quite hard. An atheist is often determined about their conviction that there is no "god" and human science may appear to rule out any existence of one. It is probably futile to aim at trying to prove there is a "god" and it is better to try to delve into esoteric topics concerning the nature of our existence and very deep life questions, if the subject is even willing to listen to anything you have to say about it. It is virtually impossible to provide any concrete evidence seeing that the spirit world is abstract. However, mental acumen may speak for itself and a person who has developed a deeper consciousness is quite superior in mind and control and can reason on a higher level which may appear very advanced to people. Furthermore, certain people who become elevated spiritually may also gain various abilities which can manipulate the spatial environment of the Earth and therefore provide a sign which could be interpreted as evidence as long as people believe what they experience. The "intoxication" of this world is pretty dousing to the flame/spirit of the soul, so if a person is unable to comprehend it is because they are tainted/corrupted by the world and their thinking ability or mental perception is limited and they can therefore not be witted enough to realize their way of seeing the world is not logical and that it is possible to reason within oneself that there has to be something more to the nature of our existence. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by Aviel on May 26, 2017 18:27:34 GMT
This is something which is quite hard. An atheist is often determined about their conviction that there is no "god" and human science may appear to rule out any existence of one. It is probably futile to aim at trying to prove there is a "god" and it is better to try to delve into esoteric topics concerning the nature of our existence and very deep life questions, if the subject is even willing to listen to anything you have to say about it. It is virtually impossible to provide any concrete evidence seeing that the spirit world is abstract. However, mental acumen may speak for itself and a person who has developed a deeper consciousness is quite superior in mind and control and can reason on a higher level which may appear very advanced to people. Furthermore, certain people who become elevated spiritually may also gain various abilities which can manipulate the spatial environment of the Earth and therefore provide a sign which could be interpreted as evidence as long as people believe what they experience. The "intoxication" of this world is pretty dousing to the flame/spirit of the soul, so if a person is unable to comprehend it is because they are tainted/corrupted by the world and their thinking ability or mental perception is limited and they can therefore not be witted enough to realize their way of seeing the world is not logical and that it is possible to reason within oneself that there has to be something more to the nature of our existence. Be well Qarael Amenuel So there is no proof for after-life? How do we know that it is indeed real? What makes our philosophy any truer than other philosophies? Fx, atheist do not believe in an afterlife, because they know when a body drops dead it drops dead. Soul/spirit is not something that exists for them because it cannot be proven, or can it? Where is the guarantee, so to speak? The majority of the people have a have hard time to believe in such concepts because they see their lives here on earth, and they can see it, smell it touch it, they can sense it is real, so the spiritual talk seems to them no better than any other fairy tale.
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Post by abdunnur on Aug 16, 2017 19:38:58 GMT
You cannot prove any entity god has ever existed, as zero evidence exists to show such a thing, and if you actually examine the foundations of this perceptual reality, a god is utterly refuted in every aspect, gods are delusions of false perceptions, so to attempt to deceive anyone, even a poor defenseless atheist, into believing a self delusional entity existed, one that demands worship and adoration as almost all gods do, is actually a terrible wrong committed.
Better to educate others about what evidence exists within this perceptual reality, that would through reason, demonstrate what really exists.
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 16, 2017 22:28:57 GMT
You cannot prove any entity god has ever existed, as zero evidence exists to show such a thing, and if you actually examine the foundations of this perceptual reality, a god is utterly refuted in every aspect, gods are delusions of false perceptions, so to attempt to deceive anyone, even a poor defenseless atheist, into believing a self delusional entity existed, one that demands worship and adoration as almost all gods do, is actually a terrible wrong committed. Better to educate others about what evidence exists within this perceptual reality, that would through reason, demonstrate what really exists. I wrote in another thread that a supernatural entity is consistent with logic and to not have faith in that is irrational. You will not require physical evidence to be able to theoretically in philosophy prove the existence of a supernatural phenomenon which leads the probability for such one to far outweigh the probability that there is no such phenomenon. If people had any sense, the one who does or did not think there is a supernatural phenomenon, they would be embarrassed "when the elevator reached all the way up". However, you cannot associate your projection of a god with mine. Who said "God" demands worship and adoration? I have not. That as you said is a delusional perception of reality. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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Post by abdunnur on Aug 16, 2017 22:42:36 GMT
Dictionary "God" a supernatural being, who is worshipped as the controller of some part of the universe or some aspect of life in the world or is the personification of some force related adjective divine
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Post by Immanuel on Aug 17, 2017 12:17:31 GMT
Dictionary "God" a supernatural being, who is worshipped as the controller of some part of the universe or some aspect of life in the world or is the personification of some force related adjective divine I think you are too sterile in your approach. What "God" is depends on who is perceiving that phenomenon. What should we use instead of the term God? I have experimented with lots of variations and even avoided the word god altogether many times. Even today I try to tone down on the usage of the word god and always mention something like "the god phenomenon" or similar. I deny that it would have anything to do with primitive worship or anything along the lines of that. In ways, like in East Asian doctrines, we do not put much emphasis on "God" and the joining with "God" is like a symbiosis. "God" is not one voice but many in a unity. Only when I speak of the 'Collective' or 'High Community' I tend to be using the term "God". While this faith is focused on the collective, each individual still has their right to exist as an own being. Be well Qarael Amenuel
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